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Reflex

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Well enjoy the Palestinians finding a new home as it looks like Trump supports taking over that land. 🤡
Not really the point but par for the course for those who do not take genocide seriously. Asking someone to vote for a person actively ensuring they get murdered is kinda crazy if you ask me. We as a party could have done way better, and Biden absolutely handled that in a way that cost the Dems at minimum a critical state and possibly the election.

Blaming the victims is incredibly disrespectful when the overwhelming majority of Trump voters were white people.
 

Reflex

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I don't recall seeing any indication that Trump administration wouldn't be worse for Palestinians.
Regardless, some people will not vote for genocidaires and would rather roll the dice. Maybe Trump will be worse, but it's not the point, asking someone to support a leader who's genociding people you care about is callous. Shaming them for declining to do so is inhuman.
 
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hal2kilo

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Regardless, some people will not vote for genocidaires and would rather roll the dice. Maybe Trump will be worse, but it's not the point, asking someone to support a leader who's genociding people you care about is callous. Shaming them for declining to do so is inhuman.
Then they were stupid for voting for him and even dumber for defending it now.
 
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zzyzxroad

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Our closest allies are not going to be open with sensitive intelligence. What they will be open to is purchase as much as Trump will sell them.
 
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Maybe some of these people do have some sense of shame. One of the dough clowns resigned after his digital history of public racism was dug up and exposed.
 

MrSquished

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Our closest allies are not going to be open with sensitive intelligence. What they will be open to is purchase as much as Trump will sell them.
Yep. I suspect this is happening already and will only grow among our allies. The US is compromised by hostile foreign assets and sympathizers and in general people with zero ethics at all. None.
 
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NWRMidnight

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The Democrats choose their own leadership, just like they did in the DNC recently, and they do in the Senate and House, they also hire their consultants, the appoint their committee leaderships, etc.... - the voters do not.

How ignorant can one person be about politics? We'll stay tuned for your next post.

Also the Dems do have some control of which of the candidates they want to win - in certain states they back certain candidates in primaries. Many also dropped out in 2020 to endorse Biden. There are various ways the party elite push the choices in one certain direction.

You have no idea how politics works. All you are is a Dem party apologist. Imagine after all this, this is the hill you want to die on. Sad.
I'm not the ignorant one, you stupid fuck! you keep skirting placing the blame on the voters, who have the final word on what the DNC does using their vote. If they don't agree with the DNC's actions or the canidate they nominate, they stop supporting the party with their vote and chose another caniddiate to support, other than someone like Trump. You and many other voters are lock stepped in the ideology that you have to vote Rebublican or Democrate, which is false and one of the reasons the fault falls on the voters. Stop being so fucking brain washed believing you have to follow the status quo. All you are doing is confirming the fault ultimately falls on the voters who are seem to believe they have no choice but to vote for a democrate no matter who it is. decades of that idealogy is what has helped put us here. We have independance, and other parties that run, but the American voters is afraid to stop supporting the two party system. That mistake is costing us this country and breeds fools like you. It's baffles me that people like you keep wanting to shift the blame to someone else other than the people who keep voting to support the same shit, election after election, and can't figure out why nothing changes and keep looking else for fault. Every American, every person elilgible to vote, needs to take some time looking in the mirror, because who they see in that mirror is where the failure starts. Those idiots in the mirrror, Keep voting the same election after election, expecting different results, and then it's people like you, who want to blame everyone else, but them.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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I'm not the ignorant one, you stupid fuck! you keep skirting placing the blame on the voters, who have the final word on what the DNC does using their vote. If they don't agree with the DNC's actions or the canidate they nominate, they stop supporting the party with their vote and chose another caniddiate to support, other than someone like Trump. You and many other voters are lock stepped in the ideology that you have to vote Rebublican or Democrate, which is false and one of the reasons the fault falls on the voters. Stop being so fucking brain washed believing you have to follow the status quo. All you are doing is confirming the fault ultimately falls on the voters who are seem to believe they have no choice but to vote for a democrate no matter who it is. decades of that idealogy is what has helped put us here. We have independance, and other parties that run, but the American voters is afraid to stop supporting the two party system. That mistake is costing us this country and breeds fools like you. It's baffles me that people like you keep wanting to shift the blame to someone else other than the people who keep voting to support the same shit, election after election, and can't figure out why nothing changes and keep looking else for fault. Every American, every person elilgible to vote, needs to take some time looking in the mirror, because who they see in that mirror is where the failure starts. Those idiots in the mirrror, Keep voting the same election after election, expecting different results, and then it's people like you, who want to blame everyone else, but them.
I never skirted putting blame on the voters, but you refuse to take any ownership of the party - you are probably one of the dem consultants with a dunce cap on that helped get the party into this pathetic state. You are disgustingly dumb - when we are entrenched in a two party system, the Dems do run a pretty tight ship on a lot of their leadership, on their primaries, who they get in and where, I pointed out all the places the Dems make major decisions, the voters are not often left with that much of a choice. You refuse to acknowledge how much sway the Dem machine holds on what choices the voters are given.You simply ignore all of that with your delusional mind. Including - GIVING US FUCKING JOE BIDEN AS THE CANDIDATE THIS YEAR. LIterally the worst strategic move by a political party I have seen in my lifetime. All the leadership and consultants that went along with that should all be summarily fired - including you.

Your cultism to the Dem party is as sick in the head as MAGA. That's how fucked up in the head you sound.

It's obvious you are only going to get in the way of any shot we may have to reform the Dem party and get a better opposition party going. You fucking suck dude.

Now properly fuck off. You are useless. Literally the most useless Democrat on this board, and that includes Indus, who is literally, after this post of yours, looking quite a bit better now.
 

NWRMidnight

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I never skirted putting blame on the voters, but you refuse to take any ownership of the party - you are probably one of the dem consultants with a dunce cap on that helped get the party into this pathetic state. You are disgustingly dumb - when we are entrenched in a two party system, the Dems do run a pretty tight ship on a lot of their leadership, on their primaries, who they get in and where, I pointed out all the places the Dems make major decisions, the voters are not often left with that much of a choice. You refuse to acknowledge how much sway the Dem machine holds on what choices the voters are given.You simply ignore all of that with your delusional mind. Including - GIVING US FUCKING JOE BIDEN AS THE CANDIDATE THIS YEAR. LIterally the worst strategic move by a political party I have seen in my lifetime. All the leadership and consultants that went along with that should all be summarily fired - including you.

Your cultism to the Dem party is as sick in the head as MAGA. That's how fucked up in the head you sound.

It's obvious you are only going to get in the way of any shot we may have to reform the Dem party and get a better opposition party going. You fucking suck dude.

Now properly fuck off. You are useless. Literally the most useless Democrat on this board, and that includes Indus, who is literally, after this post of yours, looking quite a bit better now.
The fuck you didn't skirt putting the blame on voters. All you do in every response is skirt it, as you keep placing blame elsewhere as you throw out personal attacks in nearly every post when people disagree with you, and tell them they are dumb and to fuck off, etc.

I am surprised you don"t have whiplash with your back and forth praising the Dems and then in the next breath saying the opposite. You have become nothing more than a constant annoyance now days. You are blind to how far you have fallen from someone people respected to someone people constantly make fun of now days. It's rather sad. If you consider me worthless because I don't agree with your opinion, as wish washy and ignorant as it is, so be it! Because you opinion has no value where I am concerned, neither do you constant attacks. Just shows how far you have fallen from having any respect.

You can continue to blame the party, Biden, who ever, all you want, but ultimately it all falls on the voters who continue to support them, and vote them back in, election after election.

BTW, I am not loyal to any party or any person.
 
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MrSquished

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The fuck you didn't skirt putting the blame on voters. All you do in every response is skirt it, as you keep placing blame elsewhere as you throw out personal attacks in nearly every post when people disagree with you, and tell them they are dumb and to fuck off, etc.

I am surprised you don"t have whiplash with your back and forth praising the Dems and then in the next breath saying the opposite. You have become nothing more than a constant annoyance now days. You are blind to how far you have fallen from someone people respected to someone people constantly make fun of now days. It's rather sad. If you consider me worthless because I don't agree with your opinion, as wish washy and if doesn't as it is, so be it because you opinion has no value where I am concerned, neither does you constant attacks. Just shows how far you have fallen from having any respect.

You can continue to blame the party, Biden, who ever, all you want, but ultimately it all falls on the voters who continue to support them, and vote them back in, election after election.

BTW, I am not loyal to any party or any person.


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VashHT

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Maybe some of these people do have some sense of shame. One of the dough clowns resigned after his digital history of public racism was dug up and exposed.
But it's a stretch to say the guy hiring white supremacists is a nazi....lol
 

zzyzxroad

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Democracy may be over but at least spirit is up almost half a percent.

"But I think a lot of good things are going to happen. You know, a lot of people might be surprised to hear me say that, of all people, but I think a lot of good things are going to happen. Because our country has got some big headaches, but we have tremendous spirit right now.

The spirit is as high as it’s been. It was up 49 points this morning — 49 points. That’s the biggest increase in the history of whatever the poll was.

So, the spirit is there. That’s a big factor. That’s probably the hardest thing to get back, to be honest. The rest is easy. The rest is easy. "

 

Sonikku

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"If only the Dems had done this, if only they had done that", guys, guys. If by some miracle they had won in November it would not have meant Democracy would have been saved. It would have meant that its destruction would have been postponed four more years. The right had already laid the groundwork. The party has been hollowed out of anyone that would cling to the constitution. The supreme court has a right wing super majority that made the president above the law. The very instant the white house swung the other way, whether it was in four years or eight years or beyond, this country was toast. The whole "Dems shoulda been about this or that" is an argument that would have had to have gone all the way back to clinton. Or at the very VERY ABSOLUTE LATEST Obama. Any safeguards Biden could have implemented would have crumbled before Sinema and Manchin. We're done here.
 
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cytg111

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You all need to put this to rest, the fault is not centered in one spot. You have been pushed over the edge by a thousand cuts and you idiots are arguing over the drop that made the cup spill, the one straw that broke the camels back.

You cant blame voter if the well(media diet) is actually poisoned and you cant blame Biden for accepting the narrative of their echo chamber. Few people have actually bad intentions and unless you can point to actual malice or then stfu please and get with the program.

Its people like Crockett and AOC that needs to lead the charge IMO. Crockett has serious Brave Heart vibes here...I can see her leading you into battle.

 

MrSquished

Lifer
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You all need to put this to rest, the fault is not centered in one spot. You have been pushed over the edge by a thousand cuts and you idiots are arguing over the drop that made the cup spill, the one straw that broke the camels back.

You cant blame voter if the well(media diet) is actually poisoned and you cant blame Biden for accepting the narrative of their echo chamber. Few people have actually bad intentions and unless you can point to actual malice or then stfu please and get with the program.

Its people like Crockett and AOC that needs to lead the charge IMO. Crockett has serious Brave Heart vibes here...I can see her leading you into battle.

Well first off we can definitely blame Biden. Come on. He is 100% a huge part of the reason the Democrats failed. The guy was fucking president of the United fucking states with access to all kinds of information and you're going to give him a pass? Come on, be better I know you can.

Anyway as I stated, right now the Democrats are the single opposition party to the fascists. The reason to examine the Democrats is because they have failed in many ways, and in order to improve the single opposition party we are stuck with, we need to look honestly and earnestly at where they made huge mistakes, and little ones, and make them be better.

I've always blamed the media for their failings, the right waying for being evil, and many voters for being either stupid or evil or both.

Bringing up the countless ways the Democratic party failed doesn't absolve anything else I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. But some people see critique of the democratic party and just like some other cultists I know, all reasonable thought leaves their heads and they sound like lunatics.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Well first off we can definitely blame Biden. Come on. He is 100% a huge part of the reason the Democrats failed. The guy was fucking president of the United fucking states with access to all kinds of information and you're going to give him a pass? Come on, be better I know you can.

Anyway as I stated, right now the Democrats are the single opposition party to the fascists. The reason to examine the Democrats is because they have failed in many ways, and in order to improve the single opposition party we are stuck with, we need to look honestly and earnestly at where they made huge mistakes, and little ones, and make them be better.

I've always blamed the media for their failings, the right waying for being evil, and many voters for being either stupid or evil or both.

Bringing up the countless ways the Democratic party failed doesn't absolve anything else I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. But some people see critique of the democratic party and just like some other cultists I know, all reasonable thought leaves their heads and they sound like lunatics.
Do you think for one second that Biden thought he was going to lose and he knew that another D candidate would have a much better chance than him?
You cant possibly know all this shit. Anyway its fucking immaterial at this point.
Back when everything pivoted you were super fast to get on the Kamala train and march forward not looking back. Could you not do that again? I think history needs you to.
The body is still warm and you guys are arguing if it was the bullet or the fall that killed him. Go find the new guy/gal that is going to lead the charge.
 

MrSquished

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Do you think for one second that Biden thought he was going to lose and he knew that another D candidate would have a much better chance than him?
You cant possibly know all this shit. Anyway its fucking immaterial at this point.
Back when everything pivoted you were super fast to get on the Kamala train and march forward not looking back. Could you not do that again? I think history needs you to.
The body is still warm and you guys are arguing if it was the bullet or the fall that killed him. Go find the new guy/gal that is going to lead the charge.
Are you serious? His fucking ego got in the way of literally preventing fascism. That's the entire point why he's to blame. Did you ever hear about self-awareness? It's a flaw when you don't have it . And this is about literally being the president of America . This is not about self-awareness to understand why you fight with your spouse when you put dishes in the dishwasher differently . He is 100% to blame for his own delusions.

This party will never learn if they simply excused this atrocity of a decision.

All the polls of his own parties members said they didn't want him to run again.

I see a lot of people online recognize what Biden did but there seems to be a real disconnect from reality from a lot of posters in this forum.

Excusing a man for their own actions that fucked over literally hundreds of millions of people because how could they know? When there were giant flashing neon red signs saying don't run again. Christ Almighty.


Absolutely obscene. This is one reason the Democrats fail because they refuse to apply responsibility for people's own decisions who hold a lot of power. And the lack of the party to have discipline and save us from these egotistical mistakes. How can they save us if half their voters are stupid enough to forgive these things as no big deal. How could they know.
 

UNCjigga

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But it's a stretch to say the guy hiring white supremacists is a nazi....lol
Elon and co are now doxxing the reporter who exposed said Nazi and saying she has a conflict of interest for having previously worked at USAID. Also, “ she went from USAID to journalism—CRIMINAL!”
 
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FelixDeCat

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Democracy may be over but at least spirit is up almost half a percent.

"But I think a lot of good things are going to happen. You know, a lot of people might be surprised to hear me say that, of all people, but I think a lot of good things are going to happen. Because our country has got some big headaches, but we have tremendous spirit right now.

The spirit is as high as it’s been. It was up 49 points this morning — 49 points. That’s the biggest increase in the history of whatever the poll was.

So, the spirit is there. That’s a big factor. That’s probably the hardest thing to get back, to be honest. The rest is easy. The rest is easy. "

I think the problem is too much too soon and lots of people are choking on all of the sudden changes and proposals.

Maybe this is the strategy all along. But he should let things settle for a while. My guess is he wont.
 
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