Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

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Ottonomous

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How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.
 

Konan

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If the info about size and transistor count is wrong, then It doesn't need to be 7nm. If It's correct, then it's 7nm process.

Yep. Agree.

At 55MTr/mm^2 (34.5B/627) this is clearly 7nm - whether it's SS or TSMC is unsure.
KatCorgi with the 34.5B and VCZ with the 7nm...

SS 8nm would then be reserved for smaller dies. A100 has 65MTr/mm2^2 on 7nm+.

Favours to be TSMC 7nm. Samsung 7LP is likely still suffering from yield / volume issue. However, The third option is Samsung 5nm... which does have better yields but is a total outside option.

So options....
1. It’s SS 8nm (entire stack)
2. TSMC 7nm higher end SS lower end
3. TSMC 7nm (entire stack)
4. SS 5nm higher end SS 8nm lower end
5. SS 5nm (entire stack)
6. Mix of SS 5nm and TSMC 7nm

After today’s news I’m on #2 but I’m fine with #1 too!
 
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DooKey

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I predict some are going to have egg on their face one way or the other and whoever it is won't have the balls to admit they were wrong and were spreading FUD.

We have already seen that with "no consumer Ampere this year/only low end Ampere this year. They even said they were 100% right and everyone else was a fool for believing otherwise.I'm loving the crawfishing so far!
 
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tviceman

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I really hope AMD have something impressive to showcase that at *least* offers buyers considering the 3090 a choice.

All i want is Cyberpunk 2077, 3440x1440, ultra with all the ray tracing, touching 90fps. Is that too much to ask?

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AMD hasn't been competitive on the halo slot end since Fury X, over 5 years ago. I'm not saying it can't happen, but based on current products, I don't see it happening.
 

JujuFish

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You know, AMD really screwed up with 14nm, Polaris was OK at most, and only because of its price. Pascal's clockspeeds and low power consumption on the other hand were a brutal surprise for everyone. No wonder the prices were insane immediately. I mean, after the $329 970 which was really good and insanely popular, the 1070 was a whopping $500... I still bought it because it was still the best in its price category. All in all, Pascal was a great generational jump. Compared to that, Turing is a dud, I don't care what anyone says. All that's coming from a 2070S owner
Uh, the 1070 was $379. Even the FE wasn't $500 ($449).
 
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Shmee

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AMD could release a matching product or one that edges out RTX 30xx. It won't matter. Mind share and reliability are on Nv's side. It took close to a year for the RX50xx cards to be stable.
Of course it matters. It matters to me I will buy the best card within reasonable budget.
 

Shmee

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You have a lot more patience than I do with finicky hardware then.
Perhaps, but that may be the OC guy / tweaker in me. I remember back in the day trying to OC a Q6600 and DDR2 1100 RAM on an EVGA nForce 780i FTW. Interesting times, turns out the memory is much more stable on those boards when ran at a set even divider. I also remember OCing a launch i7 920, and then trading it for a D0 stepping for better OC. Next came the Gulftown 980X QS. After that I OCed a 3770k to 4.4 GHz, easy peasy. (though the first chip I got was a dud; literally DOA for me as someone before me had de-lidded it, killed it and returned it to Fry's where it was resold.) I also worked with OC on a 4930k QS.

I had 5870 CF. I next upgraded to 6950 CF and unlocked both of them. Next was the Sapphire 6950 Dual X which I first mined BTC and LTC on. I had a launch 290 from Powercolor, (with Elpida memory :/ ) which I successfully unlocked to 290X, but was unstable so I flashed it back. It also was under a waterblock for much of its life. After that, I bought 2 used 290 Tri X's from ebay, which worked great in CF in many games, though some had issues. I have had 3 Sapphire Fury cards, had 2 in CF at points. Those are actually great cards, no issues outside of possible CF issues and what turned out to be a seasonic PSU start to fail on them. (The PSU was RMAd) After the 290 CF, my main card was an MSI 1070, then a 1080Ti from Aourus. Both great cards, no issues. I also had a Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+, and a Powercolor RX 580, the Red Devil Golden Sample, with 8GB. No issues. Most recently is my 5700XT Red Devil from Powercolor, great card but huge. No issues.

I have had some minor issues with launch Ryzen, a 1700 and Gigabyte B350 with 3200MHz DDR4 from Patriot. Mostly memory took a while to tweak or get stable at relatively high clocks. Was hard to run any higher than 2933MHz, whether on a 1700, 1600X, or 2700X.

I managed to salvage an old X58 board from work, from the trash, and get it working with a Xeon X5660. This was only a couple years ago, and it has worked with 2 out of 3 memory channels till recently when the board died, refuses to power on.

In summary, I have not had too many issues with hardware, and when I do, I solve them. DOAs happen here and there, like on my 8800 Ultra, before I got an 8800 GT and the Q6600 instead.

Then again, I think you are implying that AMD (GPU ?)hardware is finicky, which for the most part I have found it is not any more so than Intel or Nvidia hardware.
 

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Those leaks specs clearly say 7nm.

I'd say that it's pretty certain that they do not use 8nm Samsung process but it's still not sure if it's Samsung 7nm or TSMC 7nm.

That "hotplate"... I wonder if it's hot enough to fry some eggs during gaming sessions.
 

Shmee

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Cool stuff. Does Gainward sell cards in USA? I don't think I have seen them much.
 

sontin

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Those leaks specs clearly say 7nm.

I'd say that it's pretty certain that they do not use 8nm Samsung process but it's still not sure if it's Samsung 7nm or TSMC 7nm.

Word is yields for Samsung's EUV process are really bad. Forced Qualcomm to go back to TSMC because the 5nm EUV process was to bad.
 

A///

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Whoah wait up. When did QC ditch TSMC for Samsung? I'm so out of the loop when it comes to mobile SoCs.


Cool stuff. Does Gainward sell cards in USA? I don't think I have seen them much.

Don't believe so. They're owned by Palit. I've never seen Palit brand or subsidiary brand cards online at major retailers or in stores throughout the years. I feel like I have seen Gainward in other forms but my memory isn't what it used to be.
 
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Olikan

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Interesting... Ampere must have some massive ipc gains, an "mere" increase of 25%, would mean that Ampere perf/watt is similar to turing, really bad for a node shrink...

yet the increase of bandwidth per flops is exacly 25%, the idea of massive caches is actualy a very good explain... yet again, caches usually decrease TDP
 
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