American Family Radio "family values" advocate gets 15 years for child porn

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Correct, forgiveness has no limits. Practicing Christianity does help you to live in God's word. It takes time to change and some never fully succeed. Our goal is to be a perfect human like Jesus. But we aren't there yet are we? If you are perfect then please go on and judge us all but somehow I doubt you are.

WTF???
So are you saying that a piece of sh1t like this that was into child pornography should be forgiven?
This is not a fvcking religious matter. It's a legal matter.

The question about forgiveness arose when it was mentioned that his boss the rev. Wildmon told him that they forgive him. Certainly it is within the rights of anybody to forgive anybody else is it not? AFR only recently came to my area and I do listen to it regularly . Every time I drive.
It is the station thats tuned in my car and no need to change it. THey have great programming.
I think this case actually proves the dangers of pornography that the AFA have been talking about.
They forgive the man even though he did maybe damage their reputation alittle. Nowadays I think a person that is doing time in Jail for pornography might well be uniquely qualified to preach about the dangers of pornography.
Even if that seems ironic to you. Who knows more about Alcoholism than an alcoholic?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Correct, forgiveness has no limits. Practicing Christianity does help you to live in God's word. It takes time to change and some never fully succeed. Our goal is to be a perfect human like Jesus. But we aren't there yet are we? If you are perfect then please go on and judge us all but somehow I doubt you are.

Ah ok, so it's ok for you to judge, as you have numerous times in your post, but not me. Man, you're a pathetic individual.

Well better to be pathetic than apathetic I guess. Kindly remeber the rules against personal attacks on the forum k thanks.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Correct, forgiveness has no limits. Practicing Christianity does help you to live in God's word. It takes time to change and some never fully succeed. Our goal is to be a perfect human like Jesus. But we aren't there yet are we? If you are perfect then please go on and judge us all but somehow I doubt you are.

WTF???
So are you saying that a piece of sh1t like this that was into child pornography should be forgiven?
This is not a fvcking religious matter. It's a legal matter.

The question about forgiveness arose when it was mentioned that his boss the rev. Wildmon told him that they forgive him. Certainly it is within the rights of anybody to forgive anybody else is it not? AFR only recently came to my area and I do listen to it regularly . Every time I drive.
It is the station thats tuned in my car and no need to change it. THey have great programming.
I think this case actually proves the dangers of pornography that the AFA have been talking about.
They forgive the man even though he did maybe damage their reputation alittle. Nowadays I think a person that is doing time in Jail for pornography might well be uniquely qualified to preach about the dangers of pornography.
Even if that seems ironic to you. Who knows more about Alcoholism than an alcoholic?

You are so fvcked in the head it isn't even funny, you would condemn him for doing nothing if he was a Muslim but because of his religious beliefs you think he is ok, "to forgive is divine, as long as you have the right faith"

"he did maybe damage their reputation a little" how about the childrens lives that were destroyed?

There is a difference between pornography and child pornography, if you do not get the difference, go to a psych ward, ask them to lock you up for life.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Correct, forgiveness has no limits. Practicing Christianity does help you to live in God's word. It takes time to change and some never fully succeed. Our goal is to be a perfect human like Jesus. But we aren't there yet are we? If you are perfect then please go on and judge us all but somehow I doubt you are.

WTF???
So are you saying that a piece of sh1t like this that was into child pornography should be forgiven?
This is not a fvcking religious matter. It's a legal matter.

The question about forgiveness arose when it was mentioned that his boss the rev. Wildmon told him that they forgive him. Certainly it is within the rights of anybody to forgive anybody else is it not? AFR only recently came to my area and I do listen to it regularly . Every time I drive.
It is the station thats tuned in my car and no need to change it. THey have great programming.
I think this case actually proves the dangers of pornography that the AFA have been talking about.
They forgive the man even though he did maybe damage their reputation alittle. Nowadays I think a person that is doing time in Jail for pornography might well be uniquely qualified to preach about the dangers of pornography.
Even if that seems ironic to you. Who knows more about Alcoholism than an alcoholic?

You are so fvcked in the head it isn't even funny, you would condemn him for doing nothing if he was a Muslim but because of his religious beliefs you think he is ok, "to forgive is divine, as long as you have the right faith"

"he did maybe damage their reputation a little" how about the childrens lives that were destroyed?

There is a difference between pornography and child pornography, if you do not get the difference, go to a psych ward, ask them to lock you up for life.

Please do not tell the little girl that her life was destroyed because from the article she was completely unaware the incident ever occurred. She might grow up with a complex if you told her her life was destroyed and end up blaming every problem in her life on this incident. I wonder how much better off some of the victims of child molestation actually would be if society told them that what happened to them as a kid doesn't matter and they can go on and live a normal life without it affecting them at all. Seems to me it might be a little better than telling them that their life is destroyed and they might as well just kill themselves now.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

I wonder how much better off some of the victims of child molestation actually would be if society told them that what happened to them as a kid doesn't matter and they can go on and live a normal life without it affecting them at all. Seems to me it might be a little better than telling them that their life is destroyed and they might as well just kill themselves now.

You haven't worked with many, have you? I think you make an interesting point, but I think your idea springs from ignorance of the subject. Most molestation victims never tell anyone about their abuse, and it is never acknowledged. Whether it is or not, children who are molested (especially if it is frequent, as it often is) tend to manifest severe depression, to be quite promiscuous, to fall into drug abuse and drinking, and become so compartmentalized in their thinking that even severe, rare psychopathologies like split personality disorder become much more common. They are also vastly likelier to become molesters themselves - I have never run into a child molester who was not himself molested - and to commit other crimes than the population as a whole.

Interestingly, vis a vis your previous posts, the worst molester I have ever seen - he was by nearly any standard the worst one in the history of the Air Force - came from a very religious background, and his family seemed extraordinarily anxious to forgive him, to the point that, in my opinion, it became very disrespectful toward his victims (who were his own children). He was later excommunicated from the LDS church.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Correct, forgiveness has no limits. Practicing Christianity does help you to live in God's word. It takes time to change and some never fully succeed. Our goal is to be a perfect human like Jesus. But we aren't there yet are we? If you are perfect then please go on and judge us all but somehow I doubt you are.

WTF???
So are you saying that a piece of sh1t like this that was into child pornography should be forgiven?
This is not a fvcking religious matter. It's a legal matter.

The question about forgiveness arose when it was mentioned that his boss the rev. Wildmon told him that they forgive him. Certainly it is within the rights of anybody to forgive anybody else is it not? AFR only recently came to my area and I do listen to it regularly . Every time I drive.
It is the station thats tuned in my car and no need to change it. THey have great programming.
I think this case actually proves the dangers of pornography that the AFA have been talking about.
They forgive the man even though he did maybe damage their reputation alittle. Nowadays I think a person that is doing time in Jail for pornography might well be uniquely qualified to preach about the dangers of pornography.
Even if that seems ironic to you. Who knows more about Alcoholism than an alcoholic?

You are so fvcked in the head it isn't even funny, you would condemn him for doing nothing if he was a Muslim but because of his religious beliefs you think he is ok, "to forgive is divine, as long as you have the right faith"

"he did maybe damage their reputation a little" how about the childrens lives that were destroyed?

There is a difference between pornography and child pornography, if you do not get the difference, go to a psych ward, ask them to lock you up for life.

Please do not tell the little girl that her life was destroyed because from the article she was completely unaware the incident ever occurred. She might grow up with a complex if you told her her life was destroyed and end up blaming every problem in her life on this incident. I wonder how much better off some of the victims of child molestation actually would be if society told them that what happened to them as a kid doesn't matter and they can go on and live a normal life without it affecting them at all. Seems to me it might be a little better than telling them that their life is destroyed and they might as well just kill themselves now.

Yeah, maybe she will end up blaming every problem on the incident you POS, and you know what, maybe she could figure out why she reacts to some things the way she does, if you knew anything about the issue you would have kept your big mouth shut, these things, whether they remember or not will affect their whole life, but that won't get into your thick skull, will it.

Let's keep it behind closed doors, what you don't know might not hurt you.

You are making excuses saying that the victim "probably doesn't remember it and is probably not affected by it" but everything known about this points in another direction, if it was up to me, people like you would be neutered and kept locked up, far away from my children, you make me sick.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Well Klixxer you have already made your PRO-terrorist , anti-American position very clear.
Your country wasn't attacked by terrorists mine was so maybe that will explain why I am all for my country defending itself and you could care less how many Americans are killed all over the world by these sickos every day.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well Klixxer you have already made your PRO-terrorist , anti-American position very clear.
Your country wasn't attacked by terrorists mine was so maybe that will explain why I am all for my country defending itself and you could care less how many Americans are killed all over the world by these sickos every day.

May I ask what brought this on? It seems completely off-topic. I have not really observed Klixxer to be anti-American, just anti-OIF, but I will let him speak for himself.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well Klixxer you have already made your PRO-terrorist , anti-American position very clear.
Your country wasn't attacked by terrorists mine was so maybe that will explain why I am all for my country defending itself and you could care less how many Americans are killed all over the world by these sickos every day.

Wow, you are truly one sad pathetic p.o.s. It's amazing to me how blind your religion makes you. Muslims are the enemy, people shouldn't know about their molestation because they'll just use it as an excuse, japanese are warring people. Next to you, Passions and Edge3D look like true gentleman. Please get out of the gene pool.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Klixxer is mad at me for supporting the war on terrorism so he posts anti Bugsbunny messages in every thread I post in.

You are so fvcked in the head it isn't even funny, you would condemn him for doing nothing if he was a Muslim but because of his religious beliefs you think he is ok, "to forgive is divine, as long as you have the right faith"

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Klixxer is mad at me for supporting the war on terrorism so he posts anti Bugsbunny messages in every thread I post in.

At least his post relates to the topic. I don't know anything about your corporate history with him, but your post here makes me suspect you are arguing from a position of weakness. I must say, having worked with a number of child molestation victims, that I find your take on this issue tough to justify.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well Klixxer you have already made your PRO-terrorist , anti-American position very clear.
Your country wasn't attacked by terrorists mine was so maybe that will explain why I am all for my country defending itself and you could care less how many Americans are killed all over the world by these sickos every day.

WTF? Are you dense or don't you know in which thread you are?

Yeah, i am so much a terrorist, that is why i went to Afghanistan as a NATO soldier, and yeah, that probably makes me anti-American as well? I am sorry but disagreeing with the current US admins foreign policy has nothing to do with being anti-American and it certainly has nothing to do with this thread, right now you are just trolling your boat gently down the stream.

You won't get it, fundamentalist nutjobs like you who will defend child molesters in the name of christianity will never get it.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Klixxer is mad at me for supporting the war on terrorism so he posts anti Bugsbunny messages in every thread I post in.

At least his post relates to the topic. I don't know anything about your corporate history with him, but your post here makes me suspect you are arguing from a position of weakness. I must say, having worked with a number of child molestation victims, that I find your take on this issue tough to justify.

Bugs has stated in the past that he uses this forum to debate, period. He has stated that he will take a position, whether it's really one that he believes in, strictly to debate the issue.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Well there is not much point in continuing discussions with a person who cannot form an entire paragraph without a vulgarity or name-calling of some sort. So whther you agree or not DonVito he lost the "argument" although I wasn't really arguing with anyone only explaining the Christian perspective.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Klixxer is mad at me for supporting the war on terrorism so he posts anti Bugsbunny messages in every thread I post in.

At least his post relates to the topic. I don't know anything about your corporate history with him, but your post here makes me suspect you are arguing from a position of weakness. I must say, having worked with a number of child molestation victims, that I find your take on this issue tough to justify.

I think i have posted in maybe three threads this nutjob was in and maybe replied to three or four of his posts in those threads.

I find his take on the matter utterly disgusting.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Klixxer is mad at me for supporting the war on terrorism so he posts anti Bugsbunny messages in every thread I post in.

You are so fvcked in the head it isn't even funny, you would condemn him for doing nothing if he was a Muslim but because of his religious beliefs you think he is ok, "to forgive is divine, as long as you have the right faith"

No, i actually think you are a sicko for excusing child molesters and wanting the door to be closed just because the man adheres to the same faith as yourself.

You really make me sick just because of that.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well there is not much point in continuing discussions with a person who cannot form an entire paragraph without a vulgarity or name-calling of some sort. So whther you agree or not DonVito he lost the "argument" although I wasn't really arguing with anyone only explaining the Christian perspective.

And the christian perspectiv is to forgive the molester and forget the victim? Because that is EXACTLY what you said should be done.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

the christian perspectve is to forgive everyone.
I do not even have a grudge against Osama Bin Laden. Don't get me wrong I will kill the man on sight I just will not have any hate in my heart when I do it.

 

[Kadarin]

This part kills me:

In his letter to Wicker, Stevens wrote, "I took my eyes off of Jesus
for a moment and did something terrible ... I took some pictures of
one of my daughter's friends. Suffice it to say that these pictures
were of her in various sleeping positions. Let me hasten to add that
I never touched her person, nor are there any ... showing her face,
nor was there any involvement with the Internet. I did not do this
for personal profit, but from a dark sin. Nor did I touch her,
because I didn't want to wake her and have her damaged
psychologically. And truthfully, I didn't want to take a chance on
getting caught.

"I know what I did was wrong. Oh, how I wish I could simply undo
what I've done!! But I can't."

But Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Roberts in court suggested Stevens
did more than just snap pictures, saying photographs showed an adult
hand adjusting clothing and in one case touching a minor child.

What a goddamned liar, hypocrite, and useless waste of oxygen. He has NO right to talk morals to anybody.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
the christian perspectve is to forgive everyone.
I do not even have a grudge against Osama Bin Laden. Don't get me wrong I will kill the man on sight I just will not have any hate in my heart when I do it.

Is this what Jesus would do?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
the christian perspectve is to forgive everyone.
I do not even have a grudge against Osama Bin Laden. Don't get me wrong I will kill the man on sight I just will not have any hate in my heart when I do it.

Is this what Jesus would do?

No, Jesus said render unto Caeser what is Casears...and this includes punishment for crimes.

I wouldnt kill bin Laden but I sure wouldnt mind him spending his last breath at Terre Haute.

 

[chess9]

Infohawk:

I'd agree with Bugs in this instance. OBL is a mass murderer and a major terrorist. Kill on sight.

But, no, that wouldn't be the Christian approach. More like the American Way.

-Robert

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
the christian perspectve is to forgive everyone.
I do not even have a grudge against Osama Bin Laden. Don't get me wrong I will kill the man on sight I just will not have any hate in my heart when I do it.

Is this what Jesus would do?

No, Jesus said render unto Caeser what is Casears...and this includes punishment for crimes.

I wouldnt kill bin Laden but I sure wouldnt mind him spending his last breath at Terre Haute.

So does the Caesar unto Caesar argument apply to allowing abortions too? They're both killings sactioned by the state right? And what about turning the other cheek? That conveniently doesn't apply here.

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Every time I hear Rush Limbuagh I imagine him in vaseline smeared underwear sitting in front of a monitor watching Kiddie Porn will he pontificates to the "U" people and other ditto heads.

This doesn't surprise me about you. Who else do you include in your fantasies?

Jup

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well I think the presumption alot of people make when a Christian gets caught with his pants down so to speak is that Christianity is thus proven to be a farce. Not so at all and most Christians will tell you we are all sinners. One thing I can do as a Christian is forgive.
By forgiving we are forgiven.As far as this "decent christian man" that is all a public perception isn;t it? We are all jerks, greedy , sexual perverts, violent or some other serious flaw inside. Every human being on earth has some serious flaw like this and we are no different.
Sorry! Becoming a Christian is not going to change that. Having some flaw like that does not prevent you from becoming a Christian and becoming forgiven and making it into heaven. Isn't that wonderful news?

so do nothing to correct your flaws
committing the same sin over and over.
and just pray, beg and whine for forgiveness and all is forgotten.
and you only do THAT when youre exposed in public or caught committing those acts.
thats a great way to live your life.

that is what you call a copout.