AMD's PileDriver Possibly Cancelled!! (Rumor)

[guskline]

Almost sure Steamroller is NOT AM3+ socket. I think that was mentioned quite some time ago. PileDriver appears to be the last "hurrah" for the AM3+ socket.

I stand corrected. Its "Excavator" that likely will be a new socket. Supposedly Steamroller will be a socket AM3+ built on a 28nm, not 32nm, process. From the AMD discussion on Steamroller, PileDriver appears "lost" in the discussion.

 

[Homeles]

Almost sure Steamroller is NOT AM3+ socket. I think that was mentioned quite some time ago. PileDriver appears to be the last "hurrah" for the AM3+ socket.

And it's about damn time, too.

 

[Ajay]

I just found something over at GF. It appears that they have a 28nm HPP process that would be better suited to Steamrollers: http://globalfoundries.com/technology/28nm.aspx

It's not SHP, but maybe, with a few tweaks, it could fit the bill. You folks with a semicon background will need to let me know it is possible to get an HPP process with the specs in the accompanying data chart to perform close to an SHP process.

Thanks!

 

[guskline]

I stand corrected.
It appears Steamroller will likely be a socket AM3+ CPU built on a smaller chip 28nm vs Bulldozer's 32nm but fit the same socket.In reading Anand's review I sure did not get the impression that PileDriver will be a big improvement.

 

[NostaSeronx]

@Ajay 28-nm HPP is for networking not high performance computing.

 

[Ajay]

@Ajay 28-nm HPP is for networking not high performance computing.

Thanks NS, finally a chart with 28nm SHP on it. Now Steamroller will likely steam roll Phenom IIs performance wise and @ a decent TDP**, so AMD guys can upgrade. Probably won't be very tempting to those who go Intel for max performance.


** Assuming GF doesn't totally flub it's 28nm SHP node.

 

[MLSCrow]

This is completely illogical.

If AMD's ready to go public with their Steamroller details, why shouldn't they? Just because you have an apparent selfish need for Vishera to launch prior to talking about Steamroller does not mean that everybody else that is curious about Steamroller, like myself, should have to wait to hear about it.

Piledriver's already out in the form of Trinity APUs. But no, a very small percentage of the desktop market is somehow more important than AMD's mainstream products. You seem to be suffering from entitlement issues.

Honestly and truthfully, the only thing that is illogical here is your train of thought. Seriously. For some strange and unknown reason, you assume that I have a problem with AMD talking about Steamroller before they launch desktop Piledriver (which isn't the same as Trinity by the way, performance will be different). Why you assume this, Is beyond reason. This topic is about the rumor that AMD is canceling Vishera. I simply provided facts and my stance on the rumor. I have no "selfish need" for anything. I cannot even fathom how you came to such a conclusion. I also never said a single thing about how any particular desktop market is more important than their mainstream products. Where you got all of that from is what is illogical, unfortunately for you.

I stand by what I said. Please, don't corrupt the thread with trolling.

 

[NostaSeronx]

They did talk about Piledriver this year...

FAD2012 tells us Vishera uses "Piledriver" cores

 

[MLSCrow]

Nosta, yes, AMD talked a "bit" about Piledriver for Trinity, but not much, if anything about Piledriver+ for Vishera. We're all waiting for news, release dates, performance figures, etc. Yes, we can "speculate" based off of Trinity benchmarks, but the fact of the matter is that Trinity is not the same thing as Vishera and does not use the exact same cores. Vishera will have tweaks and additions in comparison to the Trinity Piledriver cores. What most of us AM3+ users are looking for is information on Vishera specifically.

However, as you can see, AMD is focusing way more on Steamroller than they ever had on Vishera. I personally assume, by this skip over of Vishera advertising, that Vishera performance won't be all that great. Steamroller is truly the next great thing from AMD, Piledriver is just a touch up, mostly in terms of power utilization, of the original Bulldozer arch. QH'sWI.

 

[MLSCrow]

I stand corrected.
It appears Steamroller will likely be a socket AM3+ CPU built on a smaller chip 28nm vs Bulldozer's 32nm but fit the same socket.In reading Anand's review I sure did not get the impression that PileDriver will be a big improvement.

What source of information do you have that leads you to believe that Steamroller will be AM3+?

 

[NostaSeronx]

However, as you can see, AMD is focusing way more on Steamroller than they ever had on Vishera. I personally assume, by this skip over of Vishera advertising, that Vishera performance won't be all that great. Steamroller is truly the next great thing from AMD, Piledriver is just a touch up, mostly in terms of power utilization, of the original Bulldozer arch. QH'sWI.

I don't think they can market Vishera the same way as Zambezi. Since you know the Zambezi guys which were the guys that were going to market Vishera were fired.

1. AMD would rather market Trinity as Piledriver rather than Vishera as Piledriver.

2. If you are for HSA/APU/C++ AMP/GPU Compute are you going to get Trinity(Piledriver) or Vishera(Piledriver)?

3. FX Next Platform = Vishera
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...esil-Bulldozer-mimarisi-icin-ilk-detaylar.htm
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/haber/29507/amd2ndbulld_2a_dh_fx57.jpg

^-- similar slide to this one
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8985/slide12.png

 

[MLSCrow]

Even if they could market Vishera the same way they did BD, it would be a bad idea. I think they're doing the right thing by advertising Steamroller instead.

As for HSA...I know what you mean, because I personally am all for HSA, but I still wouldn't get Trinity. I'd rather get Vishera and a discrete gpu and wait for Steamroller.

I'm still curious about the source of the AM3+ socket for SR that was posted above.

 

[NTMBK]

Wait, 14% improvement over Stars? Well, that's rather better than I thought.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Wait, 14% improvement over Stars? Well, that's rather better than I thought.

It was 26% before Husky = Stars