AMD's Socket 754 to Outlast Socket 939

[chinkgai]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1554

 

[ashishmishra]

I think this news is pretty sad, I planned to snag one Athlon X2 4600+ on the cheap when AM2 is out on full force but with that announcement I believe will be short supply and high prices. I'm still hoping for the best. What do you guys think?

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: ashishmishra
I think this news is pretty sad, I planned to snag one Athlon X2 4600+ on the cheap when AM2 is out on full force but with that announcement I believe will be short supply and high prices. I'm still hoping for the best. What do you guys think?

X2 on Socket 939 will continue shipping until Q2 2007. You still have some time. Think we'll see any .65 X2's in a s939?

 

[coolpurplefan]

This makes me horny. I`m so happy I got an Athlon 64 3700+ and an Asus K8N4-E Deluxe with PCI-E. Hehehehe.
No really, I was thinking later on perhaps I will build another machine just for testing things and file sharing etc. But, apparently, they stopped making the 64 3700+. However, they`re coming out with Sempron 3700+ later. Strange but true.:Q

 

[batmang]

its prolly because 754's are cheaper and are selling like m4d.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Originally posted by: batmang
its prolly because 754's are cheaper and are selling like m4d.

maybe OEM companies such as gateway, hp, systemax are still big on demand for th skt 754's. I've seen many good computers they're selling go for as little as $299 canadian

 

[Zap]

Uh, April Fool's joke?

I would like to see socket 754 outlast 939 though. BWAHAHAHAHA! A good joke indeed, on those who keep saying "socket 754 is dead."

 

[furballi]

754 is much cheaper, and is only 8% slower at the same CPU core speed. My 754 ECS NF3/Sempron 3100 combo costs $80. The CPU is overclocked to 2.44GHz. The cheapest A64 3000 with a 939MB goes for $160. Double the price for an 8% bump in speed. AMD won't lower prices on A64s. The goal is to force hign-end users to switch to socket 940.

I see this move many months ago. That's why most of my builds are 754 boards.

 

[dguy6789]

This was expected and I thought it was common sense. AMD has stated before that socket 754 will remain the socket for the mainstream value user while the higher end sockets will change multiple times.

 

[AliasX]

Screw it. Socket 939 works fine and is newer, therefore I like it. Anyone can say anything they want about it, but in the end, ITS A FRICKEN SOCKET YOU PUT YOUR PROCESSOR IN!!! AS LONG AS THE MOTHERBOARD HAS ZERO INSERTION FORCE TECHNOLOGY, WHO GIVES A DAMN.

I also got a dual core, so 939 for me.

 

[furballi]

Gotta do your homework before you soak a lot of $ into a PC.

 

[Madwand1]

I don't think it's a big deal in the end. For a non-marginal CPU upgrade, you'd probably want a MB upgrade at the same time (for some other features), and the new MB is usually fair bit cheaper than the CPU. I don't recall many CPU upgrades without MB upgrades immediately or shortly thereafter in my own history, but then again I don't upgrade the CPU every couple of months.

Of course, greater compatibility would have been nicer, and forced upgrading sucks, but it's business as usual.

 

[sp1nfer]

Originally posted by: furballi
754 is much cheaper, and is only 8% slower at the same CPU core speed. My 754 ECS NF3/Sempron 3100 combo costs $80. The CPU is overclocked to 2.44GHz. The cheapest A64 3000 with a 939MB goes for $160. Double the price for an 8% bump in speed. AMD won't lower prices on A64s. The goal is to force hign-end users to switch to socket 940.

I see this move many months ago. That's why most of my builds are 754 boards.

I really, really, really doubt that you knew that skt 754 would live to outlast 754 . It's not about the performance factor that you loose with skt 754, nor the price (like any sane company would choose an older product as their main sales cow), it's about skt 754 being in almost everything (mobile Turions in laptops, Semprons for mainstream and not surprisingly I would guess most of the workplaces that chose AMD)

AMD is trying to promote the change to AM2, raising prices on s939, and keeping skt 754 for a tad bit longer for the mainstream.

 

[hans007]

socket 754 is barely slower than 939. it actually made sense that amd originally wasn't even going to do dual channel, but it was such a marketing thing because of intel having it since dual channel is more important for netburst because of the long pipes and the design meant for streaming media / encoding etc. that basically was what netburst was made for.


754 is probably even less than 8% slower. it is just that if you get say a socket 754 3700+ vs a 939 one, the 754 will be an ancient newcastle core without all the core improvements in the newest E step 939s.

i would be willing to be a socket 754 desktop replacement mobile chip with the latest core stepping would be withing 4-5 % of a current 939 chip.

 

[furballi]

No crystal ball here. Just common sense. Small performance hit at 1/2 price. 754 is the clear winner. A Sempron at +2.2GHz core speed will run any high-end game today. The GPU is the bottle neck.

The big PC vendors drive AMD's bottom line. These vendors know that customers look for A64s because it's a step above Semprons. That's why they asked AMD for A64 processors with 754 pins. Course the performance is on par with the 754 Semprons due to single channel memory, but the average Jane/Joe doesn't know this. They only see the A64 logo on the box!

If the 754 CPU has the latest refinement found in the 939 (754 Palermo vs 939 Venice), then the speed advantage of 939 platform would be limited to dual channel (perhaps 50 to 70MHz in CPU core speed).

Another argument for an AMD desktop with 754 socket is the NF3 250 chipset. Unlike the NF4 chip, NF3 can be passively cooled. No noise, no fear of fan failure. As for SATAII support in NF4, that's just marketing to steal more $ from noobs. Gamers looking for PCI-E support should checkout the passively-cooled GeForce 6100/nForce 410 solution from NVIDIA.

 

[IdaGno]

Originally posted by: furballi
No crystal ball here. Just common sense. Small performance hit at 1/2 price. 754 is the clear winner. A Sempron at +2.2GHz core speed will run any high-end game today. The GPU is the bottle neck.

+++

 

[Farmer]

Who gives a damn? Upgraders who want to switch CPUs want a long-term, adaptable platform. There hasn't really been one since Socket 478 and Socket A (and before that, Slot 1).

 

[Madwand1]

Looks like AM2 might not have much of a shelf life either. If you care, it might be time to bail to Intel (hoping that they're going to be better) or to a server/commercial socket.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30617

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Madwand1
Looks like AM2 might not have much of a shelf life either. If you care, it might be time to bail to Intel (hoping that they're going to be better) or to a server/commercial socket.

Intel has kept the same socket (LGA 775) but they've played musical chipsets, so early adoptors of LGA 775 still can't use the newest/greatest CPUs.

Originally posted by: furballi
No crystal ball here. Just common sense. Small performance hit at 1/2 price. 754 is the clear winner.

That's only the Fry's specials. In the normal retail market socket 754 "makes sense" only where prices do not overlap, basically if you can afford socket 939, go for it. If you can't quite, socket 754 is perfect.