Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[Glo.]

IMO, if true, this probably points to a GDDR6x shortage. Don't see any other reason to lose such an easy selling point.

No. RTX 3070 was going to use GDDR6 memory. This is not the reason why it was cancelled.

 

[HurleyBird]

No. RTX 3070 was going to use GDDR6 memory. This is not the reason why it was cancelled.

How do you market a 16GB 3070 when you're stuck with only a 10GB 3080? You're sending the message that "VRAM matters" and it makes the 3080 less attractive. Like, if you leave consumers with a choice between VRAM and performance, while AMD offers both, then you're better off not offering that choice in the first place, because when consumers see those mutually exclusive options they'll instinctively want both, and you can't give them both but AMD can.

 

[Glo.]

How do you market a 16GB 3070 when you're stuck with only a 10GB 3080? You're sending the message that "VRAM matters" and it makes the 3080 less attractive. Like, if you leave consumers with a choice between VRAM and performance, while AMD offers both, then you're better off not offering that choice in the first place, because when consumers see those mutually exclusive options they'll instinctively want both, and you can't give them both but AMD can.

Ask Nvidia, about that, because that is EXACTLY what they were doing with RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 .

Why? Because they could . Its not that Nvidia cares about consumers. Nvidia cares about their money.

 

[HurleyBird]

Ask Nvidia, about that, because that is EXACTLY what they were doing with RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 .

What? The 3070 doesn't have more VRAM than the 3080.

 

[Glo.]

What? The 3070 doesn't have more VRAM than the 3080.

They were planning not only to release 16 GB VRAM 3070, but also 3070 Ti.

So again, Ask Nvidia how to market it, and why?

Why? Because they could.

 

[Head1985]

They could just lower price for 3070 8GB to 399usd and 16gb for 499usd.
3080 10GB for 650usd and 3080 20Gb for 750usd.
3070 8GB at 500usd dont make any sense anyway.Like we are where 2016?
1070 8GB
2070 8GB
2070super 8GB
3070 8GB once again?no thanks.
Also AMD can have 16GB cards for around 500usd(probably slowest navi21 6800) and nv cant?Why?

 

[sze5003]

They could just lower price for 3070 8GB to 399usd and 16gb for 499usd.
3080 10GB for 650usd and 3080 20Gb for 750usd.
3070 8GB at 500usd dont make any sense anyway.Like we are where 2016?
1070 8GB
2070 8GB
2070super 8GB
3070 8GB?
no thanks.

Yea what about those few that spent $800+ on the 3080 10Gb though? I know they don't care but it wouldn't be smart. They wouldn't lower the prices just like that. No point in speculating until amd reveals their stuff.

 

[Head1985]

Well if you are stupid and you buy overpriced crap its your fault.You know its called price war and competition.Remeber GTX280?From 650usd to 500usd after 4870 lanch haha.
Edit also GTX780 went from 650 to 500usd after 290x launch.

 

[amenx]

NVIDIA allegedly cancels GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA has just told its board partners that it will not launch GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB cards as planned. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB canceled NVIDIA allegedly cancels its December launch of GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB. This still very fresh...

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Whoops. Nvidia cancelled the launch of 16 GB RTX 3070, and 20 GB RTX 3080.

I doubt its entirely cancelled. Its just not cost effective to currently implement with 1gb modules. When 2gb modules are out next year may be when the 16/20gb models are released.

 

[Karnak]

I doubt its entirely cancelled. Its just not cost effective to currently implement with 1gb modules. When 2gb modules are out next year may be when the 16/20gb models are released.

You're mixing up GDDR6X and GDDR6. There are 2Gb modules for the latter (that's how AMD get's 16GB for N21) but only 1Gb GDDR6X until sometime next year. Since the 3070 features GDDR6 that's not a problem.

 

[HurleyBird]

They were planning not only to release 16 GB VRAM 3070, but also 3070 Ti.

So again, Ask Nvidia how to market it, and why?

They could market those because they were also to release a 20GB 3080 alongside. It's the absence of that SKU that throws a spanner in the works.

 

[CP5670]

This is disappointing. I suspect the 3080 20GB would have been too close in performance to the 3090 and eaten into the sales of that card. I'll probably still get the 10GB one but only after they become more widely available at regular prices, since I need a card with HDMI 2.1.

Yea what about those few that spent $800+ on the 3080 10Gb though? I know they don't care but it wouldn't be smart. They wouldn't lower the prices just like that. No point in speculating until amd reveals their stuff.

This actually happened in the past with the GTX 280. Nvidia did a big price drop just a few weeks after the card came out, after the AMD 4890 was almost as fast but much cheaper, and gave some rebate to the early buyers.

 

[DiogoDX]

NVIDIA allegedly cancels GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA has just told its board partners that it will not launch GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB cards as planned. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB canceled NVIDIA allegedly cancels its December launch of GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB. This still very fresh...

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Whoops. Nvidia cancelled the launch of 16 GB RTX 3070, and 20 GB RTX 3080.

My guess is that a 3080Ti 12GB using the same config as the 3090 to counter Big Navi is comming.

 

[sze5003]

This is disappointing. I suspect the 3080 20GB would have been too close in performance to the 3090 and eaten into the sales of that card. I'll probably still get the 10GB one but only after they become more widely available at regular prices, since I need a card with HDMI 2.1.



This actually happened in the past with the GTX 280. Nvidia did a big price drop just a few weeks after the card came out, after the AMD 4890 was almost as fast but much cheaper, and gave some rebate to the early buyers.

Yea I realized that is what will likely happen. I'm glad I didn't buy anything yet. I too was looking forward to a 20gb 3080.

 

[Glo.]

My guess is that a 3080Ti 12GB using the same config as the 3090 to counter Big Navi is comming.

That might be a good guess.

 

[MrTeal]

The FE and most (all?) AIB already have spots to fit the extra two modules, so it would be a pretty simple change. Positioning it while keeping the 10GB 3080 around is a challenge though, you can't do much to give it a step above the 3080 without having it close to equaling a 3090 other than VRAM, and if you don't give some kind of boost in cores you can't really charge much for what's effectively 2GB of VRAM.

 

[jpiniero]

nVidia must think it will sell out anyway regardless of what AMD does.

 

[PhoBoChai]

nVidia must think it will sell out anyway regardless of what AMD does.

That's true though. They outsell AMD even when they had the FX 5800 disaster, and even Fermi 1.0 generation.

 

[moonbogg]

A 12GB 3080Ti would be OK but kind of mediocre honestly. It would cause less of a panic than only 10GB, but that's only a measly gig over the 1080Ti and games are using more and more ram lately. 12GB still isn't enough. I wouldn't buy it. I'd go red provided the performance is there. I don't give a crap about ray tracing either. It's just not a thing yet and won't be for a few more generations still.

 

[Stuka87]

My guess is that a 3080Ti 12GB using the same config as the 3090 to counter Big Navi is comming.

Where would this even slot in? It would basically be a 3090 with half the VRAM. As the 3090 is not that much faster than a 3080. No room in between them.

My thinking is a 20GB 3080 isn't cost effective as it requires the double sided board like the 3090. Maybe nVidia was hoping for 2GB chips, but they have not materialized.

 

[beginner99]

Well if you are stupid and you buy overpriced crap its your fault.You know its called price war and competition.Remeber GTX280?From 650usd to 500usd after 4870 lanch haha.
Edit also GTX780 went from 650 to 500usd after 290x launch.

Won't happen this time. AMD is supply limited + zen3 wafers are much more profitable. AMD will simply price-match NV on performance and then claim they are better due to more vram. So you can decide if you want the soft-features like dlss or more vram.

Having said that is vram really that an issue? Especially in regards to moonboogs üosts which I'm actually really not clear if they are sarcastic or not? I'm actually still running a 290x and for example doom runs just fine at 1080p and with fine I mean at >100fps. Can't imagine modern titles at 1080p need more than 6gb and at 1080p you wouldn't care much dropping down textures 1 level anyway.

 

[Stuka87]

Won't happen this time. AMD is supply limited + zen3 wafers are much more profitable. AMD will simply price-match NV on performance and then claim they are better due to more vram. So you can decide if you want the soft-features like dlss or more vram.

Having said that is vram really that an issue? Especially in regards to moonboogs üosts which I'm actually really not clear if they are sarcastic or not? I'm actually still running a 290x and for example doom runs just fine at 1080p and with fine I mean at >100fps. Can't imagine modern titles at 1080p need more than 6gb and at 1080p you wouldn't care much dropping down textures 1 level anyway.

What evidence do you have to suggest they are supply limited? Ultimately yes there is not an infinite supply. But there isn't any evidence to suggest they won't have enough cards for a proper launch.

 

[Glo.]

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A leaked Galax roadmap confirms the upcoming GeForce RTX 30 series graphics cards. GALAX confirms GeForce RTX 3080 20GB, GeForce RTX 3060 The company has held a meeting with either employees or key partners in China. The logo in the upper left corner confirms that the slide belongs to Galax. The...

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For anybody saying that those GPUs were never planned: im sorry, they were on Nvidia roadmaps, and it appears they are currently gone.

 

[Tup3x]

Inno3D still has 20GB filter on their product page.

 

[jpiniero]

Inno3D still has 20GB filter on their product page.

I think someone mentioned this but it may not be completely cancelled. Just not being released any time soon.