Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe some of you are turning this into another Republican vs. Democrat pissing contest. You should be fvcking ashamed of yourselves :|
Who says this is a Republican versus Democrat issue? I'm a Republican!
Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe some of you are turning this into another Republican vs. Democrat pissing contest. You should be fvcking ashamed of yourselves :|
Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe some of you are turning this into another Republican vs. Democrat pissing contest. You should be fvcking ashamed of yourselves :|
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe some of you are turning this into another Republican vs. Democrat pissing contest. You should be fvcking ashamed of yourselves :|
Who said anything about R vs D? You should be ashamed for misunderstanding.
I think you're the one who needs to brush up on critical reading. We're talking about the possible failure of American intelligence that led to the invasion of Iraq by American forces. Now that there's a so-called power vacuum created by the American decimation of any and all sources of Iraqi power, Al Qaeda forces are free to move into Iraq and commit acts like the decapitation of American civilians. If we had not invaded Iraq, there would be no beheading of American civilians and there would not be close to 1000 U.S. soldiers dead for a 'link' that's sketchy at best.Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe some of you are turning this into another Republican vs. Democrat pissing contest. You should be fvcking ashamed of yourselves :|
Who said anything about R vs D? You should be ashamed for misunderstanding.
If you have any critical reading skills at all it's plain to see.
If we had not invaded Iraq, there would be no beheading of American civilians and there would not be close to 1000 U.S. soldiers dead for a 'link' that's sketchy at best.
Originally posted by: Thraxen
If we had not invaded Iraq, there would be no beheading of American civilians and there would not be close to 1000 U.S. soldiers dead for a 'link' that's sketchy at best.
Maybe... maybe not. Seems we had a few thousand dead civilians at WTC before invading.
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
You totally missed the point.
Originally posted by: Thraxen
If we had not invaded Iraq, there would be no beheading of American civilians and there would not be close to 1000 U.S. soldiers dead for a 'link' that's sketchy at best.
Maybe... maybe not. Seems we had a few thousand dead civilians at WTC before invading.
Originally posted by: beer
Originally posted by: Thraxen
If we had not invaded Iraq, there would be no beheading of American civilians and there would not be close to 1000 U.S. soldiers dead for a 'link' that's sketchy at best.
Maybe... maybe not. Seems we had a few thousand dead civilians at WTC before invading.
None of which have been ever, ever even REMOTELY LINKED TO SADDAM
The rest of the world sees it. The entire UN sees it. Hans Blix himself said that there is absolutely no WMDs in Iraq and that they have not existed in almost a decade. And Saddam and AlQuada have such different ideologies that they have NOTHING in common.
This country has failed to prove even the slightest, most insignificant link of any collaboration between saddam and bin laden.
And that point was? I love when people say things like, "You missed the point," or, "You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?" and then fail to actually explain that point. To me, such a response indicates that the person knows they've been bested.Originally posted by: Thraxen
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
You totally missed the point.
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
You totally missed the point.
And what was the point?
Anyway, what is the point? 3000 people died in the WTC attacks. If we had occupied Afghanistan with the troops that are now in Iraq, the Taliban wouldn't be regrouping on the fringes of a now free-for-all country, like they're doing now in Afghanistan.
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
You totally missed the point.
And what was the point?
The point is that this is not a tit for tat thing. This is a destroying Americas enemies thing.
Where is North Korea on your 'map' of America's enemies? Or do you not yet have enough PROOF that they're actually a danger to America?Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
You totally missed the point.
And what was the point?
The point is that this is not a tit for tat thing. This is a destroying Americas enemies thing.
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Anyway, what is the point? 3000 people died in the WTC attacks. If we had occupied Afghanistan with the troops that are now in Iraq, the Taliban wouldn't be regrouping on the fringes of a now free-for-all country, like they're doing now in Afghanistan.
Damn people... it wasn't that difficult to understand. You said things like that wouldn't be happening if hadn't invaded Iraq and I pointed out that things like that were happening well before.
Originally posted by: jumpr
How is that a problem? We haven't been shown any evidence to indicate otherwise. Why don't you start subscribing to the American ideal of innocent until proven guilty? Iraq's links to al-Qaeda are non-existent until they're proven. You're assuming there are links with absolutely no evidence to prove such a claim.
Show me cold, hard facts, and I'll tell you that the deaths of nearly 1000 U.S. soldiers were worth it. Until then, I'll sit here waiting for the evidence.
Originally posted by: bozack
If this act does turn out to be something comitted by Al Queda then I assume you would be of the belief that they only entered into this after we began our movement against Hussein...personally I find it hard to buy that they would just jump in now without any previous ties, I mean geographically they are close, they are/were both in the same business of ruling by fear and power, and they both had serious grudges against the US...to assume there was no connection IMHO seems naive, however unfortunately there is nothing as *concrete* presented to us as the liberals would like, I feel though that even if definitive proof did surface the libs would write it off using their standard denial practices.
Originally posted by: jumpr
Where is North Korea on your 'map' of America's enemies? Or do you not yet have enough PROOF that they're actually a danger to America?Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Seems we already invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for that and deposed the regime that quartered and supported those responsible. It also seems that we diverted a large amount of our armed forces for an unnecessary excursion when we could have used those same forces for securing the Afghani population and rooting out the last vestiges of the Taliban.
You totally missed the point.
And what was the point?
The point is that this is not a tit for tat thing. This is a destroying Americas enemies thing.
Please, show me proof that Al Qaeda and the Hussein regime in Iraq were 'collaborators.' As Osorum said before, Iraq and AQ were quite opposed on issues of religion and government. Just because they both hate America and were in nearby countries, it doesn't mean they were working together.Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: jumpr
How is that a problem? We haven't been shown any evidence to indicate otherwise. Why don't you start subscribing to the American ideal of innocent until proven guilty? Iraq's links to al-Qaeda are non-existent until they're proven. You're assuming there are links with absolutely no evidence to prove such a claim.
Show me cold, hard facts, and I'll tell you that the deaths of nearly 1000 U.S. soldiers were worth it. Until then, I'll sit here waiting for the evidence.
If this act does turn out to be something comitted by Al Queda then I assume you would be of the belief that they only entered into this after we began our movement against Hussein...personally I find it hard to buy that they would just jump in now without any previous ties, I mean geographically they are close, they are/were both in the same business of ruling by fear and power, and they both had serious grudges against the US...to assume there was no connection IMHO seems naive, however unfortunately there is nothing as *concrete* presented to us as the liberals would like, I feel though that even if definitive proof did surface the libs would write it off using their standard denial practices.
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I happen to have kin seving in the Army in Iraq and NK. Yes, as pointed out by President Bush, NK is an enemy of the US. If they want to start something with us, we will respond. My nephew in NK is being redeployed to FT. Hood for an eventual rotation to Iraq. We are handing over a good majority of watching over NK to the Republic of Korea (South Korea).
When did Iraq start something with us?Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Yes, as pointed out by President Bush, NK is an enemy of the US. If they want to start something with us, we will respond.
Originally posted by: beer
I love it how this thread is now the exact.Same.As.Every.Other.Thread.On.The.Iraq.War. No one is going to change anybody's opinion so why even waste time anymore