america, why the no vacation?

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Farang

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In America, the loyal worker learns to the love the lash.

A lot of Americans bought into the belief that only through never ending hard work can life be rewarding. So people will give up their life and family time to spend working for a company that can and will cut their job without recourse. The big mystery is why that has never ended with a couple of C levels hanging from a streetlamp outside the building.

In America you are what you do for work. For most people that is working for a company, it gives them an identity and a title and a sense of legitimacy. Bob is "Supply Chain Analyst" for "Telmax International" and that is important to Bob because it makes him look successful to his family and friends.

Other cultures care a lot less about what you do for work or who you do it for.
 

Paratus

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What's funny about this is the constant reminders from a certain corner of the body politic that all Americans are lazy and want free handouts from the government.

Wonder why that is? :Hmm:
 

mistercrabby

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You gotta look at all the benefits of a job, not just the pay. Education support, healthcare and promotion potential can be more important than pay or vacation. It all comes down to what you need.

I've worked for companies that required employees to take their vacation. Some companies, especially smaller ones, can't afford vacation time.
 

Chaotic42

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Wow, some of you guys get some serious time off. I think I get 11 or 12 days of vacation per year plus 15 days of holidays and sick leave. Not great, but not that bad, either. I haven't had a vacation in a while. I was going to take one this year, but I was out with the flu and so I don't know how that will play out with my time.
 

wirednuts

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its mind boggling anyone that thinks its ok to have no vacation- for any tier of job.

sure, if you own a small business and never want to take time off, that's your thing. but if you expect your $15/hr employees to feel the same way, that's insane.

that's where corporate America has a giant disconnect. they expect you to have the same or more responsibilities then your bosses for a fraction of the price. in America, the more you get paid the less work you have to do.
 

DCal430

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I accrue 23 days a year of PTO (sick and vacation in one). , and it does carry over, plus we get 2 PTO days a year that does not carry over, and I get 10 Holidays a year.

I know people in the private industry and most have similar or even more than me.

I have the option of changing to 17 vacation and 12 sick a year and have them separate, but I chose to go with 23 combined instead.
 
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Paul98

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its mind boggling anyone that thinks its ok to have no vacation- for any tier of job.

sure, if you own a small business and never want to take time off, that's your thing. but if you expect your $15/hr employees to feel the same way, that's insane.

that's where corporate America has a giant disconnect. they expect you to have the same or more responsibilities then your bosses for a fraction of the price. in America, the more you get paid the less work you have to do.

This
 

OverVolt

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Because America is actually in a recession it just doesn't show in official numbers.

After 1929 you got fired for taking a leak. We are headed that direction. It's obvious isn't it?

There is encroachment on worker comfort, it used to be if you took 35minutes on your 30minute lunch because you hit traffic getting lunch no big deal, now if you take 35minutes for your 30 minute break you are likely to get an infraction or something, rack up 3 and you are fired even if you are the best employee in the business. You know it lol.

Everyone's vacation time is getting turned over to PTO time. So that it does not rollover and you can't rack up nice time for a good vacation.

The way that they cut down the size of things in the grocery store reminds me of the bakers dozen. The economy was under similar circumstances, rising costs and dropping profits for food processors, like bakers. So it was common to get shorted an egg out of a dozen. "They forgot."

So they made it punishable by amputation to be short by one egg. If you ordered 12 eggs and got 11, the shop owner could be punished. And the bakers dozen (13) was born, just to be extra safe, heh.

Its not like this is the first time in history the economy has gone full retard.
 
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DCal430

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Because America is actually in a recession it just doesn't show in official numbers.

After 1929 you got fired for taking a leak. We are headed that direction. It's obvious isn't it?

There is encroachment on worker comfort, it used to be if you took 35minutes on your 30minute lunch because you hit traffic getting lunch no big deal, now if you take 35minutes for your 30 minute break you are likely to get an infraction or something, rack up 3 and you are fired even if you are the best employee in the business. You know it lol.

Everyone's vacation time is getting turned over to PTO time. So that it does not rollover and you can't rack up nice time for a good vacation.

The way that they cut down the size of things in the grocery store reminds me of the bakers dozen. The economy was under similar circumstances, rising costs and dropping profits for food processors, like bakers. So it was common to get shorted an egg out of a dozen. "They forgot."

So they made it punishable by amputation to be short by one egg. If you ordered 12 eggs and got 11, the shop owner could be put to death. And the bakers dozen (13) was born, just to be extra safe, heh.

Its not like this is the first time in history the economy has gone full retard.

Most states including California require PTO to never expire and for it to rollover.
 

frostedflakes

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its mind boggling anyone that thinks its ok to have no vacation- for any tier of job.

sure, if you own a small business and never want to take time off, that's your thing. but if you expect your $15/hr employees to feel the same way, that's insane.

that's where corporate America has a giant disconnect. they expect you to have the same or more responsibilities then your bosses for a fraction of the price. in America, the more you get paid the less work you have to do.
Why are people conflating PTO with unpaid vacation?

Even when I worked in food service and jobs like that it wasn't difficult to get time off, employers were pretty flexible. It's not like you can't take vacation. They just didn't pay you not to work, which is understandable IMO... Why pay a person when they're not doing work and making you money if you're not required to by the government or market forces?

Pretty standard for blue and white collar workers to get PTO, though. They offer it not because a government official requires them to but because they have to compete with other employers who are also trying to attract the best employees by offering them good benefits.
 

Midwayman

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The culture in the US surrounding vacations is regrettable. Acting like 2 weeks is generous really sucks. Two weeks means you really get one week off as usually you have to spend a couple days here and there for other things when you need to be home, etc. One week of vacation isn't enough to be properly rested. You've barely begun to unwind before you have to go back to work. Two weeks is the minimum of time to take off and feel like you've really had a vacation. Then there is always the pressure not to take chunks of time off because you might find yourself replaced, or take time off at all. Sometimes its enough to make me think about moving overseas where the work life balance is a little more sane. Luckily I've managed to stay in jobs where these factors are a huge issue. However It is a horrible climate in general.
 

highland145

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I hate this remark. yes, hate. you are self employed, you make all the profits in the company and you CAN take off whenever you want.
True. I can close the doors any moment I want. And my income goes to zero when I'm not here. Add to that that I'm on a daily schedule. A certain number of things need to be taken care of every day. It's not a lot per day but it is every day.

Well, I do get weekends off...100+ days per year.
 

onlyCOpunk

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Yuck America!

We get 4 weeks a year and I make sure to take every single day, and then some.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Why should the government dictate how a business is run.

They interfere enough with other regulations and paperwork.

Vacation is a benefit that the company provides to the employee

Yes, and if the employer doesn't offer that modicum of human comfort (because he's not forced to do so by a higher authority - like a government!), what's the employee to do? He or she will work until they either drop dead or snap and come to work with an AK-47.

Not to mention the fact that they'll have no life outside the office, the family will be dysfunctional, everyone will be hooked to all kinds of legal drugs...

But hey, that's the American way, right? Kick your kids out of the house when they're 18, work like a dog, go to church, pay your taxes, move to a nursing home where nobody will come and visit you, and then die alone, with the satisfaction of a life well-lived (according to what the pundits and the social myths say).
 
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Munky

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Because the average Americans are morons compared to your average European. Hell, some of our most patriotic members will call the French and Italians scum and think how dare they get 5 weeks vacation, or how dare they get universal healthcare!. How will their businesses ever make the record profits like they do here with that thinking and afford to pay their CEO over 200x the salary of the average employee's wages!

American's have been brainwashed in this country to slowly become legalized slaves. They have forgotten what it is like to live, aside from their routine go out to the bar every weekend or stay in some shitty all-inclusive hotel vacation where you don't even leave the resort.

The answer to your question is, because giant corporations run this country control and how your average person thinks.

To see clear evidence of the brainwashing, look at the attack on the public sector. Because these people have pension plans, great health care, earlier retirement options, and so on, the brainwashed look at that and say they are getting too much instead of we all should be getting these benefits which have been slowly been disappearing from the private sector over the past 35 years. The people with that kind of thinking are doing the elites work for them without even realizing it.

What's funny about your post is you don't realize how brainwashed you Europeans are. So instead of a country run by banks and corporations, you have a non-democratic union run by unelected oligarchs who have the force of armed government thugs in uniform to justify their actions. You'll take your 5 weeks vacation a year, universal healthcare, and early retirement because it worked out so well for Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy, didn't it? Oh, and when the thugs declare a new tax by confiscating 10% of your bank account to support a failed bureaucracy, you'll gladly take it too. You have no freedom of speech, no right to bear firearms, no protection from forced self-incrimination, and the oligarchs get away with shit like 50% tax and outlawing paternity tests, because you'll allow them.
 

ivwshane

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What's funny about your post is you don't realize how brainwashed you Europeans are. So instead of a country run by banks and corporations, you have a non-democratic union run by unelected oligarchs who have the force of armed government thugs in uniform to justify their actions. You'll take your 5 weeks vacation a year, universal healthcare, and early retirement because it worked out so well for Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy, didn't it? Oh, and when the thugs declare a new tax by confiscating 10% of your bank account to support a failed bureaucracy, you'll gladly take it too. You have no freedom of speech, no right to bear firearms, no protection from forced self-incrimination, and the oligarchs get away with shit like 50% tax and outlawing paternity tests, because you'll allow them.

Lol Europe has had universal health care since 1941-1980's. Trying to equate that with the financial status of today really highlights your ignorance.
 
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