Americas Shame: US Marines to Withdraw from Fallujah

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Maybe it's just to prepare for carpet bombing by flights of B-52's. Probably not, though- America doesn't have the stomach for real imperialism.

Well, why no just nuke Iraq??? Hmmm wait, it was Operation Iraq Freedom, right?

So, where are those WMDs???:roll:

 

[Shelly21]

Why did we kick the hornet's nest and then not remove the nest?

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Shelly21
Why did we kick the hornet's nest and then not remove the nest?

because they have no plan

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040429_194.html


If this is true, I am stunned. If this is true the whole world will see that a bunch of terrorists stood fast against us and we caved..

This makes me sick. I understand we were under International pressure to find a peaceful resolution, but since when have we caved to International pressure in the face of doing what's right? Oh ya...when Clinton was in office...but when since Bush took office?

That place is a rat's nest and the rats won't exterminate themselves. I can't imagine the Marines are very happy about such a response to the killing of many of their own.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: xype

Originally posted by: alchemize
No sense arguing against the left.

If you destroy the city, the left screams. If you try and reach a middle ground, the left screams. If you question what they would do, they say "I wouldn't be there in the first place". If you grant them that point, but then point out reality and ask what they would do, they wander off to another thread and ignore the question.

The reality being that the US wants their oil? Or that North Korea is treating their people like dirt but, unlike a country starved for 10 years, could actually put up a decent fight if the US started to mess aroun with them, so it was easier to use Saddam to show people how strong a nation they are?

Bread and games?

exactly, there are few in the US that even care about the people in Iraq. Look what happened in Africa in Rwanda over a million people died in less that 100 days.....we didnt even blink. ITs ALL about power, money and plunder.:brokenheart:

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Well put. Thank you.

Originally posted by: cumhail
Someday, maybe people will begin to understand what democracy is and stop just throwing the term around to rationalize and justify their actions. You can't force democracy on people who don't want it... and trying/pretending doing so only means that you never fully understood or believed in democracy in the first place.

Helping to lines on a map and divide Britain's former colonies into made-up Middle-eastern and Far-eastern countries with puppet dictators installed was not democratic. Supporting the dividing of the Indian subcontinent into India, West Pakistan,a nd East Pakinstan and forcibly relocating millions from their homes to other regions was not democratic. Participating in a coup to oust the democratically-elected government of Iran, installing a brutal dictator in his place, and then protecting that brutal dictator from prosecution was not democratic. Defending the French colonization of "Indochina" and overturning/ignoring the wishes of the people who would have voted a opposing party into office because it didn't fit our vision of how things should be was not democratic. Tacitly supportly a military coup in Algeria because popular elections seemed certain to give power to the Islamic party was not democratic. Using bogus arguments about the military capabilities of a sovereign nation as an excuse to destabilize the region and then seeking to install a puppet government that will represent our own interests is not democratic. And seeking to stifle those who disagree with the administration (as we see in HeroOfPellinor's recent thread, and others) is not democratic.

I think it's time for an awful lot of people to go back to the books and gain a better understanding of what democracy is before they start throwing the term around so freely.

cumhail

"Personally, I think, uh... they don't really want to be involved in this war. You know, I mean... they sort of took away our freedom and gave it to the, to the gookers, you know. But they don't want it. They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Poor dumb bastards." - "Private Eightball," trying to explain why the Vietnamese resisted our attempts to give them democracy, in Full Metal Jacket

 

[Steeplerot]

Not caved in- more like they got their asses kicked. THis is not the first time US have been pounded either.
They are reaping what they have sown from an innocent people. Not terrorists. People who have had their country invaded by ignorant leadership.
Hopefully they get their asses kicked back to the gulf and america will be more humble.
The world will forgive us, Most countrys make policty mistakes with bad leadership. Hell Germany is a pretty decent place to live and we all know who their leader war 60 odd years ago.
Even better the troops start speaking out and tell Bush to take a hike or go sh1t on the Iraqis himself if he wants their oil.

 

[NightCrawler]

The problem with Fallujah:

* We shut down a arab newspaper
* They go nuts and attack four people
* We retaliate and kill 700+ people sparking a small uprising
* We use 500 pounds but can't blowup the mosque where they are actually hiding.
* 100 more US soldiers are now dead

Lesson 1: probably a bad idea to shutdown the paper
Lesson 2: should have left well enough alone after they killed the 4 civillians.....they looked really bad in the world's eye !!!!






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[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
The problem with Fallujah:

* We shut down a arab newspaper
* They go nuts and attack four people
* We retaliate and kill 700+ people sparking a small uprising
* We use 500 pounds but can't blowup the mosque where they are actually hiding.
* 100 more US soldiers are now dead

Lesson 1: probably a bad idea to shutdown the paper
Lesson 2: should have left well enough alone after they killed the 4 civillians.....they looked really bad in the world's eye !!!!






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The newspaper probably didn't have much to do with Fallujah. The newspaper sparked the Shiite uprising of Al Sadr.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Not caved in- more like they got their asses kicked. THis is not the first time US have been pounded either.
They are reaping what they have sown from an innocent people. Not terrorists. People who have had their country invaded by ignorant leadership.
Hopefully they get their asses kicked back to the gulf and america will be more humble.
The world will forgive us, Most countrys make policty mistakes with bad leadership. Hell Germany is a pretty decent place to live and we all know who their leader war 60 odd years ago.
Even better the troops start speaking out and tell Bush to take a hike or go sh1t on the Iraqis himself if he wants their oil.

ahhh location: San Franciso.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Gotta pull the troops out of the way for the missiles to go in =D.

 

[Steeplerot]

Ahh yes: Tennessee
What is your point?

 

[adlep]

2nd Somalia...
I think that I should apply for a job in CIA.
I have much more insight into the international relations than these ignorant Americans...
Either CIA did not have a clue about WMD in Iraq and the entire consequences of the war or...
They don't have enough balls to say NO to Chimp...
Either way we are fvucked big time...

 

[chrisms]

While Fallujah is beautiful and has pleased me well, I agree with the decision to pull out, for I do not want to impregnate her and be stuck with the child support.

 

[0marTheZealot]

We created the problem in the first place. Back in the mid 60s, the CIA backed the leader of the Ba'athists in a coup. I wonder who that was.... OH YEA IT WAS SADDAM HUSSEIN.

We know he had WMDs because we freeking sold them to him. What was the problem gassing the kurds and Iranians back in the 80s? None, becaue he was a buddy. If anyone of you are old enough, you will remember Rumsfield "good will" trip to Saddam in the 80s. I mean seriously. We reap what we sow. Installing and supporting corrupt dictators can only lead to hatred. And this is the main reason for Middle Eastern hatred for America.

 

[jmelnek]

The U.S. should just level the place, turn it back to desert. We are going to get stuck rebuilding anyways...

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
The problem with Fallujah:

* We shut down a arab newspaper
* They go nuts and attack four people
* We retaliate and kill 700+ people sparking a small uprising
* We use 500 pounds but can't blowup the mosque where they are actually hiding.
* 100 more US soldiers are now dead

Lesson 1: probably a bad idea to shutdown the paper
Lesson 2: should have left well enough alone after they killed the 4 civillians.....they looked really bad in the world's eye !!!!






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It wasn't the newspaper, it was the brutal assassination of Yassin. But don't take it from me, take it from the guys who carried out the attack.



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544641272.html?from=storyrhs