AMD's GPU Q3 2012 marketshare - 14% declines across the board to NVIDIA

[Firestorm007]

Please, let us all know who the AMD marketers in this thread are. Share their names with us so that we can know who you are calling compensated shills.

By your paranoid schizophrenic logic should we assume the nvidia fanboy zealots who get a stiffy over AMD's financial woes are under nvidia's employ ? I'm just not seeing the logic there as I've yet to see one that would warrant a position much beyond being delegated to.

He can't. Plain and simple. It's so old, that it's sickening. I guess massive personal call outs are allowed now? Anyway, I really hope AMD gets their act together. They're my favorite GPU manufacturer. I would hate to see them go down. They just need to get some fresh blood infused in their HQ. I for one don't take any pleasure as some do in the prospect of their downfall. I just hope things get better.

 

[OCGuy]

He can't. Plain and simple. It's so old, that it's sickening. I guess massive personal call outs are allowed now? Anyway, I really hope AMD gets their act together. They're my favorite GPU manufacturer. I would hate to see them go down. They just need to get some fresh blood infused in their HQ. I for one don't take any pleasure as some do in the prospect of their downfall. I just hope things get better.

There is a reason they are doing another round of layoffs and hired JP Morgan to shop for suitors.

AMD is going to try and split off the GPU division as a more profitable piece that is for sale.

 

[chimaxi83]

Yeah, kinda funny how some people can do/say certain things and get a pass, but others do literally the exact same and get to go on all expenses paid vacations

You dudes should let the AMD marketers crap go already. Not a single one of you can prove ANYTHING. Not a single concrete shred of evidence exists. Oh wait, the ABT circle jerk can bring it all down! Lulz you people are hilariously pitiful.

 

[Ferzerp]

I don't think anyone is accusing anyone of being under AMD employ.

There are people here that actually believe that individuals outside AMD are at fault for AMDs woes. You have people calling others "sheep" etc because they don't purchase AMD product as if it isn't AMD's responsibility to make a product people will want to buy.

You really do have people here placing blame for AMD's utter failure as a company on the consumers (and on their fellow posters). Pointing out the utter insanity of that doesn't require a "pass" to safely do.

 

[SirPauly]

But did they only overtake Nvidia because Nvidia had nothing to offer for 6 months? For how many quarters did they overtake them?

By doing what we both appreciate:
Being pro-active, generation special value for their customers (JC2 cuda water, Batman MSAA, PhysX, AO...), having the fastest GPU over a long(er) time, not lowering prices 3 times a year (makes you look like a cheapo brand), properly supporting enthusiasts (mGPU, 3D) etc.

I missed this post -- don't disagree with it.

 

[Siberian]

Please, let us all know who the AMD marketers in this thread are. Share their names with us so that we can know who you are calling compensated shills.

By your paranoid schizophrenic logic should we assume the nvidia fanboy zealots who get a stiffy over AMD's financial woes are under nvidia's employ ? I'm just not seeing the logic there as I've yet to see one that would warrant a position much beyond being delegated to.

No company would do marketing in a forum.

 

[chimaxi83]

No company would do marketing in a forum.

See: Nvidia Focus Group

 

[AnandThenMan]

Bottom line is AMD management sucks. All the fanboys in the world can't change that. AMD is going under and the fanboys can't stand it. As far as I'm concerned AMD brought all of this on themselves, such is the capitalist way.

It's not really about AMD, it's about wanting competition. If there were 4-5 legit players I wouldn't care or not if AMD went belly up.

No company would do marketing in a forum.

You might want to rethink that.

 

[Keysplayr]

May i remind you

1. You put up a strawman. I wouldnt claim its your fault AMD is going under. You dont have the skills for that, as you say, or anything remotely in that order. Just look at your paycheck.

2. You work for NV. Its perfectly fine for me, you are doing what you are expected to, and probably more. You are part of the value of NV - be proud.

Ok.

 

[Keysplayr]

See: Nvidia Focus Group

Chimax has the hots for me. :wub:

 

[Fx1]

I once bought a 4870 X2 for £335. You can't even buy a 7970 for that price now. Even though the older card die size was probably huge and there were 2 of them and memory prices even higher. The cheap ati cards were serious value for money. Today they are way to expensive and thats why they don't sell

 

[3DVagabond]

The result is predictable and a direct consequence of RR decision to try to protect margins, thereby trying to keep 7 series prices high.

A total disaster of a decision. He underestimated the NV brand value, marketing and sales force.

It look like a beginners fault, because fx, just a few in this forums thinks AMD can charge the same as NV for the same performance. They never had, and for the foreseable future will not be able to.

Keysplayer is a perfect example of the excellent NV marketing and its effect on keeping prices higher than competing AMD cards with the same performance.

AMD pricing in 1H isn't what caused the drop in Q3. It's the release of the lower nVidia sku's that quarter.

 

[Elfear]

I once bought a 4870 X2 for £335. You can't even buy a 7970 for that price now. Even though the older card die size was probably huge and there were 2 of them and memory prices even higher. The cheap ati cards were serious value for money. Today they are way to expensive and thats why they don't sell

Did you mean to post this 10 months ago?

7970 w/ 3 free games - $359.99 AR

680 w/ no games - $442.55 AR

Those were the cheapest I could find on Newegg. Sell the games and the 7970 would end up costing you ~$300, so how is it not the better value for your money?

I sure hope AMD can get new management and pull through this. I've had some great cards from both Nvidia and AMD and I like having a choice.

 

[3DVagabond]

Absolutely, considering your context was 2012 -- these titles will be released in 2012.

My statement. "You miss out on PhysX (Even though there's been exactly one game that uses it released all of this year.)"

You've taken what I said out of context and included games that haven't yet been released.

 

[3DVagabond]

Which is pretty asinine, but you have a ton of AMD fanboys on this board (and the CPU board) that can't admit that AMDs woes are AMDs fault. They blame the "enemy" which is, all the people they wish were spending money with AMD that aren't.

It is sort of like the open source zealots. "Oh, hey guys, use this stuff!" "Well, I don't really want to" "Well, you're just moronic sheeple anyway!"

When people don't want your stuff, change your stuff.

I think most people blame AMD. The last time I recall anyone blaming someone else for their woes was Intel's anti-competitive business practices years ago.

 

[PCboy]

Awwww yeah, $800+ high-end graphic cards here we go!

I had no gripes paying 1200 dollars back in January for two 7970s because it was the fastest at the time. And it's funny because it STILL IS.

If Nvidia can do the same thing like they did with their 580, I'll have no regrets buying their overpriced products. Some of us already do this with Intel's Extreme Edition chips anyway. Just hope they don't fail like they did with their 680... especially after pulling this and not allowing ASUS to release the Mars III. :thumbsdown:

 

[3DVagabond]

There is a reason they are doing another round of layoffs and hired JP Morgan to shop for suitors.

AMD is going to try and split off the GPU division as a more profitable piece that is for sale.

Source? Or is this your opinion?

 

[3DVagabond]

No company would do marketing in a forum.

If I ran AMD, Intel, nVidia, Asus, EVGA, etc..., I would. If done right it's very effective and dirt cheap.

 

[pablo87]

What's happened to ATI is AMD turned it into an engineering operation to support x86 APU and console. Just look at what Dirk, RR and co. have done:

- sold imageon to qualcomm - for peanuts is one thing but getting out of the business altogether???

- changed the name to AMD Radeon, abandoning ATI - even gave up the old ATI url???

- correct me if I'm wrong but when AMD acquired ATI, ATI was still selling their own cards.*

- complete cluster*** on laptop discrete design wins/driver/etc...an implosion really. I think I counted 3 design wins on newegg (as a proxy) vs 50+ for NVIDIA. Its unfathomable to drive a significant business like that into the ground - of course they won't report the detailed numbers of how bad it really is...

Put ATI under independent tutelage and it will shine again but it has to be done soon before its too late...


** I just bought a 7850 oc this summer, happy with it. I like NV too but always found their hardware to be a little on the over power consumption / overheat/ unreliable side. All the fanboism about this and that a lot of it is exaggerated from what I can tell.

 

[onething]

To be fair, AMD driver/software support outside of Windows is horrendous compared to Nvidia. I also prefer Nvidia's drivers in Windows too.

But it all comes down to voting with my wallet. Price/performance wins it for me. Picking up a 7850 for <$180 is a killer deal. But then I saw a 560ti for ~$100 and damn. But if the cards are identical in both performance and price, I default to Nvidia mainly for the reason mentioned above.

 

[ICDP]

To be fair, AMD driver/software support outside of Windows is horrendous compared to Nvidia. I also prefer Nvidia's drivers in Windows too.

But it all comes down to voting with my wallet. Price/performance wins it for me. Picking up a 7850 for <$180 is a killer deal. But then I saw a 560ti for ~$100 and damn. But if the cards are identical in both performance and price, I default to Nvidia mainly for the reason mentioned above.

This is a good way to make judgments. Nothing wrong with preferring one brand over another when both have similar price/perf. At least this way a person is open to trying other brands when they are clearly getting more for their money.

Though IMHO the 7850 1Gb at ~ $150 (current prices) just about edges it for price/perf compared to a $100 560Ti. Especially when OC potential is taken into consideration. On the same PC with max OC on both a 7850 should be around 30% - 50% faster judging by benchmarks/reviews and the games tested.

 

[krumme]

AMD pricing in 1H isn't what caused the drop in Q3. It's the release of the lower nVidia sku's that quarter.

Agree thats the major cause. Add the basic fact tha NV lineup, especially for the mobile segment, is just superior because of perf/watt/size, giving NV the best cards on their hand.

But as Raghu stated the first impression from kepler kept the brand value high, and skewed all later reviews also on the mobile side. The reviewers have been reluctantly to react to the new price/perf reality and adapt their reveiws, and so for the consumers. The first impression is more or less stucked.

All is influenced by the prior decision to try to protect margins. And the effect will be there for q4 as well.

RR decision to change AMD historic pricing strategy to always to undercut NV was not founded in other than his own asumptions. AMD brand is value for your money. When he tried to protect the margins he hurted AMD brandvalue in the long run for a few monts of high margin.

 

[ICDP]

Agree thats the major cause. Add the basic fact tha NV lineup, especially for the mobile segment, is just superior because of perf/watt/size, giving NV the best cards on their hand.

For the mobile segment this statement is true. For the mid range discrete segment it is not a valid reason for implying superiority. It isn't like the AMD cards suck lots of power, yet many here imply a 30-50 Watt delta is massive.

On price perf alone AMD are superior to Nvidia right now.

7850 > 650 Ti
7870 > 660
7950 > 660 Ti
7970 > 670 & 680
7970 GE > 680

Having said that Nvidia do have a better market image so when it comes to price/perf being better for AMD it need to be a substantial difference to make people forget "brand" image. I think AMD are almost there with their GPUs at the minute. Their new drivers and price are getting plenty of good press on the hardware sites.

 

[Jacky60]

No company would do marketing in a forum.

What? Are you five years old? Forums like this are the perfect hunting ground for marketeers, word of mouth is like gold in most industries because of trickle down-opinion formers and status brokers are those enthusiasts that know the most. Infiltration of such arenas is a shrewd if basic marketing ploy.

 

[Jacky60]

Awwww yeah, $800+ high-end graphic cards here we go!

I had no gripes paying 1200 dollars back in January for two 7970s because it was the fastest at the time. And it's funny because it STILL IS.

If Nvidia can do the same thing like they did with their 580, I'll have no regrets buying their overpriced products. Some of us already do this with Intel's Extreme Edition chips anyway. Just hope they don't fail like they did with their 680... especially after pulling this and not allowing ASUS to release the Mars III. :thumbsdown:

Problem is you need some sort of competition in any market, your 7970's were priced that high because they had no direct competition at the time. Prices would have been higher if Nvidia didn't exist and came down quickly after Nvidia launched. When there's no competition any right minded manufacturer will charge as much as they can possibly sell for which in tech is quite a lot.