American invasion of China

[Modelworks]

I think the one thing that changed warfare more than anything else is satellites.
There is no more sneaking up on the enemy.
China couldn't even build a sub without us seeing it.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think the one thing that changed warfare more than anything else is satellites.
There is no more sneaking up on the enemy.
China couldn't even build a sub without us seeing it.

they buy subs from Russia. Once they fly the crew to Russia, submerge the sub, how you gonna track it with your satellite now?

 

[piasabird]

Well China has a very large population and it is densely populated. so just damaging their infrastructure a little can cause lots of turmoil. However. you could say the same thing for the USA. So unless we made a first strike, and destroyed them before they destroyed us we would not stand a chance. So the key here is to decide is it worth it for the USA to interfere in the internal affairs of China. We have publicly admitted that Taiwan is technically the possession of China, yet we dont really believe that. We are just lying about what we believe. You cant have things both ways. We are already interfering in China's affairs because we have sold and continue to sell Taiwan arms and ammunition.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think the one thing that changed warfare more than anything else is satellites.
There is no more sneaking up on the enemy.
China couldn't even build a sub without us seeing it.

they buy subs from Russia. Once they fly the crew to Russia, submerge the sub, how you gonna track it with your satellite now?

Release sharks with head mounted lasers and optics to track...

 

[piasabird]

We have subs and underwater montoring gear to detect submarines. Dont kid yourself.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: piasabird
We have subs and underwater montoring gear to detect submarines. Dont kid yourself.

^^^ Truth.

The Los Angeles class sub can track anything in the water with ease. Stuff like following a dolphin ~50km away is possible.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think the one thing that changed warfare more than anything else is satellites.
There is no more sneaking up on the enemy.
China couldn't even build a sub without us seeing it.

they buy subs from Russia. Once they fly the crew to Russia, submerge the sub, how you gonna track it with your satellite now?

Release sharks with head mounted lasers and optics to track...

dolphins are easier to train.
although...i'm sure there are lots of sharks that want to get revenge at the chinese for their fascination with shark fin soup.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: piasabird
We have subs and underwater montoring gear to detect submarines. Dont kid yourself.

^^^ Truth.

The Los Angeles class sub can track anything in the water with ease. Stuff like following a dolphin ~50km away is possible.

didn't a Chinese diesel sub get within 5 km of the Kitty Hawk undetected in 2006? i heard improvements in diesel subs make them super quiet.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think the one thing that changed warfare more than anything else is satellites.
There is no more sneaking up on the enemy.
China couldn't even build a sub without us seeing it.

they buy subs from Russia. Once they fly the crew to Russia, submerge the sub, how you gonna track it with your satellite now?

What makes you think satellites can't see underwater ?
Lots of things have come from the space agency, especially those nice cameras that can see things like IR and radiation. They have used them to track schools of fish, so why not subs .

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: piasabird
We have subs and underwater montoring gear to detect submarines. Dont kid yourself.

^^^ Truth.

The Los Angeles class sub can track anything in the water with ease. Stuff like following a dolphin ~50km away is possible.

didn't a Chinese diesel sub get within 5 km of the Kitty Hawk undetected in 2006? i heard improvements in diesel subs make them super quiet.

It's a bit of a different situation there. Los Angeles class subs are purpose-built boomer-killers, and are equipped with enough surveillance/detection equipment to locate even subs running silent (no motor/reactor running) at a good distance. Aircraft carriers, when on battle stations, are usually in carrier battle groups, and their job is not detection, it's power projection.

The situation with the Chinese sub was a bit of a goof.

 

[StageLeft]

Of course it's not worth it, and of course the US would be hopelessly incapable of successfully invading China. Its population is like 40-50 times that of Iraq and though they do not have guns with the numbers Iraqis do, I am sure that the US simply would be incapable of it. Its only chance would be conscripting everybody and going balls fvcking out like in WWII.

 

[jjones]

In direct confrontation, the US could defeat the Chinese military, no question imo, but a war like that wouldn't happen without letting the nuclear cat out of the bag. As for invasion, sure, but to what end? The US could never fully conquer and control China, not without killing about a billion civilians. Even if the US was inclined to do that, the rest of the world wouldn't sit idly by allowing that kind of genocide to happen.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: jjones
In direct confrontation, the US could defeat the Chinese military, no question imo, but a war like that wouldn't happen without letting the nuclear cat out of the bag. As for invasion, sure, but to what end? The US could never fully conquer and control China, not without killing about a billion civilians. Even if the US was inclined to do that, the rest of the world wouldn't sit idly by allowing that kind of genocide to happen.

Hell, the Chinese military has enough trouble controlling China.

 

[mc00]

Can we take out China probably not but can we leave them fcked up enough I think so. I doubt U.S is going to mess with China, but we can't predict the future. We don't know next year or 10years from now we have another WWIII. am I going to lose sleep thinking about it ? nope.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Invade China? Thats expensive in blood and treasure. Lets cut to the chase and use machines. Isn't that what nukes are for? Nuke em--kill them all. Next lets get all the billion plus in India. The 1.4 billion Muslims too. Lets get rid of Russia. And we can't trust the Europeans or anyone else. And after we kill everyone else, we can start in on ourselves. We will be running low on nukes by then, so better save some of us for slave labor to make more nukes so we can continue exterminating people those who do not think right. Our traitors within.

And when we finally kill every last man woman and child on earth, we will finally have peace on earth. What a wonderful world it will be. No more disease, we can exterminate even the microbes.

you forgot to mention where we setup a 6 pack of nukes at the core of the earth so that we can blow it up after everything else is gone, because lets face it...the earth hasn't been praying to jesus lately

I'm sure you're just being sarcastic, but just in case, all the nuclear weapons in the world wouldn't even amount to a burp as far as the planet itself is concerned.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Invade China? Thats expensive in blood and treasure. Lets cut to the chase and use machines. Isn't that what nukes are for? Nuke em--kill them all. Next lets get all the billion plus in India. The 1.4 billion Muslims too. Lets get rid of Russia. And we can't trust the Europeans or anyone else. And after we kill everyone else, we can start in on ourselves. We will be running low on nukes by then, so better save some of us for slave labor to make more nukes so we can continue exterminating people those who do not think right. Our traitors within.

And when we finally kill every last man woman and child on earth, we will finally have peace on earth. What a wonderful world it will be. No more disease, we can exterminate even the microbes.

you forgot to mention where we setup a 6 pack of nukes at the core of the earth so that we can blow it up after everything else is gone, because lets face it...the earth hasn't been praying to jesus lately

I'm sure you're just being sarcastic, but just in case, all the nuclear weapons in the world wouldn't even amount to a burp as far as the planet itself is concerned.

Errmmm. Statistics beg to differ.

The 50mt Tsar Bomba put out 1% of the energy of the sun. The Chicxulub crater was formed by an event larger than Tsar Bomba by a magnitude of 6. Going by that, it's easy to imagine the ~25,000-35,000 thermonuclear warheads on this earth are more than capable of greatly eclipsing the Chicxulub event. We could bathe every square inch of land on earth in massive heat and radiation, along with tens of thousands of craters.

Another easily possible event, if we really wanted to screw around, is to make a stationary, land-detonated supernuke. The technology exists to easily assemble a 15,000+Mt warhead. That kind of event would conceivably crack the crust of the earth wide open, leading to unpredictable consequences.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Invade China? Thats expensive in blood and treasure. Lets cut to the chase and use machines. Isn't that what nukes are for? Nuke em--kill them all. Next lets get all the billion plus in India. The 1.4 billion Muslims too. Lets get rid of Russia. And we can't trust the Europeans or anyone else. And after we kill everyone else, we can start in on ourselves. We will be running low on nukes by then, so better save some of us for slave labor to make more nukes so we can continue exterminating people those who do not think right. Our traitors within.

And when we finally kill every last man woman and child on earth, we will finally have peace on earth. What a wonderful world it will be. No more disease, we can exterminate even the microbes.

you forgot to mention where we setup a 6 pack of nukes at the core of the earth so that we can blow it up after everything else is gone, because lets face it...the earth hasn't been praying to jesus lately

I'm sure you're just being sarcastic, but just in case, all the nuclear weapons in the world wouldn't even amount to a burp as far as the planet itself is concerned.

Errmmm. Statistics beg to differ.

The 50mt Tsar Bomba put out 1% of the energy of the sun. The Chicxulub crater was formed by an event larger than Tsar Bomba by a magnitude of 6. Going by that, it's easy to imagine the ~25,000-35,000 thermonuclear warheads on this earth are more than capable of greatly eclipsing the Chicxulub event. We could bathe every square inch of land on earth in massive heat and radiation, along with tens of thousands of craters.

Another easily possible event, if we really wanted to screw around, is to make a stationary, land-detonated supernuke. The technology exists to easily assemble a 15,000+Mt warhead. That kind of event would conceivably crack the crust of the earth wide open, leading to unpredictable consequences.

For more entertainment value, I suggest splitting the moon in half: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LhAobPugvsk&feature=related

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
For more entertainment value, I suggest splitting the moon in half: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LhAobPugvsk&feature=related

Classic. Imagine an asteroid that can suck away our atmosphere and also split the moon in half without even touch it. I used to love watching that show. Who knew it had such practical applications.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

How would China invade Taiwan anyways? Is the Chinese army going to swim across the ocean?

 

[Fern]

If something really bad happen between Taiwan and China and America decided to intervene, only to meet a hostile and aggressive Chinese response in the form of attacks on our military bases in Japan, can anyone think of a realistic response by America?

Have our Ambassador call them and tell 'em to back the heck up or every federal bond that they try to cash in will be denied as a fake.

We're holding a lot of their money, even though people seem to think it's the other way around.

Fern

 

[Capt Caveman]

You gotta be kidding us.

 

[Fern]

^ Sarcasm meter broken?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Fern

If something really bad happen between Taiwan and China and America decided to intervene, only to meet a hostile and aggressive Chinese response in the form of attacks on our military bases in Japan, can anyone think of a realistic response by America?

Have our Ambassador call them and tell 'em to back the heck up or every federal bond that they try to cash in will be denied as a fake.

We're holding a lot of their money, even though people seem to think it's the other way around.

Fern

That's not even legal.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Fern

If something really bad happen between Taiwan and China and America decided to intervene, only to meet a hostile and aggressive Chinese response in the form of attacks on our military bases in Japan, can anyone think of a realistic response by America?

Have our Ambassador call them and tell 'em to back the heck up or every federal bond that they try to cash in will be denied as a fake.

We're holding a lot of their money, even though people seem to think it's the other way around.

Fern

Collapsing the monetary credibility of the US is probably not a good idea.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Fern

If something really bad happen between Taiwan and China and America decided to intervene, only to meet a hostile and aggressive Chinese response in the form of attacks on our military bases in Japan, can anyone think of a realistic response by America?

Have our Ambassador call them and tell 'em to back the heck up or every federal bond that they try to cash in will be denied as a fake.

We're holding a lot of their money, even though people seem to think it's the other way around.

Fern

Collapsing the monetary credibility of the US is probably not a good idea.

he wants his treasuries to pay out more