American Beheaded?

[rickn]

Originally posted by: oniq

Originally posted by: SampSon
I just watched the uncut video.

That video of the russian getting decapitated was better.

Issues. :|

SampSon is right though, the Russian soldier video was better. Whether you like it, some people like gore. I'm partial to horror movies, and I don't get uneasy viewing that type of material. If he hadn't been executed in Iraq by terrorists, he'd have in all likelyhood never made anything but the local newspaper headlines.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Shanti
IMO, It doesn't matter if there were WMD's or not. Saddam clearly violated his obligation to allow us full access to inspect. How were we supposed to know for sure if there were weapons when we weren't allowed to check certain locations or talk with certain people. Saddam's behavior indicated he had something to hide and there was no way for us to know the truth while he was in power.

I SAW HANS BLIX SPEAK TWO WEEKS AGO

He said there were NO obstructions when they started up again in 2002. They were met with reluctance but he repeatedly told the UN, the White House....everyone, that they were not being blockaded from any sites - including all the presidental palaces. Unrestricted access to everywhere in the country. Had the war not started, every single site on the CIA list of suspect sites could have been searched by June. This could have been done with 200 ispectors and about $90 million a year. Every site they searched through March was high on the CIA's list of likely targets and they found NOTHING

Of course, now I assume you are going to accuse blix of being some whiny liberal who was lying or something :roll:

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: jimmygates
Saw the video. My blood is boiling. If this doesn't piss you off, I don't know what will. Fighting U.S. troops in battle is different. Beheading a bound innocent contractor is a disgrace.





-Jimbo

How can you see the video? I assume the moderators won't allow a link here, eh? Else it would be here. Well, can I get a clue where to get it or link to it? Thanks.

"I would not rush around a corner to see the end of the world." - Henry David Thoreau

I went to the Consumption... site and saw the video. 98% of it is this guy (Zahwari, presumably), reading a tract from a document in hand, in Arabic, obviously. Then the gruesome act. Islam presumably translates as "peace." I have to believe those Muslim extremists who perpetrate such acts and similar terrorist acts are oxymoronic in the extreme. AKA very very schizophrenic. There's plenty schizophrenia in this here world nowadays, folks.

 

[SP33Demon]

All, do you think the fact that he was Jewish had anything to do with his death? Do you think they knew he was Jewish? Didn't our military initially capture him, and then release him and tell him to find his own way home? Trying to get my facts straight.

 

[warcrow]

I'm going to sidestep the politics here because I'm not really in the mood for that, but just say this:

I just saw the video. My heart goes out to his family and friends. What a horrible way to die.

 

[deejayshakur]

watched it. been in a depressed mode for the past hour. but thinking about it more has just lead me to realize how backwards these people are.

if you lived in china during the imperial periods, you could suffer death 1 of 3 main ways: strangulation, beheading, or slicing. yea, slicing as in dismemberment. don't forget the killiing of millions of civilians when the mongols raided villages; the opium war was started when 2 brits killed a chinese merchant and the british government refused to hand over the 2 perpetrators. when the chinese retaliated, the brits attacked.

fastforward 600 years: we still haven't learned to live in peace or refrained from brutality. it's sad. no matter how good your heart is, sometimes people just need to reconsider what they're doing. it's sad that he died, but it just shows how wanting that feel good feeling from philanthropy will drive people to dangerous conditions. yea, selfish motivations exist even in philanthropy.

 

[MDesigner]

Ugh. I saw the video too.. not easy to watch, but it's so easy to be desensitized to American news these days.. it's always someone getting shot, blown up, etc.. but when you SEE it for yourself, man does it hit home and make you value life.

I hope those sick f__ks get what's coming to them... a beheading is NOT equal revenge for what the US soldiers did to the Iraqi prisoners.

 

[dejacky]

The most retarded thing is. THIS GUY WASN'T EVEN A SOLDIER. He was a contractor repairing their fv(king country and these STUPID MORONIC ARABS cut his head off... i watched the video and it angered me how idiot these terrorists can be. and the fact that they call themselves muslims is another tragedy in itself. I condone this idea but at LEAST capture an enemy soldier instead of an innocent person that's trying to help your country.

Also, they didn't do this in retaliation of the iraqi prisoner abuse since he was killed BEFORE THAT HAPPENED. fv(king dumb asses don't even know what they're fighting for......rant over.

 

[OCNewbie]

I saw the video. First time I watched it with a LOT of hesitation, made me feel pretty sick. I'm just wondering if as they're reading that long speach, as he's kneeling there in front of them, if he has any earthly idea what is about to happen to him. He seems pretty calm there before they jump on top of him. Wonder how long he was held captive before they killed him. Must have been horrific for all those guys to jump on top of you then take that knife to your throat =( What a horrible way to go. The insane things people will do in the name of a religion.... very sad state of mind these people are in.

 

[MDesigner]

Originally posted by: dejacky
Also, they didn't do this in retaliation of the iraqi prisoner abuse since he was killed BEFORE THAT HAPPENED.

Really? How do you know that? What was the datestamp on the video clip? (sorry..I can't watch it again. I already couldn't sleep last night because of it)

 

[Mayfriday0529]

Sorry guys i saw the video. Poor guy.
hope the U.S. will do something about it.

 

[bdjohnson]

I read about it in the paper. he was a fellow Tuba player! I am so sad.

 

[MDesigner]

Oh by the way..can someone explain why there's no blood??

Here's a thread where a user gives theories that something odd is going on..

 

[Mayfriday0529]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
Oh by the way..can someone explain why there's no blood??

Here's a thread where a user gives theories that something odd is going on..

I hope your not thinking conspiracy.

 

[MDesigner]

I wasn't really thinking anything fishy was going on until a news report this morning that the US is now denying that Berg was in US custody. What's going on?? It was supposedly accepted that he was in US custody up till the point he was captured/killed. Now the US is saying he wasn't?

I don't get it..

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
I wasn't really thinking anything fishy was going on until a news report this morning that the US is now denying that Berg was in US custody. What's going on?? It was supposedly accepted that he was in US custody up till the point he was captured/killed. Now the US is saying he wasn't?

I don't get it..

The news is reporting that because the family is now blaming the US for the guys death. Regardless of the prior circumstances, it was the Iraqi's that killed him. The family is no doubtedly going to try and sue the US government.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
I wasn't really thinking anything fishy was going on until a news report this morning that the US is now denying that Berg was in US custody. What's going on?? It was supposedly accepted that he was in US custody up till the point he was captured/killed. Now the US is saying he wasn't?

I don't get it..

I read in the paper this morning (S.F. Chronicle, Business section, front page) that he went off on his own, basically roaming Iraq looking for work, which I think was repairing antennas. IOW, he was solo, without security. He was taking a big chance. Most Americans (practically everybody) in Iraq don't do anything of the sort - they lay low, only move about, or travel with security escorts and similar security. Add to this the fact that he was a Jew and you realize that he was very at risk. Did his captors know he was Jewish? I don't know. When I heard his name was Berg, I figured him for a Jew, but Iraqis (or Al Qaida, or whoever they are) might not. AFAIK, they thought of him merely as an American.

 

[MDesigner]

Yes, other sources seemed to claim that he was a risk-taker.. if that's true though, why was he so afraid to fly from that airport that the soldiers called RPG Alley?

On the flip side..isn't it odd that he'd be so careless to travel without security?

The thread I posted a link to seems to suggest that this was staged, in order to take the heat off the recent issue of the US soldiers abusing the Iraqi prisoners. A few things the user "almond" claims seem to make sense.. he almost suggests that the hooded men are Americans, but what about the part of the video where one of the guys is reading in Arabic? I don't care how fluent a soldier could be at Arabic.. without years and years of living in the environment, they will never sound like a native speaker.

I don't want to start a conspiracy theory discussion on this because it would almost be tasteless. But has anyone read the thread link I posted above? What do you think of the comments made there? I always at least consider "alternate" (read: conspiracy) theories because our government has had a past with covering things up and pulling shady moves, so I try to look past the media in some cases and see if anything else might make sense.

 

[dabuddha]

The orange jumpsuit? Have you ever seem American prisoners of Iraqi captors
in orange jumpsuits? I never have. But - one of the pictures of the Iraqi
prisoners shows an orange jumpsuit on the floor next to the naked bodies.
Orange jumpsuit - that's American

Then - the yellow walls. The same yellow walls in Abu Ghraib prison.

So there can't be other orange jumpsuits in Iraq or yellow walls according to that guy? He needs to get a reality check.

 

[MDesigner]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The orange jumpsuit? Have you ever seem American prisoners of Iraqi captors
in orange jumpsuits? I never have. But - one of the pictures of the Iraqi
prisoners shows an orange jumpsuit on the floor next to the naked bodies.
Orange jumpsuit - that's American

Then - the yellow walls. The same yellow walls in Abu Ghraib prison.

So there can't be other orange jumpsuits in Iraq or yellow walls according to that guy? He needs to get a reality check.

Yeah that was pretty ridiculous. The only questions in my mind are, why is there no blood? And what are these discontinuities he talks about? I won't watch the video again, too intense.. so maybe someone else with a stronger stomach can take a look.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: MDesigner

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The orange jumpsuit? Have you ever seem American prisoners of Iraqi captors
in orange jumpsuits? I never have. But - one of the pictures of the Iraqi
prisoners shows an orange jumpsuit on the floor next to the naked bodies.
Orange jumpsuit - that's American

Then - the yellow walls. The same yellow walls in Abu Ghraib prison.

So there can't be other orange jumpsuits in Iraq or yellow walls according to that guy? He needs to get a reality check.

Yeah that was pretty ridiculous. The only questions in my mind are, why is there no blood? And what are these discontinuities he talks about? I won't watch the video again, too intense.. so maybe someone else with a stronger stomach can take a look.

I can't comment on the blood because I didn't see the video (and I'm not going to. I don't want to traumatize myself over it)

 

[Muse]

The video I saw was in a small window (at the porn site linked above) and it was hard to make out all that much even on my 19" LCD. The head was held up maybe 5-10 seconds after decapitation was completed. It seemed to take 20 seconds or so, the decapitation - it was NOT a swift action like you might suppose. By the time the head was held up the blood would have drained. From what I saw, I could not determine but assumed much blood on the floor.

Staged? Well, I don't think too much of the Bush Administration, but staging that, I think, is even beyond them.

 

[MDesigner]

Supposedly this copy is "high quality" as stated earlier in this thread. Not sure if that's true or not... not checking either

Yes, I highly HIGHLY doubt this was staged. But something is fishy about him being in custody... and what happened in the 11 hours between his statement and his execution? And why was he so calm-looking in the videos?? Do you think they lied and told him they would set him free? Remember those US soldiers from El Paso who were captured? They were treated pretty well IIRC, and remember how panicked and nervous they looked? Maybe Nick just hid it well..but I think it would take some a SERIOUSLY stone cold person to keep their composure in a situation like that.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: warcrow
I'm going to sidestep the politics here because I'm not really in the mood for that, but just say this:

I just saw the video. My heart goes out to his family and friends. What a horrible way to die.

My sentiments exactly. If I even think back for a second to it...gawd, I can't even fathom the horror...

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
Supposedly this copy is "high quality" as stated earlier in this thread. Not sure if that's true or not... not checking either

Yes, I highly HIGHLY doubt this was staged. But something is fishy about him being in custody... and what happened in the 11 hours between his statement and his execution? And why was he so calm-looking in the videos?? Do you think they lied and told him they would set him free? Remember those US soldiers from El Paso who were captured? They were treated pretty well IIRC, and remember how panicked and nervous they looked? Maybe Nick just hid it well..but I think it would take some a SERIOUSLY stone cold person to keep their composure in a situation like that.

He was probably calm because he doesn't speak Arabic. Had no clue what was being said.