American Beheaded?

[MDesigner]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: MDesigner
Supposedly this copy is "high quality" as stated earlier in this thread. Not sure if that's true or not... not checking either

Yes, I highly HIGHLY doubt this was staged. But something is fishy about him being in custody... and what happened in the 11 hours between his statement and his execution? And why was he so calm-looking in the videos?? Do you think they lied and told him they would set him free? Remember those US soldiers from El Paso who were captured? They were treated pretty well IIRC, and remember how panicked and nervous they looked? Maybe Nick just hid it well..but I think it would take some a SERIOUSLY stone cold person to keep their composure in a situation like that.

He was probably calm because he doesn't speak Arabic. Had no clue what was being said.

Yeah.. he couldn't understand them, so he was totally calm. :laugh: Hey, put anyone on their knees, back facing a group of masked men, and throw in a video camera, and have the assailants speak whatever... Arabic, Farsi, German, Esperanto, gibberish... and let's see how calm they are.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
Yeah.. he couldn't understand them, so he was totally calm. :laugh: Hey, put anyone on their knees, back facing a group of masked men, and throw in a video camera, and have the assailants speak whatever... Arabic, Farsi, German, Esperanto, gibberish... and let's see how calm they are.

He was probably thinking it was just going to be a "hey, we've got your guy, now we want a few prisoners or $$ in exchange for him" video.

 

[MDesigner]

I went back to that thread I posted a link to.. someone posted this:

A doctor's opinion of the video

Some people seem to think Nick was already dead when they decapitated him. I don't remember the footage too well, but when he was on his knees, was he moving at all or blinking? But I do remember when they knocked him over, he was totally motionless. I think even if that blow had cut his neck/throat, he would still be moving or doing SOMEthing, at least for a few seconds.. and there would've been blood too. But there was nothing, he was a complete rag doll. I think if an attacker knocked someone over and/or cut their throat, the victim would be wide-eyed and gasping, and struggling, and then possibly trying to stop the attacker from cutting them further. I don't know, maybe I'm way off... see, we're so sheltered from these types of things, we don't know what it REALLY looks like when someone is killed, all we know is what we see in movies. So I'm just kinda guessing here.

 

[polm]

the time stamps are all off.

there is defintiley not a considerable amount of blood shown.

from reading more about this guy's situation in the mideast, I am starting to smell something fishy going on.

looks like we are being lied to again !!

Thanks you Mass Media

 

[MDesigner]

OK I very briefly watched the beginning.. Nick is definitely moving when he's on the floor and they're reading the script. So much for that theory..

 

[virtueixi]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
I went back to that thread I posted a link to.. someone posted this:

A doctor's opinion of the video

Some people seem to think Nick was already dead when they decapitated him. I don't remember the footage too well, but when he was on his knees, was he moving at all or blinking? But I do remember when they knocked him over, he was totally motionless. I think even if that blow had cut his neck/throat, he would still be moving or doing SOMEthing, at least for a few seconds.. and there would've been blood too. But there was nothing, he was a complete rag doll. I think if an attacker knocked someone over and/or cut their throat, the victim would be wide-eyed and gasping, and struggling, and then possibly trying to stop the attacker from cutting them further. I don't know, maybe I'm way off... see, we're so sheltered from these types of things, we don't know what it REALLY looks like when someone is killed, all we know is what we see in movies. So I'm just kinda guessing here.

Plus in kill bill the blOOd goes everywhere.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: MDesigner
I went back to that thread I posted a link to.. someone posted this:

A doctor's opinion of the video

Some people seem to think Nick was already dead when they decapitated him. I don't remember the footage too well, but when he was on his knees, was he moving at all or blinking? But I do remember when they knocked him over, he was totally motionless. I think even if that blow had cut his neck/throat, he would still be moving or doing SOMEthing, at least for a few seconds.. and there would've been blood too. But there was nothing, he was a complete rag doll. I think if an attacker knocked someone over and/or cut their throat, the victim would be wide-eyed and gasping, and struggling, and then possibly trying to stop the attacker from cutting them further. I don't know, maybe I'm way off... see, we're so sheltered from these types of things, we don't know what it REALLY looks like when someone is killed, all we know is what we see in movies. So I'm just kinda guessing here.

Plus in kill bill the blOOd goes everywhere.

:roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
I went back to that thread I posted a link to.. someone posted this:

A doctor's opinion of the video

Some people seem to think Nick was already dead when they decapitated him. I don't remember the footage too well, but when he was on his knees, was he moving at all or blinking? But I do remember when they knocked him over, he was totally motionless. I think even if that blow had cut his neck/throat, he would still be moving or doing SOMEthing, at least for a few seconds.. and there would've been blood too. But there was nothing, he was a complete rag doll. I think if an attacker knocked someone over and/or cut their throat, the victim would be wide-eyed and gasping, and struggling, and then possibly trying to stop the attacker from cutting them further. I don't know, maybe I'm way off... see, we're so sheltered from these types of things, we don't know what it REALLY looks like when someone is killed, all we know is what we see in movies. So I'm just kinda guessing here.

I agree with the doctor. Nick was definitely not alive when he was decapitated, blood would have been squirting everywhere... one thing I did find odd when watching it, was Nick was grimacing on the ground while they were cutting, and all of a sudden, the grimace is gone. Then I was thinking, why would his facial muscles relax after decapitation? Wouldn't he die with the same grimace on his face? Just found that odd.

I think what happened was: he was jumped while still alive and had his neck slit. They stopped the tape until he was dead and not struggling anymore, and then cut the head off...

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: MDesigner
OK I very briefly watched the beginning..

 

[MDesigner]

Actually yes, when you're decapitated, there's supposed to be a big blob of blood that shoots up.. there's a medical term for it. No, not like in Kill Bill. A doctor friend told me about it. It's got some complicated name. Anyone? Do we have any medical people reading this?

 

[MDesigner]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I think what happened was: he was jumped while still alive and had his neck slit. They stopped the tape until he was dead and not struggling anymore, and then cut the head off...

But why would they do that? Has anyone looked at the timestamps to see where the gaps occur?

 

[Robor]

I saw the vid yesterday from the link MDesigner posted a few above this post. I only watched it once but before I did I read others commenting that they didn't see blood so I paid close attention during "the act" when I watched it. It's still grainy or at least pixelated but from what I saw there was blood and it appeared to me a lot of it. Like I said, I only watched it once - after lunch - and I don't know if it was anger or the general feeling of upset stomach one gets after watching something like that. Either way, I don't feel up to watching it again to look for blood.

As far as conspiracy theories, given that these people (radical militant muslims) have shown in the past that they are not above this type of act I see no reason to believe this was staged. It appears to me these are the same cowards who want anyone who doesn't agree with their religious beliefs dead. So much for tolerance, eh? Anyway, I was for going in to eliminate the alleged WMD but since it's been over a year and *nothing* has been uncovered to show they exist I say get the F out of there and leave with a statement...

Any future terrorist attacks against the US or it's interests abroad will be considered an act of war against the US. Once the source of such terrorism is determined the response will be a swift and massive attack against the terrorist supporting country in the form of long range missles with the intention of totally eliminating the enemy.

 

[StageLeft]

As far as conspiracy theories, given that these people (radical militant muslims) have shown in the past that they are not above this type of act I see no reason to believe this was staged.

Fact is his body was returned and no head was attached to it. Obviously they cut it off, so whether he was alive or not during that doesn't really matter all that much. As you said, why would they stage it? Really not much point to it, and even if they did it doesn't change a their act and make it any less gruesome.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

What that doc said in the above linked article is so true (obviously). If there's no blood going EVERYWHERE, then whomever they beheaded was already dead.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: MDesigner

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: MDesigner
Supposedly this copy is "high quality" as stated earlier in this thread. Not sure if that's true or not... not checking either

Yes, I highly HIGHLY doubt this was staged. But something is fishy about him being in custody... and what happened in the 11 hours between his statement and his execution? And why was he so calm-looking in the videos?? Do you think they lied and told him they would set him free? Remember those US soldiers from El Paso who were captured? They were treated pretty well IIRC, and remember how panicked and nervous they looked? Maybe Nick just hid it well..but I think it would take some a SERIOUSLY stone cold person to keep their composure in a situation like that.

He was probably calm because he doesn't speak Arabic. Had no clue what was being said.

Yeah.. he couldn't understand them, so he was totally calm. :laugh: Hey, put anyone on their knees, back facing a group of masked men, and throw in a video camera, and have the assailants speak whatever... Arabic, Farsi, German, Esperanto, gibberish... and let's see how calm they are.

Don't be retarded. If you had been in captivity for a while and had been constantly hit, blindfolded, moved, etc. by angry men with large weapons you'd just do whatever they wanted and sit your ass down and do nothing. It's silly to say otherwise.

 

[OCNewbie]

I may be inclined to go along with the idea that they first slit his throat, let him die from blood loss that way. Then later decided to lop off his head. No matter how you slice it, he's dead, and his death has not advanced their cause in any way whatsoever that I can see. Purely senseless.

 

[Muse]

Don't be retarded. If you had been in captivity for a while and had been constantly hit, blindfolded, moved, etc. by angry men with large weapons you'd just do whatever they wanted and sit your ass down and do nothing. It's silly to say otherwise.

Yes, and with your captors holding Kalishnikovs and your hands tied behind your back.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Robor
I saw the vid yesterday from the link MDesigner posted a few above this post. I only watched it once but before I did I read others commenting that they didn't see blood so I paid close attention during "the act" when I watched it. It's still grainy or at least pixelated but from what I saw there was blood and it appeared to me a lot of it. Like I said, I only watched it once - after lunch - and I don't know if it was anger or the general feeling of upset stomach one gets after watching something like that. Either way, I don't feel up to watching it again to look for blood.

As far as conspiracy theories, given that these people (radical militant muslims) have shown in the past that they are not above this type of act I see no reason to believe this was staged. It appears to me these are the same cowards who want anyone who doesn't agree with their religious beliefs dead. So much for tolerance, eh? Anyway, I was for going in to eliminate the alleged WMD but since it's been over a year and *nothing* has been uncovered to show they exist I say get the F out of there and leave with a statement...

Any future terrorist attacks against the US or it's interests abroad will be considered an act of war against the US. Once the source of such terrorism is determined the response will be a swift and massive attack against the terrorist supporting country in the form of long range missles with the intention of totally eliminating the enemy.

I like this idea. Really. Attack us and you have no chance. But we have to be better then them. We have all those "americans" saying conspiracy theory, or NO WMD, or Bush this or that. I personally would like to see an official announcement. "In retaliation for the death of Berg, and everything else you did to us we give the country 3 days to evacuate anyone who wants to live. You will be picked up and moved to a safe distance where you will be held." Then pull our troops and literally waste the place. War is a complete contradiction to what it means to be human and all IS fair. Why are we not judged by the same low standards as our enemies? Why do we have to let things happen to us and do nothing about them?

Staged - come on! Just another Bush hating liberal statement.

 

[polm]

unfortunately we are all basing our opinions on this flaky, at best, WMV flick of Berg getting "killed" .

The video quality and disconinuity (sp?) makes it IMPOSSIBLE to know for sure.

To retaliate against anyone for this is wrong and would be based solely on speculation and assumption.

right ?

 

[MDesigner]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: MDesigner

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: MDesigner
Supposedly this copy is "high quality" as stated earlier in this thread. Not sure if that's true or not... not checking either

Yes, I highly HIGHLY doubt this was staged. But something is fishy about him being in custody... and what happened in the 11 hours between his statement and his execution? And why was he so calm-looking in the videos?? Do you think they lied and told him they would set him free? Remember those US soldiers from El Paso who were captured? They were treated pretty well IIRC, and remember how panicked and nervous they looked? Maybe Nick just hid it well..but I think it would take some a SERIOUSLY stone cold person to keep their composure in a situation like that.

He was probably calm because he doesn't speak Arabic. Had no clue what was being said.

Yeah.. he couldn't understand them, so he was totally calm. :laugh: Hey, put anyone on their knees, back facing a group of masked men, and throw in a video camera, and have the assailants speak whatever... Arabic, Farsi, German, Esperanto, gibberish... and let's see how calm they are.

Don't be retarded. If you had been in captivity for a while and had been constantly hit, blindfolded, moved, etc. by angry men with large weapons you'd just do whatever they wanted and sit your ass down and do nothing. It's silly to say otherwise.

Is it documented that Nick was beaten and abused while in captivity? I don't know, I'm just speculating. Maybe he was past the point of fear and already accepted that he might not make it out alive.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Robor
I saw the vid yesterday from the link MDesigner posted a few above this post. I only watched it once but before I did I read others commenting that they didn't see blood so I paid close attention during "the act" when I watched it. It's still grainy or at least pixelated but from what I saw there was blood and it appeared to me a lot of it. Like I said, I only watched it once - after lunch - and I don't know if it was anger or the general feeling of upset stomach one gets after watching something like that. Either way, I don't feel up to watching it again to look for blood.

As far as conspiracy theories, given that these people (radical militant muslims) have shown in the past that they are not above this type of act I see no reason to believe this was staged. It appears to me these are the same cowards who want anyone who doesn't agree with their religious beliefs dead. So much for tolerance, eh? Anyway, I was for going in to eliminate the alleged WMD but since it's been over a year and *nothing* has been uncovered to show they exist I say get the F out of there and leave with a statement...

Any future terrorist attacks against the US or it's interests abroad will be considered an act of war against the US. Once the source of such terrorism is determined the response will be a swift and massive attack against the terrorist supporting country in the form of long range missles with the intention of totally eliminating the enemy.

So you're suggesting that b/c of Al Qaeda's attacks on the Twin Towers, we should constantly bomb innocents in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan until they give him up? What if we don't know where the terrorists are located? lol :roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Robor
I saw the vid yesterday from the link MDesigner posted a few above this post. I only watched it once but before I did I read others commenting that they didn't see blood so I paid close attention during "the act" when I watched it. It's still grainy or at least pixelated but from what I saw there was blood and it appeared to me a lot of it. Like I said, I only watched it once - after lunch - and I don't know if it was anger or the general feeling of upset stomach one gets after watching something like that. Either way, I don't feel up to watching it again to look for blood.

As far as conspiracy theories, given that these people (radical militant muslims) have shown in the past that they are not above this type of act I see no reason to believe this was staged. It appears to me these are the same cowards who want anyone who doesn't agree with their religious beliefs dead. So much for tolerance, eh? Anyway, I was for going in to eliminate the alleged WMD but since it's been over a year and *nothing* has been uncovered to show they exist I say get the F out of there and leave with a statement...

Any future terrorist attacks against the US or it's interests abroad will be considered an act of war against the US. Once the source of such terrorism is determined the response will be a swift and massive attack against the terrorist supporting country in the form of long range missles with the intention of totally eliminating the enemy.

I like this idea. Really. Attack us and you have no chance. But we have to be better then them. We have all those "americans" saying conspiracy theory, or NO WMD, or Bush this or that. I personally would like to see an official announcement. "In retaliation for the death of Berg, and everything else you did to us we give the country 3 days to evacuate anyone who wants to live. You will be picked up and moved to a safe distance where you will be held." Then pull our troops and literally waste the place. War is a complete contradiction to what it means to be human and all IS fair. Why are we not judged by the same low standards as our enemies? Why do we have to let things happen to us and do nothing about them?

Staged - come on! Just another Bush hating liberal statement.

Yeah, I'm sure a whole country of innocents will relocate so you can bomb their houses... This isn't Israel and the Palenstinians, Israel does the same thing and this has really led to peace ... :roll:

I don't think the video was staged at all, but I don't think Berg was alive when decapitated...

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

It's possible he was drugged. This would be a good reason for him to not move or struggle alot. And depending on what drugs were used on him, they could have lowered his blood pressure enough to where he didn't errupt.

Thou I only watched it once, I saw blood and it looked real to me. When a head comes off, a giant blob of blood doesn't come shooting out. The way he was cut, the arteries would have pumped the blood into the cavity of his body or possibly it could have flowed down his esoughogus or trechea.

Could this have been staged or faked? Over course, but i don't think so. The people that jump to say this is fake are the sameones that think the US faked landing on the moon.

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: dejacky
The most retarded thing is. THIS GUY WASN'T EVEN A SOLDIER. He was a contractor repairing their fv(king country and these STUPID MORONIC ARABS cut his head off... i watched the video and it angered me how idiot these terrorists can be. and the fact that they call themselves muslims is another tragedy in itself. I condone this idea but at LEAST capture an enemy soldier instead of an innocent person that's trying to help your country.

Also, they didn't do this in retaliation of the iraqi prisoner abuse since he was killed BEFORE THAT HAPPENED. fv(king dumb asses don't even know what they're fighting for......rant over.

Well said!!!!

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: SilverTorch
Google

says his throat was cut, not sure about the beheading

It was cut clean off. I have the video. They started at the front and sawed it off like they were cutting a steak or something.

Why would you search for and watch the video? That's just sick.

Do you ever watch porn? Do you ever watch violent movies? Do you cover your eyes when a girl walks by who's got a shirt that rides too low?

STFU. :|

Are you suggesting people watch beheading for pleasure ?

That's ridiculous. I was implying that curiosity drives people to do things that seem strange to other people.

Yeah, but you put watching a beheading on the same "strangeness" level as peaking at cleavage.

Sorry man, but that's just wrong.

It's called morbid curiousity people. get the fsck over it. I guess by most of your standards, I'd be the devil himself if that sort of thing rated what kind of a person you are. Besides, FFM doesn't have to answer to any of you; what are you, his mommies?