Amsoil says "we're better" with their tests..

BUTCH1

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Poking around and found this, linkwhere Amsoil comes up with tests that make it appear it's synthetic outpaces everything else out there, I don't use it but found it interesting, thoughts?
 

Fenixgoon

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one of my old coworkers used amsoil since they were the only ones to publish data about their product. from his years of engineering, his line is "show me the data".
 

Tsavo

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one of my old coworkers used amsoil since they were the only ones to publish data about their product. from his years of engineering, his line is "show me the data".

Data not verfied by any organization worth a toot.

If Amsoil is so good, what's with the pyramid scheme sales model?
 

jlee

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Data not verfied by any organization worth a toot.

If Amsoil is so good, what's with the pyramid scheme sales model?

Encouraging independent resellers? You can pay 15 bucks a year and buy at wholesale yourself.
 

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Besides questionable sales tactics the data is not independently verified as Fenixgoon pointed out. Synthetic oil performs better than standard motor oil because the molecular chain has been re-engineered to have certain characteristics such as improved cold pour point, and perhaps anti-oxidation qualities.
 

nerp

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Amsoil is good, but it and Royal Purple's reputation for being magic oil that lets you go 10,000 miles between oil changes is suspicious to me. I'm confident using Pennzoil full synthetic and sticking with 3,000 to 5,000 mile oil changes depending on conditions. I never saw the point of using Amsoil or Royal Purple.
 

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Amsoil is good, but it and Royal Purple's reputation for being magic oil that lets you go 10,000 miles between oil changes is suspicious to me. I'm confident using Pennzoil full synthetic and sticking with 3,000 to 5,000 mile oil changes depending on conditions. I never saw the point of using Amsoil or Royal Purple.

why use good oil for a 3000 mile change, that's such a waste. Just stick with dino oil unless the car calls for something different.
 
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BUTCH1

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why use good oil for a 3000 mile change, that's such a waste. Just stick with dino oil unless the car calls for something different.

Yea, 3K is considered a very short interval in these days of tighter engine tolerances and FI. A lot of people still swear by it because "it never let me down" or "that's what Dad taught me" but just does not apply with today's automotive and lubrication technology.
 

Yuriman

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why use good oil for a 3000 mile change, that's such a waste. Just stick with dino oil unless the car calls for something different.

Pretty much this. I use Mobile 1 and change every 10k miles and feel pretty confident in this, as there are guys over at bobistheoilguy who test their oil frequently and go 20-30,000 miles between changes.
 

jlee

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Amsoil is good, but it and Royal Purple's reputation for being magic oil that lets you go 10,000 miles between oil changes is suspicious to me. I'm confident using Pennzoil full synthetic and sticking with 3,000 to 5,000 mile oil changes depending on conditions. I never saw the point of using Amsoil or Royal Purple.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3164238

Changing at 3000 miles is generally wasting oil. The only way to tell for sure is with a UOA.
 
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Yea, 3K is considered a very short interval in these days of tighter engine tolerances and FI. A lot of people still swear by it because "it never let me down" or "that's what Dad taught me" but just does not apply with today's automotive and lubrication technology.

i can brake better than abs, fix my own car as it constantly breaks down, and achieve double-digit fuel economy on a good day, just like a hybrid. everyone knows its better to be thrown clear of a crash and the best color is primer gray.
 

BUTCH1

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i can brake better than abs, fix my own car as it constantly breaks down, and achieve double-digit fuel economy on a good day, just like a hybrid. everyone knows its better to be thrown clear of a crash and the best color is primer gray.

Hm, not sure if serious but I was taught to work on my own cars but then again in the '70's so was everyone else.
 

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Yea, 3K is considered a very short interval in these days of tighter engine tolerances and FI. A lot of people still swear by it because "it never let me down" or "that's what Dad taught me" but just does not apply with today's automotive and lubrication technology.

3K is not a short interval for severe duty conditions, such as many starts in subzero temperatures and short trips.
 

Fenixgoon

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Besides questionable sales tactics the data is not independently verified as Fenixgoon pointed out. Synthetic oil performs better than standard motor oil because the molecular chain has been re-engineered to have certain characteristics such as improved cold pour point, and perhaps anti-oxidation qualities.

i didn't point it out, but thanks

do any other oil suppliers post data? just because amsoil does and perhaps no one else does, doesn't automatically invalidate their testing (but obviously it should be viewed with some degree of skepticism). and worst case scenario, you could run tests of your own over the course of a few thousand miles
 

BUTCH1

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3K is not a short interval for severe duty conditions, such as many starts in subzero temperatures and short trips.

Yea, I'd probably err on the side of caution under those circumstances, oil is relatively cheap, engine re-build's are not.
 
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Tsavo

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I have 500K+ miles on all my vehicles since I started driving. I only ever followed manufacturer's recommendations for oil type and change intervals.

I haven't had a single worn or nearly worn or even more than lightly worn engine in all those miles. I put 328k on on car. Everything was shot BUT the engine, which still had excellent compression when I sold it.

Regular Pennzoil in regular engines. Synthetic Pennzoil in hard duty engines, and Rotella in diesels. Zero problems.

The only people that I knew who used Amsoil were back-country rednecks who always drove around on under-inflated tires and other forms of mechanical neglect.

But der ohl was gud huh.
 

Ramses

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I have 500K+ miles on all my vehicles since I started driving. I only ever followed manufacturer's recommendations for oil type and change intervals.

I haven't had a single worn or nearly worn or even more than lightly worn engine in all those miles. I put 328k on on car. Everything was shot BUT the engine, which still had excellent compression when I sold it.

Regular Pennzoil in regular engines. Synthetic Pennzoil in hard duty engines, and Rotella in diesels. Zero problems.

The only people that I knew who used Amsoil were back-country rednecks who always drove around on under-inflated tires and other forms of mechanical neglect.

But der ohl was gud huh.

pretty much, yeah. Least on newer stuff.
Oil is better than it used to be, so are engines. Rest of the car will fall down around it or you'll be sick of it before something fails related to oil most likely. Much more of an issue with old stuff but even they do better with modern oil with a few caveats.
 

WackyDan

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I use Amsoil in the bike. THe Ford get the semi-synth motorcraft blend for now and the old chevy gets what ever conventional is on sale.

I use Amsoil in the bike because it was somewhat of a challenge to find decent, affordabel synthetic for it that had the right ratings. I was using Mobil one 4t but they updated the rating which precluded it from being used with my wet clutch... Then came reports that some people were having issues with their clutches... so off to amsoil I went.... 20K miles later and all is fine.
 

pcgeek11

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Toyota's severe service interval is 5k.
http://www.toyota.com/owners/web/pages/faqs

Subaru's is 3750, IIRC. So, it'll depend on the manufacturer, but AFAIK a 3k recommendation is rare to find these days.

*The 2TR-FE (4Runner / Tacoma) and the 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85.

These two engines still require 5K oil changes even with synthetic. All other synthetic oiled engines go 10K on an oil change.
 

skyking

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The TDI's are 10K oil change intervals with the approved spec oil. That's what I will be doing. The trucks get dino oil and 5K. The cars get good 35 minute drives on almost every start, so no severe duty IMO.
 

nerp

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For many people time, not miles is really the way to go for intervals, especially if you live in a place with wild temperature swings.
 
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