American Cars vs. Imports

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: d2arcturus
Yeah yeah, acceleration, speed. Who cares. Give me cornering.

Oh and for the record, I despise Japanese cars. Especially the "tuner" pop culture fad.

Cornering is all fine and dandy as long as you aren't using it as an excuse for not having acceleration and speed I'll take acceleration any day in a daily city and highway driver. IRS and cornering is just a bonus.

Just about any car can handle silky smooth in a corner making a right turn at 20 mph but whats the point if it takes you 5 minutes to get to 65 mph after you complete the turn? :roll:

Japanese cars are not bad at all, its the wannabe 'tuners' that suck. A Civic is a fine reliable car when it doesn't have a wing and a fart can on it. Even a bone stock Civic with only a 225+ HP N/A B20 swap isn't bad; where can you get a factory FWD 4 banger with 225+ HP? Not a beast like a '03 Cobra but less frustrating as a commuter car than a 75 HP Civic or 120 HP Corolla lol.

Well, the SRT4 Neon (soon to be the crossfire) hits that one nice.

I LOVE MY SRT-4 ACR :thumbsup:



*puts on flame suit*

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
If you want a "soft" ride get a crown vic. It's impossible to spring a car to give a soft
ride that won't body roll when cornering.

Yet the Europeans can!

Whats the car in the video (red & black) at 2.06?. looks well staunch!

No they can't(you mean dont, but they do), they have the same laws of physics as everyone else. If they appear to be doing both, its because a particular car is a well rounded comprimised jack of all trades master of none.

Oh sorry, I must be talking to the guy who's driven every car out there.

I'll tell ya straight up mate, American cars suck big time, all power, no finesse, no comfort and no style for the most part.

You have produced some exceptions to be sure, but more than not end up spoiling it cause your so wet.

If you think about it, the Jap's and Europeans are the only ones who has successfully exported there cars around the world because they make a better job of finishing it, and thats your prove

I meant what I said: can't implies it's not possible at all, don't implies that they could if they wanted but choose not to. You can't pick and choose what laws of physics apply to you.

You cannot make a single car with a single suspension system that can both out perform a 4x4 in cornering in pothole covered streets and still handle like a Ferrari at 200 mph sustained on a F1 track or break acceleration records.

Even with adjustable systems there are only so many parameters that can be adjusted without replacing cold hard parts suited to a specific purpose. Some cars may be balanced from the factory to do well enough at both for anyone to care, but they will be the best at neither. Even high end custom BMW and AMG tunes typically have aftermarket suspension components.

As for our imports being greater than our exports, that's true for most things considering we have a capitalistic and materialistic society that demands more tangible goods than any other nation in the world. Look at our trade deficit with China; China does not export automobiles so the US. We have the most automobiles in the world of any nation by orders of magnatude; if I was a foriegn car builder I'd be looking to export to the US as well.

In all honesty if an all new American or Japanese car was made in absolute secret, and exported to Europe under a native European brand name, I wonder if anyone would notice, and even then would they b1tch about the smallest problem knowing it wasn't domestic? No single car in the world is made in-house anymore anyway. How many TI and Motorola chips programmed in India are inside that Sony stereo in your European Mercedes? etc. As far as I recall our 2006 Toyota Avalon is made entirely in the US and designed by US engineers for a US market.

Man, you are still missing the point!!, I am saying that their are car manufacturers that build cars with very good handling yet still manage to have a comfortable ride. The Z06, while handling well, was not as comfortable as others...Jeez

As to your Import/export quality, I have no idea, and will accept your word on that.

As to the S/C VXR being quicker than the Z06, of course it is for good reason. I was trying to say that you dont have to throw a big 7L motor in to get the acceleration/power/speed and wonder why they do.

Anyway, doubt the Z06 will make it over here anyway. We dont get the S/C version of the VXR either.

 

[MrX8503]

The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

i didnt see their lap times anywhere in the article... wtf

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I'd like to compare top speeds of Euro cars with top speeds of those hillbilly American cars.

Euro cars would reign supreme every time. American cars just aren't built solid enough to sustain extreme speeds, that's why the rednecks who own them always put acceleration over topspeed. Who cares about acceleration.

First of all roads that are safe to drive at extreme speeds are very very rare. I know that most of the roads where I live if you hit any of the bumps or sinks in the pavement, at 200 you'd probably lose control or get some air.. in a bad way. So maybe if you have access to an airplane runway or some well maintained pavement you could possibly enjoy 200+ but good luck finding that.

Last time I checked acceleration is what gets you to the top speed, so personally I care about top speed. Also acceleration can be enjoyed pretty much anywhere.

As far as built being built more solid than American cars? Have you ever worked on a classic American car, like the ones shown in this video? They are solid pieces of metal.

By the way I drive a 1995 BMW 540i and honestly would never buy an American car (except for the trucks), but comparing cars by their top speed means nothing what so ever.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

i didnt see their lap times anywhere in the article... wtf

The lap times are in the PDF file they have linked in the yellow table.

 

[BUTCH1]

My roommate had a triumph TR6 that handled well when he could keep it running.
but every electrical system had problems. he spent a fourtune trying to keep it
going, basicly a good performing pile of dung. And oh, lets not forget the diesel
mercedes that can go 400K before a rebuild. I for one belive it's true but who-in
-the-hell could stand that racket and stank for that long. Woops, forgot one, the
YUGO- directly from europe and the biggest POS to ever appear on a showroom
floor, bar none....

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: MrX8503

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

i didnt see their lap times anywhere in the article... wtf

The lap times are in the PDF file they have linked in the yellow table.

aha, thanks

 

[YBS1]

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

Be careful when viewing the performance times listed in that R&T article, there is something very important that for some reason R&T glossed over and/or failed to mention, but is listed in the fine print in the pdf. The Ferrari and Lamborghini were both wearing Comp-R tires, while the Porsche, Corvette, Viper and Ford GT were all on their U.S. spec street tires. Crap like this pisses me off, it's not so different than challenging someone to a foot race and throwing a tack in his shoe before it begins. :|

 

[Roush2960]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
so how do those cars automatically have armor-all everywhere on the interior?

They don't, the owners do that. Every owner of these sort of cars I've met seems to LOVE to put Armor-All on the seats (where Armor-All does not belong). It's true, I've seen it a million times. I just wondered why. I think it's moronic.

I would never use Armor-All on my Roush. I would not use it on any car. Its alcohol based and dryes out the dashes.

And what's wrong with the GTs Corvettes? THey're cheap on the inside. They're basically rehashed interior parts (same steering wheel, radio, handles, knobs, etc) as in every other car in each company's line up.

Thats not true either. My roush has yet to be taken to its top speed but it has been very very close to three times the speed limit and still had more pull.
You want to see what I am talking about. Google image search my user name.

I have played with all kinda of exotics and american "Muscle" cars and have had fun with them all. None have left me standing.

You may not like the american cars but there not the slow cars your thinking them to be.

 

[fubar569]

so what are the crazy euros doing today? oh thats right...us americans are busy getting our fill of beer, turkey and football (real football)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!

oh...go dolphins?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: fubar569
so what are the crazy euros doing today? oh thats right...us americans are busy getting our fill of beer, turkey and football (real football)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!

oh...go dolphins?

Fvck beer and football. The world is falling apart and all anybody cares about is the damn stuporbowl.

AR AR ARRRRR WOOT WOOT *gag*

Part of what is wrong with America. TV, shopping malls, the latest cell phone, sweaty overpaid fags throwing balls around, and the latest Hollywood scandal are all the American sheeple have the attention span to handle anymore.

 

[fubar569]

nah...i realize all that is wrong with the world...but it is the one day i get paid overtime, plus get free food and beer...can't beat that ****** with a stick

 

[bobsmith1492]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: fubar569
so what are the crazy euros doing today? oh thats right...us americans are busy getting our fill of beer, turkey and football (real football)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!

oh...go dolphins?

Fvck beer and football. The world is falling apart and all anybody cares about is the damn stuporbowl.

AR AR ARRRRR WOOT WOOT *gag*

Part of what is wrong with America. TV, shopping malls, the latest cell phone, sweaty overpaid fags throwing balls around, and the latest Hollywood scandal are all the American sheeple have the attention span to handle anymore.

Wow, I don't know what "America" you're talking about, but I'm sure glad I've never been there. (Michigander here)

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: fubar569
so what are the crazy euros doing today? oh thats right...us americans are busy getting our fill of beer, turkey and football (real football)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!

oh...go dolphins?

Fvck beer and football. The world is falling apart and all anybody cares about is the damn stuporbowl.

AR AR ARRRRR WOOT WOOT *gag*

Part of what is wrong with America. TV, shopping malls, the latest cell phone, sweaty overpaid fags throwing balls around, and the latest Hollywood scandal are all the American sheeple have the attention span to handle anymore.

Yeah you're right... we should all go build bombshelters, and cry together about how the world is ending... God forbid people should live their lives...

Idiots like you don't have any concept of what's really important in life. LIVING.

-Max

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: YBS1

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

Be careful when viewing the performance times listed in that R&T article, there is something very important that for some reason R&T glossed over and/or failed to mention, but is listed in the fine print in the pdf. The Ferrari and Lamborghini were both wearing Comp-R tires, while the Porsche, Corvette, Viper and Ford GT were all on their U.S. spec street tires. Crap like this pisses me off, it's not so different than challenging someone to a foot race and throwing a tack in his shoe before it begins. :|

damn, good catch. That does blow, the two fastest cars in lap times had track tires.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: YBS1

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

Be careful when viewing the performance times listed in that R&T article, there is something very important that for some reason R&T glossed over and/or failed to mention, but is listed in the fine print in the pdf. The Ferrari and Lamborghini were both wearing Comp-R tires, while the Porsche, Corvette, Viper and Ford GT were all on their U.S. spec street tires. Crap like this pisses me off, it's not so different than challenging someone to a foot race and throwing a tack in his shoe before it begins. :|

damn, good catch. That does blow, the two fastest cars in lap times had track tires.

Well that just shows that even without track tires, the American Cars still kept up.

IMO, i just think euro fans are mad that American cars can perform just as well as their 200-500k sports cars.

 

[fubar569]

Originally posted by: MrX8503

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: YBS1

Originally posted by: MrX8503
The bias in this thread sure is strong.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3768

America vs Europe article from road and track.

For those who think American cars cant compete need to read up.

Be careful when viewing the performance times listed in that R&T article, there is something very important that for some reason R&T glossed over and/or failed to mention, but is listed in the fine print in the pdf. The Ferrari and Lamborghini were both wearing Comp-R tires, while the Porsche, Corvette, Viper and Ford GT were all on their U.S. spec street tires. Crap like this pisses me off, it's not so different than challenging someone to a foot race and throwing a tack in his shoe before it begins. :|

damn, good catch. That does blow, the two fastest cars in lap times had track tires.

Well that just shows that even without track tires, the American Cars still kept up.

IMO, i just think euro fans are mad that American cars can perform just as well as their 200-500k sports cars.

im with this guy

infact, since ferrari prolly had the whole frickin F1 division out there tuning the damn thing between runs...lets send over a new ZO6 - tracked prepped of course, with the crew from the C6-R car, a little bit of GM backing, slap some track rubber on there and let it rip loose. i have 20 bucks that says we win...

 

[Estrella]

85' Toyota Celica Convertible GT-S ftw! rofl.