American Cars vs. Imports

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Atheus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c

I like how they spent the entire telling of how it's "trying" to be taken seriously, implying Corvettes are typically not, which is true. And Clarkson said it best in that video:

"As something to live with every day, I'd rather have bird-flu."

It's made like crap. Terrible ride, cheaply engineered, cheap interior, cheap exterior. It's just a powerful engine in a lightweight frame, nothing else. No engineering marvels, no technology, no nothing.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
I live in FL and Armour all or other products similar are used by a LOT of
people to help prevent UV damage. My car has leather so I use a conditioner
on it once a week. If you were/are lucky enough to own a BOSS 302 'stang
would you just let the sun dry and crack the dash and seats??? I don't think so....

What I'm saying you don't want to put ARMOR-ALL on the seats and grease them up. They make special products you can apply to leather seats to protect it from the sun while keeping it looking and feeling like normal, dry leather, not like a wet noodle.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Naustica
C6 Z06 top speed is 200+ mph.

198mph, Which is pathetic for something claiming to be a "top of the line sports car."

pathetic? ROFL.

A) i'd like to see you build a better car

B) when it leaves ferraris and lambos in the dust, i'd hardly call it "pathetic"

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Atheus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c

I like how they spent the entire telling of how it's "trying" to be taken seriously, implying Corvettes are typically not, which is true. And Clarkson said it best in that video:

"As something to live with every day, I'd rather have bird-flu."

It's made like crap. Terrible ride, cheaply engineered, cheap interior, cheap exterior. It's just a powerful engine in a lightweight frame, nothing else. No engineering marvels, no technology, no nothing.

Corvette is an icon

here what you worship

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Top speed is great for an authobahn, in realioty where in America are you going to use it. Acelaeration from stop light to stop light is what American roads are made for.

In reality, where are you going to use acceleration? From one stop sign to the next? You're still breaking the law if you're burning rubber on a street or speeding, what's the difference?

American cars simply CANNOT hang in terms of top speed. I don't think an American car has ever been made that could do 200mph stock right off the lot, let alone the 220mph+ (a few 240+) some Euro cars are doing.

It's a good thing you don't think too much. Ford GT. Thanks.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
B) when it leaves ferraris and lambos in the dust, i'd hardly call it "pathetic"

Err, I don't think it actually does that... Maybe it can beat some lower-end Ferraris in a straight line, but almost any would beat it on a track. It's not a fair comparison though, because of price, as others have said.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
B) when it leaves ferraris and lambos in the dust, i'd hardly call it "pathetic"

Err, I don't think it actually does that... Maybe it can beat some lower-end Ferraris in a straight line, but almost any would beat it on a track. It's not a fair comparison though, because of price, as others have said.

the Z06 beats an F430... and a "lower end" italian car is STILL significantly more expensive

 

[Horus]

Are you on crack? Seriously? That is FVCKING RETARDEDLY FAST OMGZ. The Aston Martin DB-9, which is an incredibly sexy sports-car which costs quite a bit more than the Corvette, costs also, oh, TWICE AS MUCH?

Seriously. Correct your cranial-rectal inversion.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: bctbct
Calm down guys the important thing to remember is that I can take a tow chain and hook it onto the frame of any European/Japaneese POS and drag it to the nearest ditch with my Chevy truck.

Torque is what you need.

So you got that job as tow truck driver after all.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: bctbct
Calm down guys the important thing to remember is that I can take a tow chain and hook it onto the frame of any European/Japaneese POS and drag it to the nearest ditch with my Chevy truck.

Torque is what you need.

So you got that job as tow truck driver after all.

ha, a 10 yo S-10 could drag a civic across the parking lot.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Naustica
C6 Z06 top speed is 200+ mph.

198mph, Which is pathetic for something claiming to be a "top of the line sports car."

I'm pretty sure the top speed on the Corvette is electronically limited.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Atheus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c

I like how they spent the entire telling of how it's "trying" to be taken seriously, implying Corvettes are typically not, which is true. And Clarkson said it best in that video:

"As something to live with every day, I'd rather have bird-flu."

It's made like crap. Terrible ride, cheaply engineered, cheap interior, cheap exterior. It's just a powerful engine in a lightweight frame, nothing else. No engineering marvels, no technology, no nothing.

Z06 is a track car. It's not designed for regular street driving.

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I'd like to compare top speeds of Euro cars with top speeds of those hillbilly American cars.

Euro cars would reign supreme every time. American cars just aren't built solid enough to sustain extreme speeds, that's why the rednecks who own them always put acceleration over topspeed. Who cares about acceleration.

I've cruised in my ~20 year old american car at ~110 for a good half hour straight, and it handled it perfectly. That's about as fast as you can get away with in the US, where we have speed limits. I'm sure the car could have handled much more, but didn't want to test that theory. I've also hit ~140 (speedo indicated) in the same car, without any problems.

Acceleration (at least in the US) is valued much more than top speed because as others have said, where will you ever (legally) see top speed on US roads? Acceleration comes into play EVERY DAY - when merging, passing, accelerating from a light, etc.

I love your blanket generalizations about how all domestic car owners are "hillbillies" and "rednecks". :roll: You have got to be the biggest snob / elitist on this board.

Oh, and for the record...my "POS domestic" has 146k on it. Everything on the car works perfectly, although the motor had to be replaced because the guy I bought it from drove around with a failed water pump and overheated it daily for months before selling it.

I also have a Honda of similar vintage with 122k miles on it that has had more problems than anything I've ever owned. Engine. Transmission. Intake gasket. Firewall / trunk water leaks. Axles. Suspension. It just never ends.

 

[alkemyst]

I think any car thread here should require the poster has a DL and owned at least the type of car they are debating.

The misinformation here is scary.

 

[RedArmy]

Every single thread I have ever read on any car site (especially streetfire) have ALWAYS degenerated into these lame arguments where everyone argues over the stupidest sh1t.

Every car has it's own purpose. One car will always have an advantage over the other whether it be interior room, gas mileage, looks, speed, acceleration, torque, reliability, price, etc. etc.

Comment on the video itself if it has shortcomings, don't start bashing each other because that's just stupid.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I'd like to compare top speeds of Euro cars with top speeds of those hillbilly American cars.

Euro cars would reign supreme every time. American cars just aren't built solid enough to sustain extreme speeds, that's why the rednecks who own them always put acceleration over topspeed. Who cares about acceleration.

Who gives a damn about top speed? It's all about the acceleration. The push you back in your seat g-forces, the feel of all those horses under your right foot, just waiting to run fast.

Yea, acceleration's definitely where it's at, and you're a toolbox.

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

McLaren F1, 240.18 mph....

I do believe this is American and performs as such off the showroom floor.

I always thought McLaren was British. Either way, Saleen is definitely american, and they are definitely very fast cars.

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
so how do those cars automatically have armor-all everywhere on the interior?

They don't, the owners do that. Every owner of these sort of cars I've met seems to LOVE to put Armor-All on the seats (where Armor-All does not belong).

My mother does this and she owns one of your precious imports.

 

[DaWhim]

consumers vote with their money. I drive an import.

 

[iversonyin]

Another typical American "i got all the power and torque" vs Japanese "rice and puny crap". Give me a break. Why not compare a Malibu with and NSX while we at it?

How about Nissan Skyline R34 vs Ford Focus?

How about bringing in the Germans here? How about bringing in Lambo and Ferrari vs Mustang?

You drive whatever you want to drive and whatever you can afford...why make fun of what other people drive? (yea, stupid spoilers look ridiculous...but i've seen riced mustangs)

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: funboy42
Give me my good old ameriam muscle over an import any day. I can work on it myself and parts are super cheap. On my 88 Firebird a engine will be less then $500 and take about 1 hour to swap. Its fast off the line and takes corners still with the best of the imports. She will do over 120 MPH, which, in America is enough that if I get pulled over to have my license taken away for a few years and my car impounded. Top speed is rather useless here in America. Off the line and cornering is where it is at and there are a lot of American cars that can do this just fine enough. So for me Hillbilly American Muscle easy to fix, parts are a dime a dozen, and in most cases repairs are done faster on an American Car then an Import. Thats fine by me. Keep buying them other cars and keeping my American cars on the cheap so I can continue to afford them

WHOA! '88 'Bird? 170 HP from 5 liters... pure muscle! i can just imagine what that's like off the line. do you need to wear depends to experience that? i bet if you bounce it off the limiter and drop the clutch, you even get a little bit of wheelspin! Dukes o' Hazzard, baybee! i bet you can even beat a 1988 Honda Civic 4WD Station Wagon in a drag race with that puppy! and the civic has 4WD so it has the advantage! plus, think of all the fine babes you can pick up in that thing. top off the oil, rev that 5.0 to attract them like flies, top off the oil again, drive them to KFC, top off the oil again, drive them out in the woods, show 'em what you got, top off the oil again, drive them back to the corner where you picked them up, top off the oil, call the tow truck, and get a ride home in style. man, give me a good old american muscle car any day.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another typical American "i got all the power and torque" vs Japanese "rice and puny crap". Give me a break. Why not compare a Malibu with and NSX while we at it?

How about Nissan Skyline R34 vs Ford Focus?

How about bringing in the Germans here? How about bringing in Lambo and Ferrari vs Mustang?

You drive whatever you want to drive and whatever you can afford...why make fun of what other people drive? (yea, stupid spoilers look ridiculous...but i've seen riced mustangs)

so how is an NSX vs. a malibu a valid comparison? american cars typically have more torque than foreign counterparts, at least in the performance category. example: audi RS4 develops 414hp and 317 lb-ft of torque, whereas a chrysler 300 SRT-8 offers 425hp (roughly the same) but 420 lb-ft of torque.

and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

I'm sure his mother drives him to school everday in her Chrysler minivan.

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: funboy42
Give me my good old ameriam muscle over an import any day. I can work on it myself and parts are super cheap. On my 88 Firebird a engine will be less then $500 and take about 1 hour to swap. Its fast off the line and takes corners still with the best of the imports. She will do over 120 MPH, which, in America is enough that if I get pulled over to have my license taken away for a few years and my car impounded. Top speed is rather useless here in America. Off the line and cornering is where it is at and there are a lot of American cars that can do this just fine enough. So for me Hillbilly American Muscle easy to fix, parts are a dime a dozen, and in most cases repairs are done faster on an American Car then an Import. Thats fine by me. Keep buying them other cars and keeping my American cars on the cheap so I can continue to afford them

WHOA! '88 'Bird? 170 HP from 5 liters... pure muscle! i can just imagine what that's like off the line. do you need to wear depends to experience that? i bet if you bounce it off the limiter and drop the clutch, you even get a little bit of wheelspin! Dukes o' Hazzard, baybee! i bet you can even beat a 1988 Honda Civic 4WD Station Wagon in a drag race with that puppy! and the civic has 4WD so it has the advantage! plus, think of all the fine babes you can pick up in that thing. top off the oil, rev that 5.0 to attract them like flies, top off the oil again, drive them to KFC, top off the oil again, drive them out in the woods, show 'em what you got, top off the oil again, drive them back to the corner where you picked them up, top off the oil, call the tow truck, and get a ride home in style. man, give me a good old american muscle car any day.

LOL. You have got to be one of the biggest import fanboys here. Let me guess - you drive a Civic with a spoiler on it. But, just for grins...since you brought it up, let's take a look-see at what the Honda Civic had to offer in 1988. Hmmm...A series of engines ranging from 62 - 105 hp. But you're right, one of those screamers would probably blow the doors off of anything some crappy US manufacturer could come up with. I would find a Honda V-8 car to compare, but...it doesn't seem Honda has ever made a car with a V8! :Q

And for the record - the 170hp TBI 305 was the base V8 in those cars. The cars with the 235 hp TPI 350 were some of the fastest new cars available at the time.

Please, get a clue before you open your mouth.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

You should know, I brought it up a thousand times in the past. I have a 1337 Infiniti QX4, which is like a Pathfinder, only 100 times better.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

You should know, I brought it up a thousand times in the past. I have a 1337 Infiniti QX4, which is like a Pathfinder, only 100 times better.

so, because you own a 1337 QX4 (not just any ordinary one), you know all about ferraris, lambos, corvettes, and other performance vehicles?

at least my vw passat is closer to a lambo/ferrari/vette than your qx4 is

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another typical American "i got all the power and torque" vs Japanese "rice and puny crap". Give me a break. Why not compare a Malibu with and NSX while we at it?

How about Nissan Skyline R34 vs Ford Focus?

How about bringing in the Germans here? How about bringing in Lambo and Ferrari vs Mustang?

You drive whatever you want to drive and whatever you can afford...why make fun of what other people drive? (yea, stupid spoilers look ridiculous...but i've seen riced mustangs)

so how is an NSX vs. a malibu a valid comparison? american cars typically have more torque than foreign counterparts, at least in the performance category. example: audi RS4 develops 414hp and 317 lb-ft of torque, whereas a chrysler 300 SRT-8 offers 425hp (roughly the same) but 420 lb-ft of torque.

and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

Tunned 4.2L V8 vs a 6.1L V8.

Not to mention the 8250 rpm redline.

The RS4 also gets more HP per cylinder.