You're saying you know the value of hard work, with no foreigners to pick up the slack.
After High school I worked at a landscaping company built walls planted trees etc. There was zero mexicans/south americans in our crew and maybe one in the company of 30. Although the owner was lebanese. What am I saying? who knows.
They do, but, average Americans can't afford them; hence why Repubs 'round these parts keep saying it, but nothing ever changes.
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Somehow Mexicans are aware of these types of jobs and leave their homes, friends, and families to take them. But Americans are too good for picking fruits now? Farmers have to compete against Mexican fruit, they can't pay $30/hr to pick strawberries.You somehow think poor people in the Southeast are even aware of such jobs in CA? Or think they can travel such a distance?
Leaving behind their homes, their friends, their family for a minor improvement in income, for a higher cost of living...
Not to mention current social programs have people trained that they'll lose benefits if they earn more income. Thus making it an absolute negative with no reason to uproot even if they could.
Somehow Okies figured out the housing situation:do the math. 12.50/hr ~ 25k/year...for hard labor with what kind of benefits, exactly? in california, of all places, where it can be horrendously expensive to live? the median home value in santa barbara county is 930k according to a quick google. and its not a small county, either, so the farther away you live, the more gas eats into what little earnings are being made.
there's a shortage of labor, so increase the wages until the demand is filled. this isn't fucking rocket science, but everyone wants to pay nothing - whether it's for the end product or the labor to make (harvest) it. god forbid goods actually cost moderately more in order to provide people with semi-reasonable wages.
If Citizens won't take the work they should pay more.
The problem I see is, there's not enough money in the bottom-end of the system right now. Buyers can't afford more expensive food, farmers can't afford labor to pick the food (machine or human), meanwhile billionaires are sitting on tax-free warchests afraid to spend anything because 'the economy is rocky'.Are you willing to pay more for your vegetables and fruits? Because we can all expect to pay more if the farmers have to put out more money for someone to pick the berries. How much should they give them? $25 a hour? $50 an hour? $100k a year. Let's be realistic.
The problem I see is, there's not enough money in the bottom-end of the system right now. Buyers can't afford more expensive food, farmers can't afford labor to pick the food (machine or human), meanwhile billionaires are sitting on tax-free warchests afraid to spend anything because 'the economy is rocky'.
For McDonalds, it leads to less profit per burger, you can't necessarily extrapolate that to every industry. I wager most farmers aren't making record profits right now, especially in places like CA where recent droughts have completely destroyed some crops (non-grandfathered tree fruits/nuts for instance)I dunno, I think this is like a McDonalds minimum wage increase. They don't lead to $25 burgers.
How many oranges can one pick in an hour, how much cost increase does a $6 per hour wage increase effect each unit sold.
I truly do not know the answer but I'd guess it would be pocket change per item.
do the math. 12.50/hr ~ 25k/year...for hard labor with what kind of benefits, exactly? in california, of all places, where it can be horrendously expensive to live? the median home value in santa barbara county is 930k according to a quick google. and its not a small county, either, so the farther away you live, the more gas eats into what little earnings are being made.
there's a shortage of labor, so increase the wages until the demand is filled. this isn't fucking rocket science, but everyone wants to pay nothing - whether it's for the end product or the labor to make (harvest) it. god forbid goods actually cost moderately more in order to provide people with semi-reasonable wages.
Let me ask you this?
Are you willing to pay more for your vegetables and fruits? Because we can all expect to pay more if the farmers have to put out more money for someone to pick the berries. How much should they give them? $25 a hour? $50 an hour? $100k a year. Let's be realistic.
You pay what the market will bear. The entire point of this thread is that the labor isn't willing to do that kind of work for those shit wages. This isn't rocket science. Increase the wages until people are eager to do that work.
I'm surprised Red states even have social programs at this point.
Let me ask you this?
Are you willing to pay more for your vegetables and fruits? Because we can all expect to pay more if the farmers have to put out more money for someone to pick the berries.
How much should they give them? $25 a hour? $50 an hour? $100k a year. Let's be realistic.
The point of a capitalist system is to get labor to do what it does not want by paying wages high enough to get it done.http://www.independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/
So $12.50 per hour, not exactly luxury, but better than welfare, plus California is Medicaid expansion state, so you'd have state benefits too. We are hearing how tough working class folks in Trumped states have it, but there is no big rush of "Okies" to take these jobs that are in desperate need of filling. Is it racism, are Americans too uppity to take "Mexican" jobs? Whatever happened to the good old days?
Time to MAGA.
I'm surprised Red states even have social programs at this point.
So what we need is a reverse-tax on whole plant products paid for by a tax on non whole-plant products.Tough issue. On one hand, nobody wants to pay more for produce.
On the other, despite the (somewhat decent) wage those workers have no benefits and are taken advantage of. One step up from slave labor considering the position they are in (travel to get a job so they can feed their family, not like they are likely to say "Take this job and shove it" easily). But then, how many people really care if their $10 shirt is made by kids in cambodia working 16 hour days?
I'll retract if those growers actually do offer any kind of benefits, it was my impression they don't. Personally I'd have to be very desperate as an older office worker (as many out-of-work people are) to take a physically demanding job with no benefits at all (insurace, workers comp etc)
The MAGA crowd firmly believes they're going back to the 1950s. They think an unskilled employee, who does a job anyone can be trained to do in a week, will get paid a 60K+ salary to assemble toasters on the factory floor. It's just the evil globalists keeping them from the promised land of high paying work for no skills/no education employees.
control your imagination or enjoy your trip to crazy town.
You ever been to a red state?
This, exactly, and well said. There is no magic wage that a particular job is worth. A job's proper wage is set by the intersection of what one person is willing to pay and another is willing to accept. In this particular case, that is not a $12.50 job. Maybe it's a $22.50 job, or a $32.50 job.do the math. 12.50/hr ~ 25k/year...for hard labor with what kind of benefits, exactly? in california, of all places, where it can be horrendously expensive to live? the median home value in santa barbara county is 930k according to a quick google. and its not a small county, either, so the farther away you live, the more gas eats into what little earnings are being made.
there's a shortage of labor, so increase the wages until the demand is filled. this isn't fucking rocket science, but everyone wants to pay nothing - whether it's for the end product or the labor to make (harvest) it. god forbid goods actually cost moderately more in order to provide people with semi-reasonable wages.
Forget Laissez Faire: It's a POC job, it should have POC wages.This, exactly, and well said. There is no magic wage that a particular job is worth. A job's proper wage is set by the intersection of what one person is willing to pay and another is willing to accept. In this particular case, that is not a $12.50 job. Maybe it's a $22.50 job, or a $32.50 job.
If you are unemployed coal miner or plant worker, you can pick strawberries that Mexicans won't. Similar level of skill and endurance required. I am sorry if you thought that kicking out immigrants means you are going to be a data scientist at Google because some H1Bs leave.