American & Israeli intelligence community distrust Trump so much they withold intelligence from him

[Phokus]

The fact that they believe the Trump administration will leak intelligence to Russia speaks volumes about how untrustworthy Trump and his cronies are. This is what treason looks like.

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.771278

 

[blankslate]

Well.

When you have a far right white nationalist on the intelligence committee what can you expect?

I mean seriously why would Israel share intelligence that would be seen by that walking talking bag of human feces?

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[momeNt]

The fact that they believe the Trump administration will leak intelligence to Russia speaks volumes about how untrustworthy Trump and his cronies are. This is what treason looks like.

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.771278

Fairly sure that even if they believe that, to withhold information from the administration could end up being treasonous in itself. Why not bait and catch and get them ousted for treason rather than just withhold and be convicted themselves?

 

[bshole]

The fact that they believe the Trump administration will leak intelligence to Russia speaks volumes about how untrustworthy Trump and his cronies are. This is what treason looks like.

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.771278

Their job is to gather intelligence and report it to the appropriate elected official. If they don't do that, they are rogue and unaccountable to anybody. I agree with you that if the report is true, the actions of the intelligence agencies are treasonous.

 

[JSt0rm]

Their job is to gather intelligence and report it to the appropriate elected official. If they don't do that, they are rogue and unaccountable to anybody. I agree with you that if the report is true, the actions of the intelligence agencies are treasonous.

maybe they know something about trump that we dont.

 

[pauldun170]

If you want to get the secrets, just become a Mar-a-Lago member and eavesdrop.
http://theslot.jezebel.com/mar-a-lago-members-got-a-front-row-seat-to-trumps-nucle-1792299754
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.html?_r=0

 

[Phokus]

Their job is to gather intelligence and report it to the appropriate elected official. If they don't do that, they are rogue and unaccountable to anybody. I agree with you that if the report is true, the actions of the intelligence agencies are treasonous.

Flynn is about to get the axe because he discussed lifting sanctions with Russian diplomats before Trump was even president, probably violating the Logan act too. People under him can't even get security clearances because the Trump administration is so compromised. I think the intelligence community is doing their patriotic duty in not allowing state secrets to be handed over the Russia.

 

[PokerGuy]

Their job is to gather intelligence and report it to the appropriate elected official. If they don't do that, they are rogue and unaccountable to anybody. I agree with you that if the report is true, the actions of the intelligence agencies are treasonous.

This. Their job isn't to make determinations about the commander in chief (well, not the US intelligence services anyway, foreign ones is a different matter of course). Their job is to gather intelligence, perform analysis and provide that product to the elected officials to use. If the elected officials misuse that information that's a different matter but certainly not up to the intel agencies to decide.

Funny that OP suggests actual treasonous activity is appropriate reaction to dealing with a POTUS he don't like, but then turns around and says "this is what treason looks like" referring to the president and his administration. I'm sure the irony is lost on him though

 

[alien42]

i thought about starting this very same thread using this article - http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/

very detailed and from a reliable source.

 

[alien42]

This. Their job isn't to make determinations about the commander in chief (well, not the US intelligence services anyway, foreign ones is a different matter of course). Their job is to gather intelligence, perform analysis and provide that product to the elected officials to use. If the elected officials misuse that information that's a different matter but certainly not up to the intel agencies to decide.

Funny that OP suggests actual treasonous activity is appropriate reaction to dealing with a POTUS he don't like, but then turns around and says "this is what treason looks like" referring to the president and his administration. I'm sure the irony is lost on him though

it sounds like everything is still lost on you. there are currently at least six intelligence agencies investigating the Kremlin's ties to the Trump administration, what exactly do you think that means?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

it sounds like everything is still lost on you. there are currently at least six intelligence agencies investigating the Kremlin's ties to the Trump administration, what exactly do you think that means?

Clearly it means Hillary and the left can't accept she lost and this is sour grapes. Duh.









/s just in case.

 

[zinfamous]

I mean seriously why would Israel share intelligence that would be seen by that walking talking bag of human feces?

I believe this is unfair to feces.

 

[Phokus]

This. Their job isn't to make determinations about the commander in chief (well, not the US intelligence services anyway, foreign ones is a different matter of course). Their job is to gather intelligence, perform analysis and provide that product to the elected officials to use. If the elected officials misuse that information that's a different matter but certainly not up to the intel agencies to decide.

Funny that OP suggests actual treasonous activity is appropriate reaction to dealing with a POTUS he don't like, but then turns around and says "this is what treason looks like" referring to the president and his administration. I'm sure the irony is lost on him though

You support Trump, by extension, you support Russia over American interests. Talk about treason.

 

[zinfamous]

This. Their job isn't to make determinations about the commander in chief (well, not the US intelligence services anyway, foreign ones is a different matter of course). Their job is to gather intelligence, perform analysis and provide that product to the elected officials to use. If the elected officials misuse that information that's a different matter but certainly not up to the intel agencies to decide.

I don't disagree with this.

Here's the kicker, though: What if the CIA and Mossad have reasonable intelligence and evidence that informs them that, technically, Donald really isn't the US president? If they know that he is working as much for Russia as he is the US, what do you call him? That is far-fetched, obviously, but I'm simply humoring the issue.

 

[Commodus]

As easy as it is for Trump loyalists to shout "omg withholding intel from the President is treason," it's not if there's reason to believe that the President might relay that intel to Russia, knowingly or carelessly. And that's the sad part about Trump -- while it's doubtful that he's a Russian mole, he's at least sympathetic to the point where he might discuss secrets without realizing the damage he's doing.

I should stress that I'm taking this with a grain of salt, since the Observer isn't the same as, say, the New York Times or Washington Post. However, this is definitely the leakiest administration in recent history... and combined with the Mar-a-Lago dinner gaffe and the Flynn scandal, it paints a pretty consistent picture.

 

[HomerJS]

Speaking of Flynn they structured questioners at Trudeau/Trump Q&A so no questions on Flynn came up. I smell a rat. They also sent that troll out on the Sunday shows with no information.

 

[Grooveriding]

If this is true they wouldn't be doing it just for shits and giggles. If it's genuine, hopefully they are rapidly closing in and readying to flush the turd. I would think a problem would be the information proving ties would be classified.

So how do they get it in the right hands where it can be actioned on while circumventing the people in the white house ?

 

[fskimospy]

I don't disagree with this.

Here's the kicker, though: What if the CIA and Mossad have reasonable intelligence and evidence that informs them that, technically, Donald really isn't the US president? If they know that he is working as much for Russia as he is the US, what do you call him? That is far-fetched, obviously, but I'm simply humoring the issue.

It is an interesting line to tiptoe around as the intelligence community has a duty to the president and a duty to the country. I sincerely doubt in this case that they would refuse a request for intelligence flat out (and I don't think they should be able to) but if they have a genuine, well grounded concern that vital national security information could be leaked to the Russians either purposefully or through incompetence I am perfectly fine with them using their discretion as to what information they forward to the administration without being specifically requested.

 

[BoomerD]

The problem is...even if they prove The Donald handed all our secrets over to Putin personally...served them up on a Trump™ branded gold (plated) platter, there's not a chance in hell that the Republicans would vote to impeach...nor would the Republican Attorney General prosecute him.

 

[kage69]

Sounds like required sanity with an admin like this, but one more reason why this mentally ill manbaby needs to go.

How unsurprising that the Dump fluffers are incensed by news of the intel community acting on it's conscious, yet when James Comey does it, well then, that's different...

 

[kage69]

The problem is...even if they prove The Donald handed all our secrets over to Putin personally...served them up on a Trump™ branded gold (plated) platter, there's not a chance in hell that the Republicans would vote to impeach...nor would the Republican Attorney General prosecute him.

I disagree, I think there is a chance. The vast majority of this country can't stand the clown. Republicans eat their own, and both Pence and Ryan wouldn't mind being president. As the last couple years have shown us, anything can happen.

 

[Zorba]

I disagree, I think there is a chance. The vast majority of this country can't stand the clown. Republicans eat their own, and both Pence and Ryan wouldn't mind being president. As the last couple years have shown us, anything can happen.

I think Ryan just needs to figure out a way to ditch Pence and Trump at the same time. Making himself the president. That would inspire him to move things along. I personally disagree with much of Ryan's policy positions, but I've never questioned his sanity and I think he would know how to run an administration.

I doubt it'll be that hard to come up with a noose big enough for both Pence and Trump.

 

[Homerboy]

The problem is...even if they prove The Donald handed all our secrets over to Putin personally...served them up on a Trump™ branded gold (plated) platter, there's not a chance in hell that the Republicans would vote to impeach...nor would the Republican Attorney General prosecute him.

Going to have to disagree here. If there's clear evidence that there's been monkey business, while they may not WANT to bite the (tiny) hand that has been feeding them, they'd have to or they themselves could end up in crosshairs (figurative and literal)

 

[zinfamous]

It is an interesting line to tiptoe around as the intelligence community has a duty to the president and a duty to the country. I sincerely doubt in this case that they would refuse a request for intelligence flat out (and I don't think they should be able to) but if they have a genuine, well grounded concern that vital national security information could be leaked to the Russians either purposefully or through incompetence I am perfectly fine with them using their discretion as to what information they forward to the administration without being specifically requested.

We have to remind ourselves, don't we, that back in August or maybe earlier, Donald was classified by former CIA operatives and analysts as a "Retarded actor" (old term, I think there is the new "PC" version of this designation).

The CIA and world intelligence community already had serious reserves about this man. He's far too stupid to be an actual active mole, but that is the problem--he's imminently capable of working within Russia's best interest, and against the US, simply because he's too stupid to understand that this is exactly what he is doing. Further, anyone that thinks that Russia does not have the same intel on the Trump family and the RNC that they leaked about the Clintons and the DNC, and are holding it for blackmail purposes, are fundamentally naive.

 

[agent00f]

I disagree, I think there is a chance. The vast majority of this country can't stand the clown. Republicans eat their own, and both Pence and Ryan wouldn't mind being president. As the last couple years have shown us, anything can happen.

Going to have to disagree here. If there's clear evidence that there's been monkey business, while they may not WANT to bite the (tiny) hand that has been feeding them, they'd have to or they themselves could end up in crosshairs (figurative and literal)

It's worth pondering what their active interests are. Conservatives are loyal to a fault, not because it's any virtue, but due to repercussions from their own if they aren't.

For the sake of argument let's assume the leadership had enough of trump, their problem is it's hard to see the "establishment" winning a popularity contest against Trump with the base.