america, why the no vacation?

[Paratus]

God forbid that we place some slight value on people's quality of life.

Didn't you get the memo.
Freedom is only freedom from the government. If your employer wants to limit your speech, religion, gun ownership, basically anything that's fine because it not government.

 

[ichy]

Didn't you get the memo.
Freedom is only freedom from the government. If your employer wants to limit your speech, religion, gun ownership, basically anything that's fine because it not government.

Not sure if serious or sarcastic...

 

[soulcougher73]

Mostly because america is dumb. Population too stupid to know there is a better world out there.

 

[Paratus]

Not sure if serious or sarcastic...

Check your meter.

 

[CPA]

I get 5 weeks.

If your friend doesn't like it maybe he shouldn't have accepted the job. hmmm...what a concept.

 

[Vic Vega]

I'm a salaried employee in big bad evil America working for a big bad evil Fortune 100 company.

I get 15 days "standard" vacation.

I get 10 US Federal holidays off.

I get the day after Thanksgiving off.

I get 3 "floating" Holidays.

If work a day I would normally be off (this includes travel) I get 2 comp days.

I can take a leave of absence if I need to up to 90 days.

I have to agree with CPA - if you don't like the compensation find another job. Someone who hired on the exact same time I did gets 20 days standard vacation simply because he asked for it - I could have done the same. I'm not bitter about it. You have to make your own way.

 

[amyklai]

Over here (Germany) a normal job will give you 6 weeks of vacation and on top of that (in my state) 12 public holidays per year.

How anybody could accept a a job that offers no vacations at all is beyond me.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Why should the government dictate how a business is run.

They interfere enough with other regulations and paperwork.

Vacation is a benefit that the company provides to the employee

Says a guy who gets vacation time and pay.

 

[Moonbeam]

Over here (Germany) a normal job will give you 6 weeks of vacation and on top of that (in my state) 12 public holidays per year.

How anybody could accept a a job that offers no vacations at all is beyond me.

Yes, well, when you figure that out the next step will be to figure out how the fucking morons who are proud of the fact they take no vacation manage to fancy themselves superior to Germans. The level of titanic imbecility to which so many Americans strive today is quite unbelievable and must provide a tremendous amount of amusement to healthier minds. You will doubtlessly have noted too, that this workaholic disease is a right wing phenomenon promoted by the 1% to insure an infinite supply of bot labor on the cheap.

Once upon a time in America, not so many years ago, a single working person with vacation could support a great big family. Americans are full of hate and especially for themselves. We have created this national prison because we know Bubba is going to fuck us in the ass. When you look at America you are looking at a nation full of millions and millions of dunces, programmed brain dead fucks who in their brain dead state fuck everybody else around them. Fortunately we are dying as a world power as a result and will be doing less fucking of others in the future. Mentally ill cultures don't last.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I'm a salaried employee in big bad evil America working for a big bad evil Fortune 100 company.

I get 15 days "standard" vacation.

I get 10 US Federal holidays off.

I get the day after Thanksgiving off.

I get 3 "floating" Holidays.

If work a day I would normally be off (this includes travel) I get 2 comp days.

I can take a leave of absence if I need to up to 90 days.

I have to agree with CPA - if you don't like the compensation find another job. Someone who hired on the exact same time I did gets 20 days standard vacation simply because he asked for it - I could have done the same. I'm not bitter about it. You have to make your own way.

I get 30 days a years leave, national holidays, several "family days" (usually padding out bigger holidays), comp time, and unlimited sick leave. So? Most people in most hiring situations don't have any ability to bargain.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Yes, well, when you figure that out the next step will be to figure out how the fucking morons who are proud of the fact they take no vacation manage to fancy themselves superior to Germans. The level of titanic imbecility to which so many Americans strive today is quite unbelievable and must provide a tremendous amount of amusement to healthier minds. You will doubtlessly have noted too, that this workaholic disease is a right wing phenomenon promoted by the 1% to insure an infinite supply of bot labor on the cheap.

Once upon a time in America, not so many years ago, a single working person with vacation could support a great big family. Americans are full of hate and especially for themselves. We have created this national prison because we know Bubba is going to fuck us in the ass. When you look at America you are looking at a nation full of millions and millions of dunces, programmed brain dead fucks who in their brain dead state fuck everybody else around them. Fortunately we are dying as a world power as a result and will be doing less fucking of others in the future. Mentally ill cultures don't last.

Quoted for 100% truth.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Didn't you get the memo.
Freedom is only freedom from the government. If your employer wants to limit your speech, religion, gun ownership, basically anything that's fine because it not government.

In other words, freedom is "freedom on paper, not necessarily in actuality." Freedom is a set of laws and rules that says "you are free" even if in reality you are enslaved.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I have to agree with CPA - if you don't like the compensation find another job.

Are you referring to the jobs that grow abundantly on the magic jobs tree?

 

[Paratus]

Are you referring to the jobs that grow abundantly on the magic jobs tree?

That's on the backside of the memo. If you don't like your employer find another job. If you can't that's your responsibility. Anyone can be CEO therefore everyone can be CEO so don't whine.

Also this only applies to others because "I" know that "I'm" indispensable and if my company screws me over it's their fault. If they screw you over it's your fault.

 

[highland145]

That's on the backside of the memo. If you don't like your employer find another job. If you can't that's your responsibility. Anyone can be CEO therefore everyone can be CEO so don't whine.

Also this only applies to others because "I" know that "I'm" indispensable and if my company screws me over it's their fault. If they screw you over it's your fault.

Partner at my daycare worked for her previous employer for 17 years. Got bought out and the new corp said, "Have a nice life, we have our own directors."

Same for a guy that I know in consumer finance, 20+ years at the same company. He went from supervision back to managing, ie. big pay cut.

Could have happened to me. I've got a lot of respect for the guy that I used to work for, always treated me fairly and did what he said he would. One day, his youngest son (worked in the home office) said, "Something happens to Dad and we're selling everything." eff that, 50+ years old looking for a manager's position? No thanks.

 

[spittledip]

Find a job elsewhere. Life is too short to be a slave.

Yes, definitely. However, tell your friend to keep that job while looking b/c it is easier to get a job if you have one already, or so I have been told.

 

[1prophet]

That's on the backside of the memo. If you don't like your employer find another job. If you can't that's your responsibility. Anyone can be CEO therefore everyone can be CEO so don't whine.

Also this only applies to others because "I" know that "I'm" indispensable and if my company screws me over it's their fault. If they screw you over it's your fault.

But only a few can become CEO's with golden parachutes and continually get bonuses and jobs no matter how much they failed before thanks to the corporate buddy system.

Even as it blamed unions for the bankruptcy and the 18,500 job losses that will ensue, Hostess already gave its executives pay raises earlier this year. The salary of the company’s chief executive tripled from $750,000 to roughly $2.5 million, and at least nine other executives received pay raises ranging from $90,000 to $400,000. Those raises came just months after Hostess originally filed for bankruptcy earlier this year.

Hostess is hardly the only company that has compensated its executives during bankruptcy or times of financial instability. Failed financial firm MF Global gave CEO Jon Corzine an $8 million pay package after it filed for bankruptcy, and Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit received a $6.7 million pay package when he resigned, despite Citi’s 88 percent profit loss during his final quarter. And Hostess isn’t alone in giving executives massive raises while asking for concessions from union workers either: construction giant Caterpillar rewarded its CEO with a 60 percent pay raise, paying him $17 million, even as it forced a pay and pension freeze on its union workforce.

We all know they don't care about the employees or their country, but their devout followers who still drink the corporate Kool aid think they do what is best for the shareholders and company.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

That's on the backside of the memo. If you don't like your employer find another job. If you can't that's your responsibility. Anyone can be CEO therefore everyone can be CEO so don't whine.

The point is that other first world industrialized nations allow for multiple weeks of vacation and their economies and standard of living have not collapsed. You have to wonder how it is that they can do it and we cannot and whether the reasons might have something to do with the nature of our nation's economic policies and ideology.

 

[PrinceofWands]

While I would certainly like to see mandatory vacations to match other nations (after all, the PURPOSE of government is to ensure quality of life for all its citizens), the truth is that all he has to do is walk and find a new job when he wants to take one. That's certainly what I'd do. Take the paycheck while you look for a real job.

 

[Farang]

While I would certainly like to see mandatory vacations to match other nations (after all, the PURPOSE of government is to ensure quality of life for all its citizens), the truth is that all he has to do is walk and find a new job when he wants to take one. That's certainly what I'd do. Take the paycheck while you look for a real job.

The problem is it becomes a cultural standard to have 2 weeks vacation and so there are a limited number of jobs that provide more than that. The only job I ever had that did was a sales job and nobody actually took their allotted vacation because the metrics you were required to meet didn't allow for it, so it was sort of a sham.

I mean you look at that wikipedia list and its pretty pathetic we're the only country with no standards. The problem though is that corporations own our government

 

[Jeff7]

In order to get 4 weeks/year where I work, you need to have been with the company for at least 15 years.
They do at least bump you up to 2 weeks in your 2nd year with the company. Some others won't even do that for several more years.
But they do also hand out extra vacation hours here and there for good performance, or holidays, or sometimes "just because."

tell him to stop working at mcdonalds

seriously, company can set whatever policy it wants. if it can't find or keep quality people, they'll eventually change their policy or disapear.

Or you get the other effect:
"Other companies are reducing their benefits packages down to utter crap. Now we can cut benefits too!"

Because the average Americans are morons compared to your average European. Hell, some of our most patriotic members will call the French and Italians scum and think how dare they get 5 weeks vacation, or how dare they get universal healthcare!. How will their businesses ever make the record profits like they do here with that thinking and afford to pay their CEO over 200x the salary of the average employee's wages!

It's a fascinating mindset indeed.

American's have been brainwashed in this country to slowly become legalized slaves. They have forgotten what it is like to live, aside from their routine go out to the bar every weekend or stay in some shitty all-inclusive hotel vacation where you don't even leave the resort.
...

And don't forget to take out as many loans as you can to buy whatever you want, so that you can be in debt your entire life.

Why do people think they should be able to take more than a week off at a time? Vacation is definitely necessary, but if you are in a position where taking 2+weeks off has no effect on the company- you are not critical, sorry.

"I'm planning to take 2 weeks off next month. We need to ensure that everything's taken care of so that can happen."

Even this is a reflection of that mindset: Effectively saying that if you are even able to take a vacation, you're basically a worthless employee.

Over here (Germany) a normal job will give you 6 weeks of vacation and on top of that (in my state) 12 public holidays per year.

How anybody could accept a a job that offers no vacations at all is beyond me.

You're also in a country that believes in things like maintaining a strong manufacturing sector...something that's quite alien in this country, unfortunately. Or any manner of concern for a massive trade deficit, for that matter.
"You mean that we can get this thing made by near-slave-labor in China for 10% of what it costs us now? I can't see that there'd be any downside to that. Let's do it!"

"They're doing layoffs because we don't build anything here anymore? How did that happen?"

But only a few can become CEO's with golden parachutes and continually get bonuses and jobs no matter how much they failed before thanks to the corporate buddy system.

Even as it blamed unions for the bankruptcy and the 18,500 job losses that will ensue, Hostess already gave its executives pay raises earlier this year. The salary of the company’s chief executive tripled from $750,000 to roughly $2.5 million, and at least nine other executives received pay raises ranging from $90,000 to $400,000. Those raises came just months after Hostess originally filed for bankruptcy earlier this year.

Hostess is hardly the only company that has compensated its executives during bankruptcy or times of financial instability. Failed financial firm MF Global gave CEO Jon Corzine an $8 million pay package after it filed for bankruptcy, and Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit received a $6.7 million pay package when he resigned, despite Citi’s 88 percent profit loss during his final quarter. And Hostess isn’t alone in giving executives massive raises while asking for concessions from union workers either: construction giant Caterpillar rewarded its CEO with a 60 percent pay raise, paying him $17 million, even as it forced a pay and pension freeze on its union workforce.

We all know they don't care about the employees or their country, but their devout followers who still drink the corporate Kool aid think they do what is best for the shareholders and company.

Unless anyone can explain why this sort of thing is a necessity for these companies, this kind of thing just reeks of severe corruption.
- Propose a wage and pension freeze for workers.
- This substantially reduces the company's projected costs.
- You get a pay increase for reducing costs.
- You occasionally see shadows of memories of what it was like back when you thought about workers as more than annoying expenses in a spreadsheet.

The problem is it becomes a cultural standard to have 2 weeks vacation and so there are a limited number of jobs that provide more than that. The only job I ever had that did was a sales job and nobody actually took their allotted vacation because the metrics you were required to meet didn't allow for it, so it was sort of a sham.

I mean you look at that wikipedia list and its pretty pathetic we're the only country with no standards. The problem though is that corporations own our government

Money is speech now.
If you'd like to write your Congressman about a problem or concern, be sure to include cash. If you want your speech to matter, you'll probably need a larger envelope to ensure that you can fit in an adequate amount of "speech," or else you'll need to use bigger denominations.
(Remember, it's not bribery. It's just money that accidentally got placed in an envelope for unspecified reasons.)

 

[GTaudiophile]

Current vacation day count for 2013: 55 (Does not include holidays)
Approx. sick days accrued: 130


Work to live. Don't live to work.

 

[Brovane]

I have a total of 31 days of PTO time each year including sick days/vacation and floating holidays. It kind of all gets lumped in together. They are very strict with making sure you use all your PTO time each year. You can however cash out up to 40-hours each year which can help because you get the check around the holidays. Been at my current employer 10+ years.

 

[CitizenKain]

Over here (Germany) a normal job will give you 6 weeks of vacation and on top of that (in my state) 12 public holidays per year.

How anybody could accept a a job that offers no vacations at all is beyond me.

In America, the loyal worker learns to the love the lash.

A lot of Americans bought into the belief that only through never ending hard work can life be rewarding. So people will give up their life and family time to spend working for a company that can and will cut their job without recourse. The big mystery is why that has never ended with a couple of C levels hanging from a streetlamp outside the building.

 

[ivwshane]

In America, the loyal worker learns to the love the lash.

A lot of Americans bought into the belief that only through never ending hard work can life be rewarding. So people will give up their life and family time to spend working for a company that can and will cut their job without recourse. The big mystery is why that has never ended with a couple of C levels hanging from a streetlamp outside the building.

I used to be of the opinion that I will work hard and save a lot of money and retire and do all the things I've always wanted to do. Then I realized that by the time I retire (assuming they don't bump up the retirement age) I'll be too old to do most things I want to do and I'll end up with a lot of money and not a lot of time.

What's the point of working hard to only hope that I can enjoy my life when I'm old.

Not any more.