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Fenixgoon

Lifer
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And the Dems would still lose.
Of course they would. Changing the presentation of the map doesn't change the results.

But changing the presentation can give a more accurate visual representation of how close the election actually was.

I can make the numbers 1 and 1,000,000 look awfully close together if my scale bar goes to 6.022x10^23
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Well, that certainly wasn't clear given that his statement started with: "We lost because we didn't pass HR1 and the John Lewis VRA, full stop. There are other mistakes made, some of which I've mentioned in this thread, but those two ensured we couldn't win swing states anymore which meant Republicans just had to run out the clock."
When you say he's "completely wrong" that leads me to believe you're saying he is... well, completely wrong? And that's one of the things he said, you know? With a "full stop" even, for emphasis.
Well I was in my car voice to text thing, having just parked to run into an appointment. If I was on a computer I would have edited it out but it's a pain in the ass on the phone when you're in a rush.

And as far as my posting history goes and I know you've been here a long time too, you know I fully support that kind of legislation 110%.
 

Reflex

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Unfortunately you're completely wrong and it's painful to see how many Democrats refuse to acknowledge how the party failed miserably, because you can't get better if you don't accept your major failures.

We can absolutely say with 100% certainty than having a primary was the best option for us to defeat Trump. It's not up for debate. It didn't guarantee a win, but it was certainly the better option. And this is not just hindsight, The majority of Democratic voters didn't want Biden to run, his numbers were abysmal across the board with both parties. He literally looked terrible. he was the worst candidate .Every single point of data said Biden running again was a terrible idea.

And what did the Democratic establishment give us? Joe Biden. It represents the ultimate failure of democratic leadership and consultants, and that has to be understood before you can fix these fundamental issues with key parts of the Democratic machine.

I really find it sad but also dangerous that people are so in denial of reality still.
"It's not up for debate" as you sit here debating it....

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means....
 

Reflex

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Not a bad shout..

And ofcourse don't forget Sinema and Manchin killing so many things we wanted done like minimum wage increases, scotus judges and so many things that could have crippled MAGA but instead we got what we got..
Absolutely, although again that is a failure on Biden's part. There are a ton of things he could have given them to secure their vote, but he didn't. His failure to effectively negotiate with his former colleagues was stunning to me. But yes, we failed as a party at every level to ensure we had a fair chance to win going forward, but we've been failing at that for 25 years now. The 2000 election should have been a wake up call. It was, but not to the left.
 
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Reflex

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We didn't pass HR-1 because of Kyrstan Simena and Joe Manchin
Senate votes are won via horse trading. They failed to recognize that the cost for voting rights would be higher than expected and as a result did not up the ante to get them on board. Obviously those two are shitheads to use these must pass bills to negotiate, but they did and Biden needed to make it happen given the stakes. He failed to rise to the occasion.
 
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gothuevos

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Terrifying, uncharted waters ahead.

 

MrSquished

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"It's not up for debate" as you sit here debating it....

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means....
Oh good lordy. What a cop out reply.

You will never improve the Dem party if you don't acknowledge the massive high level failures of its leadership. And the failure of Biden 2024 is not up for debate if it was wrong or not - it was. Period.
 

Reflex

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Oh good lordy. What a cop out reply.

You will never improve the Dem party if you don't acknowledge the massive high level failures of its leadership. And the failure of Biden 2024 is not up for debate if it was wrong or not - it was. Period.
We will never improve the Dem party if people keep focusing in their pet problems and then projecting that onto the results as though they aren't simply demonstrating selection and confirmation bias.

Also, have you actually read my posts? I'm pretty darn critical of Biden. I was a Warren supporter in 2020 and would have supported her again had she run in 2024. But as much as I'd have loved to see that primary fight I don't sit here and say "if only they'd given her a chance we wouldn't have Trump." Maybe we wouldn't, or maybe it would have been an actual landslide in Trump's favor. There is zero way for me to know that.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I can also attest that there is not one single news outlet in Europe supporting conservative or right-wing views.
Pair that with reddit + twitter + facebook provenly engaging in suppression of right-wing leaning views and personalities for the better part of the last decade, and the notion that there was a "massive right-wing media sphere" has to be coming from either irony or a bubble.
There's a difference between conservative and neo-nazi. There's plenty of conservative viewpoints on the other side of the pond.
 

ToTTenTranz

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Tell me, what is the translation of your username, out of curiosity?
It's a word play out of Totentanz from Franz Liszt.





Of course they would. Changing the presentation of the map doesn't change the results.

But changing the presentation can give a more accurate visual representation of how close the election actually was.

I can make the numbers 1 and 1,000,000 look awfully close together if my scale bar goes to 6.022x10^23

I meant the outcome even if you changed the system to "full representation" with heterogeneous representatives within each county would be the same, because the campaign on each side would focus on popular vote instead.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Terrifying, uncharted waters ahead.


No one cares.

Will anyone do anything? Nope.. they'll just Netflix and Chill.

Luigi is the lone hero who did something and yet even the leftys on this board want him to pay..
 

NWRMidnight

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We're nothing alike.

I'm way left of squishy on healthcare and LGBT issues, way right of squishy on migrants and taxes.

The media drummed up the hate of migrants and quite honestly.. after experiencing it myself.. I have to say they were right. There's also things we don't see on the surface with what these migrants do.. we all think they're good, but there's sophisticated criminal scamming organizations out there which exist for one purpose.. to steal money and to send it back home overseas.

This is just a few examples:



So can you really blame people if their hate of migrants runs deep?
You are so fuck nieve. You must have lived a very sheltered and closed off life, if you think anything you experienced, has anything to do with a piece of paper, that these people don't have. That's it, that is all that makes them different than all the other assholes out there being assholes, just a piece of paper. You really need to get out more, because the citizens of this country are substantially worse, and commit more horrendous crimes by far.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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MrSquished

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started to email a couple media sites I'm on such as the Guardian, where I subscribe, asking why are they using such soft and evasive language with what is going on right now? the main example I used is, why the hell are there no headlines calling Trump's proposed ethnic cleansing of Gaza, literally that, an ethnic cleansing? Instead using evasive language that simply does not convey the actual policy proposal.

This media sucks. I thought the Guardian was good but they are failing left and right as well. Some good stuff on there don't get me wrong, but way too many evasive bullshit headlines and articles.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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Coup?
Is that how you call it when you massively lose an election with a landslide favoring the other side? How can you complain about gerrymandering when you lost everything, including
the popular vote?

Yes, coup. I don't think anyone is complaining about the results of losing an election, which sucks sure, but the part everyone with a brain is angry about is the clear contempt for checks and balances, for the separation of powers being ignored and the general notion that we don't do kings in this country - or un elected immigrants gutting our institutions, infrastructure and democracy.

How are you not able to see this? Doesn't sound like you're trying. Follow up and even better question, how fucking dumb do you have to be to call a 1.5% victory margin 'a massive landslide'? Are you new to both elections and math somehow? Seriously, how old are you? I'm genuinely curious. Trump's margin of victory was in no way a landslide, in reality it was one of the smallest margins in history.

I'm betting this inability to math or be honest about last November is related to you not seeing gerrymandering as a problem too, amiright?
 
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Coup?
Is that how you call it when you massively lose an election with a landslide favoring the other side? How can you complain about gerrymandering when you lost everything, including
the popular vote?
Yes, it is a coup. The executive branch is ignoring the law and doing it's own thing, illegally.

Republicans hold both houses of Congress: why not just pass laws? If their agenda is so popular, that shouldn't be that difficult. You don't need the president to ignore the law...
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I can also attest that there is not one single news outlet in Europe supporting conservative or right-wing views.
Pair that with reddit + twitter + facebook provenly engaging in suppression of right-wing leaning views and personalities for the better part of the last decade, and the notion that there was a "massive right-wing media sphere" has to be coming from either irony or a bubble.




Coup?
Is that how you call it when you massively lose an election with a landslide favoring the other side? How can you complain about gerrymandering when you lost everything, including
the popular vote?

Fuck your feels:




When combating the spreading of misinformation, regardless of political leaning, the right gets “suppressed” because they spread the most misinformation. We get a perfect example of this from your own post! Lol

You don’t get “good” responses from our forum members because your kind is a dime a dozen and when we respond and counter your claims with actual facts you people run away like little bitches.

Currently you are engaged in a debate about your claim of a massive landslide and losing “everything” and you are already backtracking.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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I can also attest that there is not one single news outlet in Europe supporting conservative or right-wing views.
Of course not. Its bat shit crazy.

Insane in the membrane dude. Insane in the brain.

It's called journalistic integrity. And NO that does not mean that your crazy opinion is equal to Fauci's science. Go fuck yourself. You are allready bent, might as well get fucked. Bye.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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If the repeal of Roe didnt turn the tides ... what the fuck will? Nothing. Interesting times ahead. Nazis will walks the streets again. It is what it is.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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After all that's happened, if you guys still didn't get that throwing hyperboles around is detrimental to your cause, you should get ready for at least another 2 terms of republicans in power.
The psychopathic narcissist perpetual liar and idol of the Republican Party since 2016 who now occupies the White House has been given to the most outrageous hyperbole he can come up with for as long as he's been in politics. Your credibility is negligible.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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If the repeal of Roe didnt turn the tides ... what the fuck will? Nothing. Interesting times ahead. Nazis will walks the streets again. It is what it is.


Hit'em where it hurts. The rights of women regarding their own genitals can't compete with the love magat men have for their wallets and guns. Since nothing will be happening with guns, go for the wallet.

Blue states, where most of the income for the country is generated, should start keeping that money for themselves. 'Sorry, we need to reserve it now that the CiC wants to play politics with disaster relief.' 'Sorry, you Feds abandoned so many people over healthcare we needed to repurpose these funds to prop up our own programs and hospitals.'

"Leadership has consequences" was that moron Noem's phrase, wasn't it? Yup, exactly what you should tell those poor red states.
 
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