Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[Glo.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283060595810430977

And this is what Kopite has said about it few weeks ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276105793910108162

But I guess he is just random Twitter guy

 

[Stuka87]

/facepalm

Reading does *Not* give you cancer. Huawei was their second largest customer. This has all been linked.

Not only are there no links in your post, the word "Huawei" does not show up ONCE in it. All you mention is nVidia and TSMC.

 

[Saylick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1282796173523390466

 

[BenSkywalker]

Not only are there no links in your post

It was a post in a discussion thread, not a tweet. Topic covered, links provided.

 

[JujuFish]

The only point saying SS is some Tweet, history and everything else says TSMC.

Link this 'everything else', please.

 

[BenSkywalker]

If you can't be bothered to read a discussion thread, maybe you should stick to Twitter.

 

[JujuFish]

If you can't be bothered to read a discussion thread, maybe you should stick to Twitter.

Mmhmm, that's what I thought.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Here you go, all the links are in this thread.

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[Lodix]

Samsung has a "working" 7nm node. 7LPP. Uses EUV.

Also has dogshite yields which is the biggest cause of the problem at hand with Nvidia and Samsung.

And I know for a fact that Samsung has had major issues with their 7 and 5nm nodes. Well to be more accurate they had issues with 7LPP that they didn't want to plague their 5nm as well, which caused issues with customers. Long story short, they're banking hard on 3GAE now to win back favour.

What do you mean by "they didn't want to pague their 5nm"? A delay or what? :S

 

[uzzi38]

What do you mean by "they didn't want to pague their 5nm"? A delay or what? :S

Sorry, I was asked not to talk about it when I first heard about it back in January. The problem was a yield one though, and as far as I heard timelines shouldn't be badly affected at least, but I won't go into any more detail as for what happened.

Sorry again.

 

[JujuFish]

*snip*

Troll harder. You're not doing it well enough.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The links were provided in this thread. This isn't a Twitter comment section, read the thread then comment. It isn't rocket science.

 

[insertcarehere]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283060595810430977

And this is what Kopite has said about it few weeks ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276105793910108162

But I guess he is just random Twitter guy

One random twitter guys leaks sorta maybe linking up with another random twitter guys leaks only proves there are two random twitter guys, not a real source.

 

[raghu78]

This!


In what world is nVidia TSMC's second largest customer? They are literally a THIRD tier customer. nVidia is dwarfed by giants such as Apple, Broadcom, Quallcom, Huawei, and yes, AMD. AMD this year moved up into a second tier position. When you combine their CPU and GPU production, they are a much larger customer than nVidia is. And this is PER TSMC, that then announced that when Apple moved their wafer requests to 5nm, AMD bought up the 7nm capacity that Apple left behind.

Yes. AMD is TSMC's largest 7nm customer as of Q3 2020 (which we are already in) with 30,000 wafers per month or roughly 21.4% of TSMC's overall 7nm wafer capacity of 140,000 wpm.

AMD to Become TSMC’s Largest 7nm Customer In 2020: Report

According to Apple Daily, AMD will become TSMC's largest 7nm customer in the second half of 2020, driven by a doubling in orders and Apple moving to 5nm.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[JujuFish]

The links were provided in this thread. This isn't a Twitter comment section, read the thread then comment. It isn't rocket science.

*makes claim* *politely gets asked for source* *cries when called out and refuses*

 

[BenSkywalker]

*butts into conversation* *demands detailed breakdown of already covered topic* *reverts to personal insults when sense of entitlement isn't fulfilled*

Yes. AMD is TSMC's largest 7nm customer as of Q3 2020 (which we are already in) with 30,000 wafers per month or roughly 21.4% of TSMC's overall 7nm wafer capacity of 140,000 wpm.

Huawei was their second largest customer and will no longer be a customer at all by mid September.

Is it entitlement or laziness that makes people post in a thread they haven't read? Honest question.

 

[MrTeal]

Where is this 12 pin microfit rumor coming from outside of a random website? It makes no sense; while the current 6+2 minifit setup is really a waste of space for the 150W it provides, changing to an entirely new connector without having PSUs that support it in the wild is madness. Their only real option would be to include a 2x8pin to 12pin cable in every box, which will be a cable management nightmare.

 

[BFG10K]

These rumors aren't looking good.

Between the behemoth cooler and the 12-pin power connector, it looks like it'll be a furnace. And VRAM is stagnating yet again virtually across the board with 8GB except for 10GB/12GB, which is no better than the 1080Ti released 2 years ago.

It looks like the manufacturing process is being absolutely red-lined, for who knows what reason. Maybe the whole thing leaks and needs a lot of power. Maybe RDNA2 is a lot better than anyone expects. I wouldn't be surprised to see 8nm initial launch and then a Super refresh to 7nm to fix some of the problems, similar to Fermi's respin.

I also fully expect Ampere will be even more expensive than the already overpriced Turing. Consumers are clearly paying for RT/Tensor R&D, not for rasterization.

Yeah, not good.

 

[uzzi38]

One random twitter guys leaks sorta maybe linking up with another random twitter guys leaks only proves there are two random twitter guys, not a real source.

The guy is a fairly well known PSU reviewer apparently and it seems to me like he's got some sort of industry knowledge given his testing methods look too in-depth for your standard reviewer.

是时候表演真正的技术了，我是怎么测电源的v1.7 – FCPOWERUP极电魔方

www.fcpowerup.com

I don't know. I don't know him personally, but I certainly don't think there's enough to assume that he's just a complete random.

 

[JujuFish]

*butts into conversation* *demands detailed breakdown of already covered topic* *reverts to personal insults when sense of entitlement isn't fulfilled*



Huawei was their second largest customer and will no longer be a customer at all by mid September.

Is it entitlement or laziness that makes people post in a thread they haven't read? Honest question.

I joined the conversation to correct you for, you know, your blatantly incorrect information. That has apparently offended thy grace and we should be ever so sorry for ever deigning to even think such thoughts.

Get off your high horse. Don't make claims if you're not going to back them up when asked about it. Never once did I ask for a detailed breakdown, I asked for links to back up what you keep falsely cclaiming.

But you know that, and thus you very clearly appear to be trolling.

 

[BenSkywalker]

What claim did I make?

I'm asking what piece of information did I offer up that was not linked to in this thread? I'm not even talking about some silly Twitter user posting some story they thought up, only links from valid news sources of course.

 

[BenSkywalker]

12-pin power connector

Unless they go off the 20 AWG standard wouldn't that still have a maximum power draw of 225 watts? My memory may be fuzzy on that one.

 

[jpiniero]

Dual 8pin (like the 2080 Ti FE) s 375 W total. I don't know how much the 12pin is, but I bet it's the same.

 

[Stuka87]

Dual 8pin (like the 2080 Ti FE) s 375 W total. I don't know how much the 12pin is, but I bet it's the same.

Looks like the 12pin will be rated at 400W. And it will most likely be included on ATX 12VO power supplies. Of which none have been announced yet.

 

[FaaR]

Looks like the 12pin will be rated at 400W.

Based on what? I'm feeling a bit sceptical over this whole thing, it would be a big departure, introducing a new connector that nobody (outside possibly some few industry insiders) has ever seen or heard of, and doing so before there's any ecosystem in the wild.