Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[uzzi38]

different source

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3070 leaked specs: up to 20GB GDDR6 RAM

NVIDIA Ampere: GA103/GA104 with 8/16GB and 10/20GB GDDR6 memory on 7nm.

www.tweaktown.com

>Source: MyDrivers
These guys are literally worse than WCCFTech.

 

[Ajay]

The problems with 7LPP for NVIDIA could probably be attributed to die sizes. 7LPP is fine for Mobile dies. Ian also mentioned N5 yields for HPC are crappy too.
But I bet NVIDIA will concentrate on HPC. Gaming is probably an afterthought.

Gaming is definitely *not* an afterthought for Nvidia, it’s still their largest revenue source:

 

[Ajay]

That wouldn't be much of an SM count increase if real (esp given how big the increase in transistor density should be). Of course they could be spending a lot more on RT.

New uarch - so apples to oranges comparison. I’m really interested to see what changes they make.

Nvidia has also been researching multi GPU for a while and made some theoretical progress (in public papers). Getting mGPU to work transparently to game engine developers is super hard. Grand slam if they pull it off though.

 

[beginner99]

Gaming is definitely *not* an afterthought for Nvidia, it’s still their largest revenue source:

Albeit that chart is misleading as many workstations will use Geforce cards (or titan cards) for deeplearning /compute and not gaming.

 

[Muhammed]

Albeit that chart is misleading as many workstations will use Geforce cards (or titan cards) for deeplearning /compute and not gaming.

Still Geforce accounts for 60% of NVIDIA's revenue, it's definitely not an afterthought, especially with their RTX and DLSS initiative that's already costing them a lot of resources.

NVIDIA will launch new next gen GPUs to keep the momentum going and to reap the rewards of their RTX investment.

 

[Muhammed]

Because according to @KOMACHI_ENSAKA the next gen Gaming GPUs will be earliest Q4 this year

https://twitter.com/x/status/1219209670620901378

???? the guys just says this:

NV should come out with a new GPU this year at TSMC 7nm EUV. The lower model might be a cold EUV.

He basically confirms NVIDIA is launching new GPU at 7nm this year .. it's Q2 ` Q3 probably considering the chatter around it ..

Where are you @Glo. now?

 

[Hitman928]

???? the guys just says this:


He basically confirms NVIDIA is launching new GPU at 7nm this year .. it's Q2 ` Q3 probably considering the chatter around it ..

Where are you @Glo. now?

Not that I care much about the rumor mill, but the Q4 or later came as a response to a direct question.

 

[railven]

My god there is so much hostility in this thread. Aren't half the posters already convinced NV can't respond and thus aren't a threat? Why are these rumors riling some of you up so much.

Though I laugh at 20GBs of VRAM...but hell, I'd take it!

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it wonder if NV is that cocky where they think Ray Tracing will be a huge deciding factor they gonna do another "shift". More space on die for RT, suddenly in raster workload a $500-600 RTX 3070 is matching a RTX 2080 ti and handily whooping it in RTX scenarios?

They only really have to reach RTX 2080 Ti Raster performance to really "move" the needle forward. Since they've had no real issue bringing the Ti performance of the 1080 to the non-Ti of the 2080, wouldn't be farfetched. And if Ray Tracing actually gets used they got that to gloat about.

EDIT #2:

To elaborate, the sting for GTX 1080 Ti users at RTX 2080 Performance was it was a side-grade, and the 2080 Ti price tag was a clear money grab. That pill has been swallowed.

Enter in 3000-series. RTX 3070/3080 buyers are now looking at $1200 RTX 2080 Ti performance in the $500-700 price range.

Sneaky sneaky.

 

[Ajay]

@railven Yeah, things are getting out of hand. I miss the 'old' days when companies were more transparent with launch dates and certain specific product specifics. Kept the chatter more focused.

 

[lobz]

My god there is so much hostility in this thread. Aren't half the posters already convinced NV can't respond and thus aren't a threat? Why are these rumors riling some of you up so much.

Though I laugh at 20GBs of VRAM...but hell, I'd take it!

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it wonder if NV is that cocky where they think Ray Tracing will be a huge deciding factor they gonna do another "shift". More space on die for RT, suddenly in raster workload a $500-600 RTX 3070 is matching a RTX 2080 ti and handily whooping it in RTX scenarios?

They only really have to reach RTX 2080 Ti Raster performance to really "move" the needle forward. Since they've had no real issue bringing the Ti performance of the 1080 to the non-Ti of the 2080, wouldn't be farfetched. And if Ray Tracing actually gets used they got that to gloat about.

EDIT #2:

To elaborate, the sting for GTX 1080 Ti users at RTX 2080 Performance was it was a side-grade, and the 2080 Ti price tag was a clear money grab. That pill has been swallowed.

Enter in 3000-series. RTX 3070/3080 buyers are now looking at $1200 RTX 2080 Ti performance in the $500-700 price range.

Sneaky sneaky.

That clickhunter dude at WCCFTech still says multiple times in the article that Ampere will be 50% faster AND use 50% less power =D

 

[Ajay]

That clickhunter dude at WCCFTech still says multiple times in the article that Ampere will be 50% faster AND use 50% less power =D

Geez, what a moron.

 

[jpiniero]

Q4 would be fine, as long as it's released before the consoles. They would have to release most of the lineup at the same time though, and not play the typical games they usually do.

That clickhunter dude at WCCFTech still says multiple times in the article that Ampere will be 50% faster AND use 50% less power =D

12 -> 7+ is a rather large jump quality and density wise.

 

[lobz]

Q4 would be fine, as long as it's released before the consoles. They would have to release most of the lineup at the same time though, and not play the typical games they usually do.



12 -> 7+ is a rather large jump quality and density wise.

Man, not you please... We saw exactly how big it is. Either of those statements can be true, or better. Not both at the same time, however.

 

[maddie]

Man, not you please... We saw exactly how big it is. Either of those statements can be true, or better. Not both at the same time, however.

C'mon, you're spoiling my dreams. I want 2080 performance with no PCIe connector. 3 times as efficient.

 

[IntelUser2000]

C'mon, you're spoiling my dreams. I want 2080 performance with no PCIe connector. 3 times as efficient.

Seems like we'll see big gains after years of stagnation in both the CPU side and the GPU side.

 

[lobz]

Oh no, I dared to vote down Muhammed's not-so-well-thought-through bragging, and the revenge was swift and thorough. There's basically no thread on the forum that he didn't visit to vote my answers down
I don't need a better confirmation than this
On topic: @IntelUser2000 I still think that anyone who says that Ampere will have 50% better perf and 50% less power consumption, is plainly and simply dreaming.
Edit: IF it's even Ampere. For example, Pascal was Volta for just about everyone up until right before launch day.

 

[jpiniero]

Videocardz says a new nVidia GPU coming out in Q2. Probably 2080 Ti Super, although anything is possible.

 

[happy medium]

ill stick to my March announcement .and June/ July hard launch. (if AMD releases big Navi)
If you guys think AMD will release their big Navi in a few months and Nvidia will sit and wait to release their new cards, I suggest you just buy some swamp land in florida.
Gaming cards are not taped out? that the worst prediction in this thread.
The rumors are a flying around like crazy, we should see some credible leaks in February and announcements in March. Same as it has been the past 12 years.

 

[happy medium]

Videocardz says a new nVidia GPU coming out in Q2. Probably 2080 Ti Super, although anything is possible.

No such card as a 2080ti super.

NVIDIA might not launch GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER after all - VideoCardz.com

According to the news posted by Anthony Garreffa from TweakTown, NVIDIA is not planning to launch GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER, or are they? NVIDIA RTX 2080 TI SUPER not now, maybe never Let’s go back to first RTX SUPER rumors that hit the web before the series was even confirmed. At that time it […]

videocardz.com

 

[uzzi38]

No such card as a 2080ti super.

NVIDIA might not launch GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER after all - VideoCardz.com

According to the news posted by Anthony Garreffa from TweakTown, NVIDIA is not planning to launch GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER, or are they? NVIDIA RTX 2080 TI SUPER not now, maybe never Let’s go back to first RTX SUPER rumors that hit the web before the series was even confirmed. At that time it […]

videocardz.com

As of July 2019.

Long before any retaping decision would have been made.

 

[Saylick]

Videocardz says a new nVidia GPU coming out in Q2. Probably 2080 Ti Super, although anything is possible.

I could buy this claim, but I ain't buying a 2080 Ti Super. It'd be such a money grab.

I am thinking Big Navi will finally bring something that matches the performance of the 2080 Ti. According to Computerbase.de's 4K benchmarks, the 2080 Ti is ~50% faster than the 5700 XT, so a Big Navi part that has 50% more performance within a 300W TDP power envelope should be entirely possible. TSMC's 7nm+ will bring a 10% perf/W benefit and I think RDNA2 will offer additional perf/W improvements purely from an architectural standpoint. I can see AMD producing a 60 CU part (+50% over 5700 XT's 40 CUs) while increasing sustained clocks 10% to ~2000 MHz, all within a 300W TDP and a die size under 400 mm2.

 

[uzzi38]

ill stick to my March announcement .and June/ July hard launch.
If you guys think AMD will release their big Navi in a few months and Nvidia will sit and wait to release their new cards, I suggest you just buy some swamp land in florida.
Gaming cards are not taped out? that the worst prediction in this thread.
The rumors are a flying around like crazy, we should see some credible leaks in February and announcements in March. Same as it has been the past 12 years.

There are things that are predictions, and things that are not.

Anything I've said about when we'll probably see the GPUs? Prediction. Anything on performance? Prediction.
Anything on current tapeouts? Not a prediction.

So far the entire basis of your argument is quite literally 'Nvidia can't possibly have made a mistake'.

Also, normal cadence for Nvidia is 2 years, which means Ampere would be H2 2020, so even you're being incredibly optimistic with your timelines. Providing you're referring to gaming cards that is. The server stuff is still on track after all.

 

[happy medium]

There are things that are predictions, and things that are not.

Anything I've said about when we'll probably see the GPUs? Prediction. Anything on performance? Prediction.
Anything on current tapeouts? Not a prediction.

So far the entire basis of your argument is quite literally 'Nvidia can't possibly have made a mistake'.

Also, normal cadence for Nvidia is 2 years, which means Ampere would be H2 2020, so even you're being incredibly optimistic with your timelines. Providing you're referring to gaming cards that is. The server stuff is still on track after all.

Actually I was not responding to you, unless you have a second screen name?

If AMD releases big Navi there will be a 3080 to compete against it, or should I say massacre it.

 

[happy medium]

Here is one of the comments in the videocardz article.
I think he hit the nail on the head. NO its not me.

Quote:
"Will be the same like always.
AMD announce big Navi @ Computex
Will compete with 2080/2080 TI
Release Q3-Q4 2020
Nvidia will announce a new GPU around GamesCom
30-50% faster / less Watt usage compare to previous generation
Release will be around Big Navi
Big Navi will be in the mid range lineup of the new Nvidia generation (RTX 3070 wiith luck, probably 3060)
Nvidia can choose the price tag for High end again
It has been like that since always
- HD 7970
- R9 290X
- Fury X
-Vega 64
Or just about a decade"

 

[Glo.]

???? the guys just says this:


He basically confirms NVIDIA is launching new GPU at 7nm this year .. it's Q2 ` Q3 probably considering the chatter around it ..

Where are you @Glo. now?

The GPU he is talking about is GA100.

There is no other GPU from Nvidia this year. Period.