Somehow Mexicans are aware of these types of jobs and leave their homes, friends, and families to take them. But Americans are too good for picking fruits now? Farmers have to compete against Mexican fruit, they can't pay $30/hr to pick strawberries.
I didn't realize our current Congress and Trump supporters were such big fans of the New Deal.Sounds like you are advocating the repealing of all the programs associated with the New Deal. Good luck getting that through Congress.
If you are unemployed coal miner or plant worker, you can pick strawberries that Mexicans won't. Similar level of skill and endurance required. I am sorry if you thought that kicking out immigrants means you are going to be a data scientist at Google because some H1Bs leave.
And as for crops rotting in the fields, it's the nature of the agriculture business that each year a few of the many scores of different crops will grow in such abundance or at an inconvenient time or both that it's not worth harvesting some of them. In 2006, for example, it was pears. So, each fall, the growers' lobbyists issue press releases about how pears or brussels sprouts or avocados or whatever it is this year are "rotting in the fields" due to the horrible burden of having to pay stoop laborers in expensive California $8.50 an hour (or whatever it is) for seasonal work.
The costs of workers hired directly by the farms didn’t grow at all between 2010 and 2011, according to the latest data from the Department of Agriculture. It contracted 3.8 percent, from $23.5 billion to $22.6 billion. Next year it is forecast by the Department of Agriculture to shrink by another 2.1 percent. In light of the rising revenues and profits of farms, this is not a labor market experiencing a worker shortage.
What’s more, the total cost of hired labor on farms nationwide is still below pre-crisis levels, while farm profits are well above pre-crisis levels. This implies that far from farms seeing a labor shortage, there’s something of a farm labor glut going on.
So since the Bad Man scared off all your POC wage workers, I suppose you'll have to find a continent to raid to find people you can force to work for the wages you see fit, eh?Forget Laissez Faire: It's a POC job, it should have POC wages.
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I'm fairly sure I misunderstood you... I'm just not sure how.So since the Bad Man scared off all your POC wage workers, I suppose you'll have to find a continent to raid to find people you can force to work for the wages you see fit, eh?
I am saying that there is no appropriate wage, any more than there is any appropriate level of profit. In fact - and I say this as a business owner - a maximum level of profit for a given job would be far less damaging to our society than a maximum wage for a given job. It's one thing to set a minimum wage, but quite another to manipulate laws to depress wages at near the bottom of the economic scale. Allowing and encouraging a flood of low skill illegals willing to work for minimum wage (and thereby depressing wages for all low skilled Americans) is ethically worse in my opinion than enacting confiscatory income tax rates on high earners, who at least would be left better off than average. You don't have any more right to set an arbitrary wage for that job than poor people have to set an arbitrary wage for you.I'm fairly sure I misunderstood you... I'm just not sure how.
Depths of sarcasm and text just don't mix.
So, to be clear: What one sees as a historically appropriate wage has a huge impact on how much that job gets paid - this is because we 'adjust' market forces, such as through increased immigration, decreased worker protection, and so on, to maintain the wages we expect for a particular job.
Automation may one day replace all jobs - but for now there are people being pressed into slave labor in the US. How do I know? I'm working with these folks:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-t...ery-conditions-on-tomato-farms_b_6735842.html
The point of a capitalist system is to get labor to do what it does not want by paying wages high enough to get it done.
If that means we get fewer oranges at higher prices, but those prices are high enough to pay someone the $50 an hour needed to attract enough orange pickers - that's what the market says.
I don't agree with it - but that's the system we've chosen to play by. We should let it kill us so we can see how important a more intentional system of economics is.
The answer is there is a balance, but we can't even reach that point because the Politicians on both sides of the aisle have so created a mess with the illegal invasion situation that it is near impossible to fix. It's like Israel/"Palestine": Something that never should have been a problem, was created, intentionally, and now it's grown and festered for so long it's a clusterfuck to try and right. One thing is for sure: Asking nicely, asking sternly, doesn't cut it. The flood will keep coming. Business people will keep exploiting. There needs to be real physical checks on people coming in, and real pain for people employing illegals. We can't have half a solution, we need a whole solution (and F no, that solution isn't Open Borders/quasi-Open Borders).
If you are unemployed coal miner or plant worker, you can pick strawberries that Mexicans won't. Similar level of skill and endurance required. I am sorry if you thought that kicking out immigrants means you are going to be a data scientist at Google because some H1Bs leave.
Americans are too good for picking fruits now
Maybe we should incentivize all the heroin addicts and pill poppers in West Virginia/KY/OH/PA to move west and give them some fresh air and productive work to do.
You would think those states would be completely empty because everyone followed the work but nope. In another thread vi edit asked what Dems could do to reclaim the hillbilly vote and he pointed out that many rural whites are quite happy in the shacks and trailers with no plumbing and whatnot; and not motivated to leave the area for any reason including money. They expect someone to build an economy around them instead of them having to go where the jobs are.
Based upon that conversation we are back to needing immigrants to do the work in the fields because evidently those toothless self-entitled welfare recipients would rather tap their bare feet on their rotting porches in Appalachia and wait for a handout. That's infuriating.
"The Lord helps he who helps himself" If these folks were God fearing as they claim they'd climb down off the mountain and get a job. I can remember my racist father yelling at poor unfortunate black folks who cross too slowly in front of the car "GET A JOB YA GODDAMN N WORD!"
No you can't because that never happened.
Staying where you are hoping things will get better is a good way to starve. Most places I've lived don't give a damn about a police record.I would LOVE a job right now. Havent been working for years.
Got a misdemeanor on my record and employers wont even talk to me.
Illegals dont have a background to check. And no one admits it but secretly I think they actually prefer it that way.
Rather verbose elaboration for the emotional need to get them mexicans before they rape them white womens.
Oh the misogyny!
Sure, if anyone is going to have sex with their daughters it's going to be them.
How and why are you too good to pick fruit, Shitstack? Explain this to me. I've got a hard science degree and I work two food service jobs (one's only on Saturday) as well as a computer job. I don't think I'm "too good" for food service. What makes you "too good" for picking fruit?
Hell, from the stuff you post here, I get the impression you'd have difficulty with the thinking end of fruitpicking.