American Cars vs. Imports

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
hey, idiot. It was the fastest car on the planet. Faster than any euro race car as well.

It was MODIFIED. Show me right off the lot. I promise if they would have heavily modified a Euro car, if would have gone faster.

And who cares about 1970? You must be a babyboomer, still living in the past. Get it together gramps! Who's the fastest now? Euros, both in production and modification!

your right:

it had a cage installed. It also had a single 4bbl NASCAR spec'd Hemi. It made about 500 - 600HP. LOL it is closer to stock than you can imagine.

 

[Xyclone]

Wow... very lame video. Like a commenter said, "how would you like it if I posted a video of piece of sh!t domestics (pintos) vs. nice imports. What would that prove?" You have similar variables. Besides, domestics are pretty much sh!t, the only decent sports car they have is the Ford GT and the Corvette Z06 (the Viper is crappy, so don't go there).

 

[fubar569]

here we go again...

/flamesuit on

aside from the blatantly obvious, i just thought of one of the best eurofighters we have...in both price and performance...the Cadillac CTS-V - american made and made specifically to whoop euro ass. I really can't wait to see how many germans piss thier pants when GM drops the "Super V" on the world...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Xyclone
Wow... very lame video. Like a commenter said, "how would you like it if I posted a video of piece of sh!t domestics (pintos) vs. nice imports. What would that prove?" You have similar variables. Besides, domestics are pretty much sh!t, the only decent sports car they have is the Ford GT and the Corvette Z06 (the Viper is crappy, so don't go there).

The difference is that domestic guys don't pimp out Pinto's with 10' wings and 12" mufflers and claim they have fast cars the way import guys do with their Civics.

Ricers shouldn't be claiming they can hang with Vipers and Corvettes with their Civics and Sentras then turn around and talk about EVOs and NSXs when they get their ass kicked.

I think everyone respects fast cars from anywhere, but the truth is most talk of 'imports' usually implies a blinged out Japanese economy car like Civic or Sentra or something to that extent. If import guys claim their hopped up Civics will take on a Z06, then it's fair game. They shouldn't talk themselves into something that isn't true.

You don't see domestic drivers running around with lime green Pintos with NOS stickers and 10' wings and 12" fart cans bragging about how they can beat Supras and Evos all day do you? I didn't think so, and thats the only reason why you will never see the video you desire of them getting their asses rightfully kicked.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: fubar569
here we go again...

/flamesuit on

aside from the blatantly obvious, i just thought of one of the best eurofighters we have...in both price and performance...the Cadillac CTS-V - american made and made specifically to whoop euro ass. I really can't wait to see how many germans piss thier pants when GM drops the "Super V" on the world...

what's this super V you speak of?

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Differences:

Z06-$63,000

Euro-Well over $200k

Take that extra money and put it in the Z06 and those damn euros dont stand a chance. Google that Z06 and watch some videos you will see that it outperforms alot of euros. Watch this video, you will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE


Has a huge price difference and still outperforms it.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Differences:

Z06-$63,000

Euro-Well over $200k

Take that extra money and put it in the Z06 and those damn euros dont stand a chance. Google that Z06 and watch some videos you will see that it outperforms alot of euros. Watch this video, you will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE


Has a huge price difference and still outperforms it.

everybody knows when you buy a ferrari youre just donating to the F1 team, but yes, up to this point, i have yet to see a car that offers the bang for the buck the z06 does.

 

[spikespiegal]

Ricers shouldn't be claiming they can hang with Vipers and Corvettes with their Civics and Sentras then turn around and talk about EVOs and NSXs when they get their ass kicked.

No, they can just drive their cars for 5 years and have a higher resale value because they're still on the same head gasket. Were Chevy engineers so lazy they had to rip off an Acura NSX for the body style of the new Vette'?

I was taking a lunch this summer with a consultant friend of mine who's also a car enthusiast, and and a native Brit with a big mouth and more than happy to point out the shortcomings of American engineering. Thank god his London accent is so heavy most american's cant understand him and hence don't take a swing at him.

Case in point; while on lunch this summer he pointed out a new Dodge Magnum, which we both agreed is one of the ugliest incarnations ever produced, and an example of the mindless american auto industry and it''s 20-second attention span. Who buys that garbage and why? The Griswald's 'Road Queen' in National Lampoon's Vacation has more style and better corner handling than most new american cars.

5-minutes later we passed a mint condition 1958' Corvette, black, with pearl inlay, and nearly causing several accidents as other motorists gawked in amazement. My friend nearly choked on his hambuger when he saw the Vette' and began waving his finger like a sword; "see that...now explain to me how American engineers can produce a vehicle that bloody gorgeous and making BMW/Mercedes look like AMC, and yet where did you all go wrong?"

I didn't have an answer for him.

 

[spikespiegal]

I didn't think so, and thats the only reason why you will never see the video you desire of them getting their asses rightfully kicked.

Pretty much any 650cc Japanese street bike will waste a hyper exotic American Sports car in a quarter mile, and most of the references you refer to are nothing but straight line acceleration anyways. My dads'71' Cuda could do 0-60 in less than three seconds and pin any adult's head to the seat like an F-14 launching off an aircraft carrier. Still, the average minivan could take a corner better than he could.

Pardon me, but I prefer cars that have better performance than a bowling ball dropped off a parking ramp, and better handling. This excludes 99% of any modern american sports cars, which are better referred to as 'low profile SUV's'.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Ricers shouldn't be claiming they can hang with Vipers and Corvettes with their Civics and Sentras then turn around and talk about EVOs and NSXs when they get their ass kicked.

No, they can just drive their cars for 5 years and have a higher resale value because they're still on the same head gasket. Were Chevy engineers so lazy they had to rip off an Acura NSX for the body style of the new Vette'?

I was taking a lunch this summer with a consultant friend of mine who's also a car enthusiast, and and a native Brit with a big mouth and more than happy to point out the shortcomings of American engineering. Thank god his London accent is so heavy most american's cant understand him and hence don't take a swing at him.

Case in point; while on lunch this summer he pointed out a new Dodge Magnum, which we both agreed is one of the ugliest incarnations ever produced, and an example of the mindless american auto industry and it''s 20-second attention span. Who buys that garbage and why? The Griswald's 'Road Queen' in National Lampoon's Vacation has more style and better corner handling than most new american cars.

5-minutes later we passed a mint condition 1958' Corvette, black, with pearl inlay, and nearly causing several accidents as other motorists gawked in amazement. My friend nearly choked on his hambuger when he saw the Vette' and began waving his finger like a sword; "see that...now explain to me how American engineers can produce a vehicle that bloody gorgeous and making BMW/Mercedes look like AMC, and yet where did you all go wrong?"

I didn't have an answer for him.

i believe it's called EPA regulations and the end of the muscle car era?

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Differences:

Z06-$63,000

Euro-Well over $200k

Take that extra money and put it in the Z06 and those damn euros dont stand a chance. Google that Z06 and watch some videos you will see that it outperforms alot of euros. Watch this video, you will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE


Has a huge price difference and still outperforms it.

Wow, wicked car, however did you listen to the whole video?. Clarkson didnt rate the car at the end, all the faults, hard ride, noisey, trim, radio etc....when will the americans get it right? GM copied the shape of the 570, but fell over with the rest, too bad!

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Ricers shouldn't be claiming they can hang with Vipers and Corvettes with their Civics and Sentras then turn around and talk about EVOs and NSXs when they get their ass kicked.

No, they can just drive their cars for 5 years and have a higher resale value because they're still on the same head gasket. Were Chevy engineers so lazy they had to rip off an Acura NSX for the body style of the new Vette'?

I was taking a lunch this summer with a consultant friend of mine who's also a car enthusiast, and and a native Brit with a big mouth and more than happy to point out the shortcomings of American engineering. Thank god his London accent is so heavy most american's cant understand him and hence don't take a swing at him.

Case in point; while on lunch this summer he pointed out a new Dodge Magnum, which we both agreed is one of the ugliest incarnations ever produced, and an example of the mindless american auto industry and it''s 20-second attention span. Who buys that garbage and why? The Griswald's 'Road Queen' in National Lampoon's Vacation has more style and better corner handling than most new american cars.

5-minutes later we passed a mint condition 1958' Corvette, black, with pearl inlay, and nearly causing several accidents as other motorists gawked in amazement. My friend nearly choked on his hambuger when he saw the Vette' and began waving his finger like a sword; "see that...now explain to me how American engineers can produce a vehicle that bloody gorgeous and making BMW/Mercedes look like AMC, and yet where did you all go wrong?"

I didn't have an answer for him.

I don't know which car you are talking about but I'm pushing my Ford 4.6 modular on close to 20 lbs boost on stock head gaskets on a daily driver and I have close to 60,000 miles with nary a complaint. Anyhow I don't recall anything in that post having to do with reliability or degradation of Japanese cars as they are built from the factory. I was talking about how ridiculous ricers are and why the video could be considered fair. (the term ricer itself is defined and extends well beyond imports, though in the context of the video economic Japanese cars seem to be the focus)

I also have a Toyota with 140,000 miles that's never had anything more than timing belt and water pump changed twice, oil changes, etc. Hell it even has the factory stock plugs, hoses, etc, and has never had injector cleaner pumped through it and it runs as well as the day I bought it. Oh yeah all the front timing cover seals were replaced at 130,000 miles due to leaking oil (oil pump seal hard as rock) and a new clutch at 125,000 miles, done at the same time as the outer front CV boots... hmm I keep remembering more, but still, all basic maintenence on normal wearing parts.

And 20 seconds? He gives the average American sheeple more credit than I do...
I mean come on are people that dazzled and entertained by bleeping rotating phones and commercials that might as well feature Barney promoting Viagra? I don't even have network TV, just DVD and video games. Even adult oriented network TV feels like it was made for 3 yr olds. 'OMG my door knob talks to me its sooooo cool!!!' Refridgerators with TVs? I've started to see flashing brake lights in newer cars... give me a fvcking break. That wil just cause more accidents because the idiot not paying attention will "oh dar dee dar look at the shiny blinking at me heeeeeeeeeee *BAM*" "

I don't have an answer for you either, sorry to say.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Ricers shouldn't be claiming they can hang with Vipers and Corvettes with their Civics and Sentras then turn around and talk about EVOs and NSXs when they get their ass kicked.

No, they can just drive their cars for 5 years and have a higher resale value because they're still on the same head gasket. Were Chevy engineers so lazy they had to rip off an Acura NSX for the body style of the new Vette'?

I was taking a lunch this summer with a consultant friend of mine who's also a car enthusiast, and and a native Brit with a big mouth and more than happy to point out the shortcomings of American engineering. Thank god his London accent is so heavy most american's cant understand him and hence don't take a swing at him.

Case in point; while on lunch this summer he pointed out a new Dodge Magnum, which we both agreed is one of the ugliest incarnations ever produced, and an example of the mindless american auto industry and it''s 20-second attention span. Who buys that garbage and why? The Griswald's 'Road Queen' in National Lampoon's Vacation has more style and better corner handling than most new american cars.

5-minutes later we passed a mint condition 1958' Corvette, black, with pearl inlay, and nearly causing several accidents as other motorists gawked in amazement. My friend nearly choked on his hambuger when he saw the Vette' and began waving his finger like a sword; "see that...now explain to me how American engineers can produce a vehicle that bloody gorgeous and making BMW/Mercedes look like AMC, and yet where did you all go wrong?"

I didn't have an answer for him.

I don't know which car you are talking about but I'm pushing my Ford 4.6 modular on close to 20 lbs boost on stock head gaskets on a daily driver and I have close to 60,000 miles with nary a complaint. Anyhow I don't recall anything in that post having to do with reliability or degradation of Japanese cars as they are built from the factory. I was talking about how ridiculous ricers are and why the video could be considered fair. (the term ricer itself is defined and extends well beyond imports, though in the context of the video economic Japanese cars seem to be the focus)

I also have a Toyota with 140,000 miles that's never had anything more than timing belt and water pump changed twice, oil changes, etc. Hell it even has the factory stock plugs, hoses, etc, and has never had injector cleaner pumped through it and it runs as well as the day I bought it. Oh yeah all the front timing cover seals were replaced at 130,000 miles due to leaking oil (oil pump seal hard as rock) and a new clutch at 125,000 miles, done at the same time as the outer front CV boots... hmm I keep remembering more, but still, all basic maintenence on normal wearing parts.

And 20 seconds? He gives the average American sheeple more credit than I do...
I mean come on are people that dazzled and entertained by bleeping rotating phones and commercials that might as well feature Barney promoting Viagra? I don't even have network TV, just DVD and video games. Even adult oriented network TV feels like it was made for 3 yr olds. 'OMG my door knob talks to me its sooooo cool!!!' Refridgerators with TVs? I've started to see flashing brake lights in newer cars... give me a fvcking break. That wil just cause more accidents because the idiot not paying attention will "oh dar dee dar look at the shiny blinking at me heeeeeeeeeee *BAM*" "

I don't have an answer for you either, sorry to say.

Just like to point out that hte magnum does have good handling. Big =! sluggish (though it can).

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

I didn't think so, and thats the only reason why you will never see the video you desire of them getting their asses rightfully kicked.

Pretty much any 650cc Japanese street bike will waste a hyper exotic American Sports car in a quarter mile, and most of the references you refer to are nothing but straight line acceleration anyways. My dads'71' Cuda could do 0-60 in less than three seconds and pin any adult's head to the seat like an F-14 launching off an aircraft carrier. Still, the average minivan could take a corner better than he could.

Pardon me, but I prefer cars that have better performance than a bowling ball dropped off a parking ramp, and better handling. This excludes 99% of any modern american sports cars, which are better referred to as 'low profile SUV's'.

Nice that you totally ignored the context of my post, which was justifying the video (best domestics vs. poor imports) as legit if the people in the poor imports were saying their cars were better than the best domestics. And I said that you won't see the opposite (poor domestics vs best imports) beacause generally people with poor domestics don't play dress up and talk the sh1t the way people with poor imports do.

Anything you implied about any particular car you extrapolated yourself, and note that I used Civics and Sentras as place holders for poor imports, being they are not meant to be high performance cars. The fact that you've mentioned Acura in your previous post tells me that you rank those two cars on the low end of the imports as well.

Funny you mention bikes, have you ever seen a 3,700 lb 9 second car pull away from a Yamaha R6? Scary sh1t. How about that same car riding ass and even passing Corvettes and BMWs in closed road courses, arguably among the best handling production cars in the world?

Granted not every American car is a SVT Cobra or Corvette, but then not every Honda is a Acura NSX or Toyota Supra either. :roll:

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

I didn't think so, and thats the only reason why you will never see the video you desire of them getting their asses rightfully kicked.

Pretty much any 650cc Japanese street bike will waste a hyper exotic American Sports car in a quarter mile, and most of the references you refer to are nothing but straight line acceleration anyways. My dads'71' Cuda could do 0-60 in less than three seconds and pin any adult's head to the seat like an F-14 launching off an aircraft carrier. Still, the average minivan could take a corner better than he could.

Pardon me, but I prefer cars that have better performance than a bowling ball dropped off a parking ramp, and better handling. This excludes 99% of any modern american sports cars, which are better referred to as 'low profile SUV's'.

Of course a 650cc bike isin't hauling around the items even a 2 seater sports car has
to (ie: a chassis, body etc.) so it's simply a HP/weight issue there. Also what kind of
'cuda could get to 60 in LESS than 3 seconds?? even the 426 hemi powered one
wasen't THAT fast.....0 to 60 times

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Differences:

Z06-$63,000

Euro-Well over $200k

Take that extra money and put it in the Z06 and those damn euros dont stand a chance. Google that Z06 and watch some videos you will see that it outperforms alot of euros. Watch this video, you will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE


Has a huge price difference and still outperforms it.

Wow, wicked car, however did you listen to the whole video?. Clarkson didnt rate the car at the end, all the faults, hard ride, noisey, trim, radio etc....when will the americans get it right? GM copied the shape of the 570, but fell over with the rest, too bad!

They also seem to have fallen well short of the Ferrari's $220k price tag. Oh, and the Ferrari has about 700 extra lbs that are nowhere to be found on the Z06. But, I'm sure the 10 extra horsepower that the Ferrari has on the Z06 more than makes up for it. :roll:

Fact: Clarkson is an avid American car hater. He will bash anything for any reason, as long as it is American.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Fact: Clarkson is an avid American car hater. He will bash anything for any reason, as long as it is American.

Who's to blame him? Any logical person would.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

I didn't think so, and thats the only reason why you will never see the video you desire of them getting their asses rightfully kicked.

Pretty much any 650cc Japanese street bike will waste a hyper exotic American Sports car in a quarter mile, and most of the references you refer to are nothing but straight line acceleration anyways. My dads'71' Cuda could do 0-60 in less than three seconds and pin any adult's head to the seat like an F-14 launching off an aircraft carrier. Still, the average minivan could take a corner better than he could.

Pardon me, but I prefer cars that have better performance than a bowling ball dropped off a parking ramp, and better handling. This excludes 99% of any modern american sports cars, which are better referred to as 'low profile SUV's'.

Of course a 650cc bike isin't hauling around the items even a 2 seater sports car has
to (ie: a chassis, body etc.) so it's simply a HP/weight issue there. Also what kind of
'cuda could get to 60 in LESS than 3 seconds?? even the 426 hemi powered one
wasen't THAT fast.....0 to 60 times

No need to justify the speed of a sport bike compared to a passenger car. Basic intake/exhaust/pulley/tuned Terminators with stock Eatons pull on sport bikes on a regular basis, with 4 seats and AC Not sure with passengers, never tried it *snicker*

Some sweet tunes though, Kenne Bell at max RPM blowing air out a Bassani exhaust, resonating with the sound of a WOT sport bike 2 lanes over... mmm

*bikes are obviously drag limited at top end BTW in case anyone is wondering how a car, crazy horsepower aside, can beat a street bike.*

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Differences:

Z06-$63,000

Euro-Well over $200k

Take that extra money and put it in the Z06 and those damn euros dont stand a chance. Google that Z06 and watch some videos you will see that it outperforms alot of euros. Watch this video, you will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE


Has a huge price difference and still outperforms it.

Wow, wicked car, however did you listen to the whole video?. Clarkson didnt rate the car at the end, all the faults, hard ride, noisey, trim, radio etc....when will the americans get it right? GM copied the shape of the 570, but fell over with the rest, too bad!

They also seem to have fallen well short of the Ferrari's $220k price tag. Oh, and the Ferrari has about 700 extra lbs that are nowhere to be found on the Z06. But, I'm sure the 10 extra horsepower that the Ferrari has on the Z06 more than makes up for it. :roll:

Fact: Clarkson is an avid American car hater. He will bash anything for any reason, as long as it is American.

erh, missing the point mate.....who cares about the power, price etc...the car has a crap hard ride, too noisey!, what about the finishing touches. Yes the Ferrari is over priced, they always have been, but only the rich will buy one, where as, more poeple will end up with the trash!

 

[BUTCH1]

If you want a "soft" ride get a crown vic. It's impossible to spring a car to give a soft
ride that won't body roll when cornering.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
you should see gatsby's definition of what a "supercar" is

His Volvo is totally supercar material.

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
If you want a "soft" ride get a crown vic. It's impossible to spring a car to give a soft
ride that won't body roll when cornering.

Yet the Europeans can!

Whats the car in the video (red & black) at 2.06?. looks well staunch!

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Differences:

Z06-$63,000

Euro-Well over $200k

Take that extra money and put it in the Z06 and those damn euros dont stand a chance. Google that Z06 and watch some videos you will see that it outperforms alot of euros. Watch this video, you will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE


Has a huge price difference and still outperforms it.

Wow, wicked car, however did you listen to the whole video?. Clarkson didnt rate the car at the end, all the faults, hard ride, noisey, trim, radio etc....when will the americans get it right? GM copied the shape of the 570, but fell over with the rest, too bad!

They also seem to have fallen well short of the Ferrari's $220k price tag. Oh, and the Ferrari has about 700 extra lbs that are nowhere to be found on the Z06. But, I'm sure the 10 extra horsepower that the Ferrari has on the Z06 more than makes up for it. :roll:

Fact: Clarkson is an avid American car hater. He will bash anything for any reason, as long as it is American.

erh, missing the point mate.....who cares about the power, price etc...

everybody who's NOT filthy rich?[/i]

the car has a crap hard ride, too noisey!, what about the finishing touches.

It's a sports car - most buyers of this type of car know what they're getting. These buyers would rather have a car that was 300lbs lighter than a car with 300lbs of sound deadening $hit in it. They would rather have a car with a somewhat harsh ride that handles amazingly, than a car with a floaty ride that plows around turns. You want a cushy quiet ride, buy a Lexus. Plus, "finishing touches" as you put it can cost a lot of money, which would take the Z06 away from the "bang-for-buck" icon that it is.

Yes the Ferrari is over priced, they always have been, but only the rich will buy one, where as, more poeple will end up with the trash!

"Only the rich will buy one" Exactly. Where does that leave the 99.8 % of us who aren't rich? Kudos to Chevrolet for building a car with the kind of performance numbers the Z06 puts out and keeping it at a relatively affordable price point. And LMAO at the idea of a car with the Z06's specs / price point being considered "trash." Regardless of it's price / performance ratio, it's still a $70k car.

I dare you to name ONE other stock production car with a warranty that rivals the Z06 for $70k. No "what-ifs" or "buy xx and mod it", etc.

I'll save you the trouble - there isn't one.

 

[SolMiester]

How about the GM GTO Monaro?

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
How about the GM GTO Monaro?

Nice car, very fast, even if the styling is a bit bland. But not even close to the Z06.