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HamSupLo

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I'm not sure how the treason charges are going to stand in court against him. If you join a militia out in Montana and start stockpiling weapons and spout anti government propaganda, it's unlikely anyone would bring treason charges still.
 

Lankin

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Well if they(a montana milita) attacked the US it would be considered terrorism, or treason, depending on what they did. If they went after military targets, it would be treason more than likely. If they went after civilian it would be terrorism, both would get the death penalty.

But with this guy, he has, fought against the US, remember we had special ops and CIA there. He was with those responisble for the death of a CIA agent. So he was basically with the enemy, and basically thats treason.
 

swayinOtis

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<< I'm not sure how the treason charges are going to stand in court against him. If you join a militia out in Montana and start stockpiling weapons and spout anti government propaganda, it's unlikely anyone would bring treason charges still. >>



That's because freedom of speech is protected by the constitution.

 

swayinOtis

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You dont need to resort to name calling to get your point accross. No one here (ie no link) mentioned he actually fought US soldiers. Changes the situation quite a bit.

BTW what happens if he renounced his citizenship?
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LOL, what a simplistic view. He was fighting for the army of our enemy. It's rather simple. I'm sure the soldiers on the ground don't have the same view as you.

I don't answer "if" questions, either, but for what it's worth, he said he supported the Sept. 11 terrorist actions against the US. He had been a Taliban for 6 months. He knew. He also was in the prison uprising in Mazar E Sharif where a US CIA officer was shot and killed. Now ask yourself "if" it is possible he pulled the trigger.

 

UNCjigga

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<< << Give me a gat and I will take care of this traitor. >> >>

Yeah, obviously you haven't played much CS lately. Gat vs. a Kalashnikov i.e. AK-47 = you're dead (unless you're cheating or al qaida didn't train him well!!!)

 

Finality

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<< LOL, what a simplistic view. He was fighting for the army of our enemy. It's rather simple. I'm sure the soldiers on the ground don't have the same view as you.

I don't answer "if" questions, either, but for what it's worth, he said he supported the Sept. 11 terrorist actions against the US. He had been a Taliban for 6 months. He knew. He also was in the prison uprising in Mazar E Sharif where a US CIA officer was shot and killed. Now ask yourself "if" it is possible he pulled the trigger.
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Err no not simplistic you must have something really large shoved up your rear end.

I merely possed the question is it still treason if he denounced citizenship. Got that "stupid".

A) He was at the time still a US citizen and should be punished as a traitor. That is of course assuming he swore the oath sometime in his life - not sure if that is implied by being the citizen of a country or not
B) He was not a US citizen at the time and as a result should be tried as any Afghani war criminal/terrorist/whatever. Unless once again regardless if you renounce citizenship you are still bound by whatever oath you took.

Do you understand the point I am trying to get at? Its like trying to prosecute a US citizen in China for treason. At most you could convict them of espoinage. Get my point?

Its not a simplistic view I just choose not to make a blanket decision about everything that comes through these forums. Perhaps you should try it some day might get your blood pressure lowered by oooooohhhh I dunno 50 points.
 

ddave

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I was watching the news and they said the special ops took him to a hospital where its warm to get treatment. How come they're treating this guy differently? Isn't he a war criminal?

If he is tried for treason, hang him!
If they can't find any way to charge him for treason, then he should be tried with the other "foreign" talibans. If the US goverment doesn't punish this guy severly, it'll be sad.
 

b0mbrman

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Jun 1, 2001
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Isn't he a war criminal?

I'm pretty sure they didn't put him in charge of anything...he's probably just another POW
 

Brutuskend

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I say revoke his citizenship, and leave him there to take his chances with the N.A. when we leave.

I think ANYTHING they do to him would be worse than what we would do.

And his citizenship is GONE as far as I'm concerned.

Leaving him there just MIGHT save some camels dignity (if you know what I mean!!)
 

tcsenter

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<< This is the kind of idiot who goes flag burning because mommy and daddy got divorced and he needs to rebel. Give me a gat and I will take care of this traitor. >>

Exactly, if you read the article his mother mentions uppity-liberalite language such as "social justice". He was raised in a DC suburban socialite environment. You know what we would have if he had not made his "trek" to Pakistan? Yup, a flag-burning Berkeley student. Guaranteed.
 

Kayes

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his father on Larry King

Larry King Excerpt

I feel that since this guy gone go join a foreign army and get caught in the process, he should be treated as other foreign Taliban troop.
Let the Northern Alliance, capturing force deal with him.

Dealing with him separately will give the world the impression of how hypocritical US is.

Hhhmm, normal Taliban, die!
US Taliban, ok here a special medical treatment etc etc

Not to mention he might be Al Qaieda too.
 

Lucky

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<< Treason? Against the US?

For fighting the Northern Alliance?
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Well said. Its not like this guy joined the taliban right after 9/11 just to fight the US. He's been with them for 6 months, is not high up in the organization, and like the quote above says, if he was part of the prison revolt, he was fighting against the NA primarily, not the US. The US had maybe 6-12 personel involved in helping to quell that riot, and thats straight from rumsfeld's mouth.
 

Kenazo

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"We want to give him a big hug. I also want to give him maybe a little kick in the butt for not telling me what he was up to and for not getting my permission, because I would not have given him permission to go to Afghanistan." Quote from his father on Larry King Live


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His parents are freaking losers if they think he only deserves a 'kick in the butt'
 

Harvey

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The bozo really is a couple frejoles short of a combination plate. He has also been quoted as saying he agreed with the 9/11 attacks. :|

He may be guilty of treason, which carries the death penalty, espeically in times of war. However, there is presently no official declaration of war, which would have to be passed by Congress, so the death penalty may not be applicable.

If you think about it, aside from satisfying some blood lust, killing him wouldn't serve much of a purpose. Life without parole should keep him from being any more of a problem for anyone.

I also saw his father on TV. He's a bit shy in his comprehension of his son's actions. That "kick in the ass" he talks about needs to be with a size 13 combat boot permanently implanted way up his son's size 9 a-hole.
 

AnMig

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Maybe he is a deep undercover agent for the CIA. But then again that would be expecting to much from the cia.

He should be treated like any other taliban fighter, my only concern is that the taliban and afghanistan people switch sides
a lot depending on the current situation. I will not be surprised if the same taliban people that we are fighting today will be our allies
the next day. Cant they just choose a side and stick to it.

If this guy born and bred in the usa can be turned into a osama bin laden follower in 2-3 months, I am not surprised that native afganistan people who are trained and exposed to this type of ideology since childhood can be turned into American/Israel hating suicide bombers.

His intentions may have started well (learning Islam/helping poor people) but somewhere along the way he got converted. Makes you think if we where placed in a similar situation would we have turned out the same way.


peace
 

Leon

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We should just strap him to 15,000lbs "Daisy Cutter" and let him go....













 

AndrewR

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Traitor or not he knows how to kill and probably wouldn't think twice about cutting your throat.

It sure was proven how well those Taliban fight. I'm particularly impressed by how many aircraft we have lost to those unbeatable MANPADs like the Stinger. Every one of those talking heads was right on target when we started this whole thing -- we've lost so many aircraft to those missiles.

he's probably just another POW

Haven't you heard? The new term is EPW -- Enemy Prisoner of War. Some moron general had to justify receiving another star on his shoulder.

Well said. Its not like this guy joined the taliban right after 9/11 just to fight the US. He's been with them for 6 months, is not high up in the organization, and like the quote above says, if he was part of the prison revolt, he was fighting against the NA primarily, not the US. The US had maybe 6-12 personel involved in helping to quell that riot, and thats straight from rumsfeld's mouth.

Oh, for fsck's sake already -- you liberals are outdoing yourselves this time. When the U.S. began combat operations within Afghanistan, that little sh|t stain became a traitor when he failed to lay down his weapon. There were "only 6-12 personel [sic]" in the prison? Did you happen to notice THAT ONE OF THEM DIED? Latest information I heard is that he was kicked, beaten, and bit to death. Who knows, maybe he fired his little AK up at an F-14 that was buzzing his position before he was captured. That's enough to execute him in my book, and I believe that the F-14 crew would agree with me.

If anyone deserved the death penalty for treason, it's this pathetic example of humanity. We don't even need to bring him back here -- convene a military court aboard one of the carriers.

However, there is presently no official declaration of war, which would have to be passed by Congress, so the death penalty may not be applicable

So, the active engagement of US forces in combat operations on a sustained scale within a particular theater and against a specific country's leadership with authorization from Congress does not qualify as a "war"? Fascinating.

Actually, I'd say the more applicable aspect of the definition of this prick is whether or not the term "American" actually applies to him. After all, it's a serious insult to those of us who actually support our country. Another solution to the problem is to just declare that he was an EPW killed in an escape attempt (from the prison). We would just be retroactively applying the allowed use of lethal force.
 

Lucky

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Well said. Its not like this guy joined the taliban right after 9/11 just to fight the US. He's been with them for 6 months, is not high up in the organization, and like the quote above says, if he was part of the prison revolt, he was fighting against the NA primarily, not the US. The US had maybe 6-12 personel involved in helping to quell that riot, and thats straight from rumsfeld's mouth.

Oh, for fsck's sake already -- you liberals are outdoing yourselves this time. When the U.S. began combat operations within Afghanistan, that little sh|t stain became a traitor when he failed to lay down his weapon. There were "only 6-12 personel [sic]" in the prison? Did you happen to notice THAT ONE OF THEM DIED? Latest information I heard is that he was kicked, beaten, and bit to death. Who knows, maybe he fired his little AK up at an F-14 that was buzzing his position before he was captured. That's enough to execute him in my book, and I believe that the F-14 crew would agree with me.
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Who pissed in your cereal today wanker? What does it matter is one of them died (though that is terrible!) It doesnt change the fact that we had, at the most, half-a-handful of US personel fighting against them. And good thing your speculations are not legally binding for executions! Last I heard, this "american taliban" was actually about to surrender as the riot began, only to be pulled back as other taliban began throwing grenades at the NA officials.



So, the active engagement of US forces in combat operations on a sustained scale within a particular theater and against a specific country's leadership with authorization from Congress does not qualify as a "war"? Fascinating.



Well we sure havent declared war!
 

AndrewR

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Who pissed in your cereal today wanker? What does it matter is one of them died (though that is terrible!) It doesnt change the fact that we had, at the most, half-a-handful of US personel fighting against them. And good thing your speculations are not legally binding for executions! Last I heard, this "american taliban" was actually about to surrender as the riot began, only to be pulled back as other taliban began throwing grenades at the NA officials.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I am a member of the US intelligence community and could very well be in a similar position to that dead CIA agent in the near future. Perhaps I recognize the sacrifice that our troops are making right at this very moment in annihilating the scum that exists in Afghanistan, and that they have no need to be further hampered by pieces of trash like that so-called "American" who is now wounded. Whether or not we had half a dozen or one hundred, that little rat bastard was still involved in violence against American operatives -- the number of them does not change the basic fact that he was in armed conflict against the United States government. Legally, that's sufficient. Who knows how many atrocities he witnessed and failed to prevent or was actively involved in committing.

I know, he's such a great American that we could name a bridge after him.
 

Lucky

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Perhaps I recognize the sacrifice that our troops are making right at this very moment in annihilating the scum that exists in Afghanistan..


Great! Im glad we agree!
 
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