An emotional Clinton vows to fight on ...

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Shit GW Bush spends the majority of his presidency on vacation, yet the people just trying to get his job are working day and night.

Bush is a crap president, but don't think he's sun tanning when he's "on vacation". He has constant communication with others and is always, as president, at work.

I tend to think the opposite, thats he's not doing much while on vacation or in the White House compared to normal presidents.

Hence, no day to day anti-Al Queda efforts like Clinton had. Hence, vapid assurances to new Orleans leaders the federal government was ready to respond before Katrina.

Remember the description of him on the board at Harkin? They said he did little at board meetings but tell a few jokes. His role is to promote certain policies of his backers, IMO.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: rchiu


huh....so every president candidate out there got some personality disorder? If they don't think they are the one to lead, what the heck do they run for? man, there will be people bashing Hillary for not showing human emotion, and there will be people bashing Hillary when she show human emotion. Either way, she cannot win. I think that's the main problem with her, she is just not as charismatic as Obama. And that's too bad too, i actually think she is a sharp person, with a great network of people that had made America great once, but I guess people just cannot see past his husband's BJ, the hate of Clinton name, and the fact that Hillary is a women. People get pumped up by inspirational speeches, great pop rally, but eventually we need to have a president who knows or knows people who can run the nation.

I assumed (and correctly) that someone would not properly read my post as people on this forum generally are slow to read and quick to post.

There is a big difference between believing you have the ability to run the country and believing that you are the only one who can run the country. You would have seen this had you read the post properly.

I also stated that i believe that this was just a publicity maneuver and not how she really thinks.. again if you had read the post properly you would have understood that.

Heh, did Hillary Clinton ever state out right she is the only one who can run the country? I believe not. I mean her husband run the country for 8 years with pretty decent result and I think she is plenty aware of that. You are the one who suggested that based on one of her millions of statement, and it is only your perception of the truth. Like every other candidate, she is simply presenting how she is a better choice than the other. And like any other candidate she would point out her competition's weakness and how that could lead to problems if they were elected. But when it comes to Hillary who does the same election speeches/maneuvering, she is labeled as evil, I wonder why.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
I am definitely not a republican or a democrat, but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. However, I find Obama to be very likable. I definitely don't agree with him on some issues, but I would be pleased if he won the nomination and the general election considering all the candidates to choose from.

I am still very much a cynic, but Obama looks to be a whole hell of a lot better than Bush so bring it on.

Pretty much the same. I don't agree with him on everything, but I really admire his optimistism. And my bullshit detector doesn't go haywire every time he opens his mouth. These days, I'd be happy to at least vote for a candidate that wasn't trying to sell my first born for a nickle to some lobby group.

And its not like the republicans are offering anything better...I mean, aside from RP the most I can say about their candidates is that McCain doesn't seem like a total douchebag. But after that GW felating incident I have no respect for him...and his policies sound like more of the same crap we've had for the last 8 years!

 

[PingSpike]

I haven't seen the clip btw...but I would believe she was actually crying. But even if she was faking, that alternative is not much better. I mean, on the one hand we have her scraping the bottom of the political barrel for a last ditch push, trying to use the "you made the girl cry!" that all our women use on regularly on their men on the whole country. On the other, you have some one that...frankly is suppose to be tougher then that if they want to be president, falling apart fairly early in the campaign for president. Is she going to have a temper tantrum to solve our international problems?

Its like G.W. Bush with the "I coldly manipulated intelligence to drag the whole country into a war" or "I'm a huge dumbass and got us into a war because I didn't do fact checking" No matter which one you belief...they're both fucking horrible! The Clinton thing is of course a lot less of an issue...nobody died when clinton cried.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Perknose
Bush hating is extremely trendy. I hate trends. That's where all the brain dead congregate.

So where exactly is it that you guys "congregate"?

No, that's not trendy, it's common sense.

 

[jandrews]

wow, well this definately shows the difference between a female and male president, last thing we need is someone crying like a baby over a few % point loss, son of a bitch.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: jandrews
wow, well this definately shows the difference between a female and male president, last thing we need is someone crying like a baby over a few % point loss, son of a bitch.

Yeah, who would really care if years of work towards a goal and a probable life long dream were quickly being flushed down the toilet? It's like when people cry when their kid dies. They can make another one, duh!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
i don't know why it is, but every time i see hillary working the crowds i picture martha stewart smiling and nodding in approval in the immediate background with gloria steinem next to her making small circles with a tight-fisted hand down at her side just itching to sucker punch HRC at the first opportunity.

Gloria Steinem actually wrote an endorsement of Hillary in todays' NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...opinion/08steinem.html

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: loki8481
Gloria Steinem actually wrote an endorsement of Hillary in todays' NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...opinion/08steinem.html

And I quote...

"Both will need a coalition of outsiders to win a general election."

Now let's be realistic. Which one of them is going to be able to garner that "coalition of outsiders" to their side? She's actually making the case against Hillary, perhaps unaware of it.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Perknose
Bush hating is extremely trendy. I hate trends. That's where all the brain dead congregate.

So where exactly is it that you guys "congregate"?

We don't just hate Bush. We also love the Constitution. And people who love the Constitution congregate in AMERICA. I can't believe you apologists even have the balls to talk about "Bush haters" anymore.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama is for universal health care, just like Clinton.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features

His plan is a copy of Hillary's plan, yet she gets flack for HillaryCare, and the same people who are bashing her are supporting the same plan from Obama.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/...hcareplan/summary.aspx

Because health care is not the only issue. Just because you're a single-issue voter doesn't mean that the rest of us are.

Hillary will NEVER be President. Someday, likely within our lifetimes, a woman will be President. But her name will not be Hillary Rodham Clinton.

 

[Pabster]

Health Care is most definitely not the only issue. It's not even on my Top 3. Single-issue voters disgust me. (And I'm on the record as opposing UHC in any flavor.)

If we all entrench and refuse to cooperate in areas where common ground can be found, you end up with Washington, DC, circa 2007.

It is clear the electorate is clamoring for change. Real change. And Obama is the only candidate thus far who can authentically portray that.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Finality
Shes breaking down now before the election process has even started? Nice strong leader there.......

she didn't "break down", her eyes moistened and glistened as she talked about how much was at stake and how important the future of her country was to her, she didn't lose focus, she even rattled off a few of her talking points about Obama's deficiencies

objections to her expression of emotion seem grounded in sexism. Criticise her for being "cold" and "calculating", then when she displays some emotion she is seen as weak. it's bizarre to see grown adults embrace this sexist double standard

Except for an ignorant few, I don't believe that this has anything to do with sexism. Just look at what happened to Howard Dean 4 years ago after his "eeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" episode. Was that sexism as well?

No, it was Dean getting raked over the coals for a soundbite that was exaggerated by the media.

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Finality
Shes breaking down now before the election process has even started? Nice strong leader there.......

she didn't "break down", her eyes moistened and glistened as she talked about how much was at stake and how important the future of her country was to her, she didn't lose focus, she even rattled off a few of her talking points about Obama's deficiencies

objections to her expression of emotion seem grounded in sexism. Criticise her for being "cold" and "calculating", then when she displays some emotion she is seen as weak. it's bizarre to see grown adults embrace this sexist double standard

Ughh please it has nothing to do with sexism. The job of President is hard and very intense your expected to work 18 hours a day for 4-8 years straight. Any presidential candidate who cant take 4 months on the campaign trail certainly cant take 4 years running a country.

FYI a lot of people hate the President.

 

[senseamp]

Republicans, go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that you will beat Hillary in the general election. With economy heading into a recession, she will win handily, but if denial will help you get through it, by all means go ahead.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans, go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that you will beat Hillary in the general election. With economy heading into a recession, she will win handily, but if denial will help you get through it, by all means go ahead.

Perhaps she CAN win... but, many people, on both sides of the aisle, believe that she is the worst thing that could ever happen to the USA.

The Bush-Clinton dynasties must end, or we will never see real change in our Federal government.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Finality
Shes breaking down now before the election process has even started? Nice strong leader there.......

she didn't "break down", her eyes moistened and glistened as she talked about how much was at stake and how important the future of her country was to her, she didn't lose focus, she even rattled off a few of her talking points about Obama's deficiencies

objections to her expression of emotion seem grounded in sexism. Criticise her for being "cold" and "calculating", then when she displays some emotion she is seen as weak. it's bizarre to see grown adults embrace this sexist double standard

Ughh please it has nothing to do with sexism. The job of President is hard and very intense your expected to work 18 hours a day for 4-8 years straight. Any presidential candidate who cant take 4 months on the campaign trail certainly cant take 4 years running a country.

FYI a lot of people hate the President.

What the hell do you mean "can't take"?

People can shed a tear, then move on and still be just as effective as ever before :roll:. For heaven's sake, everyone has emotions, expressing them doesn't signify chronic space madness or rabies, for crying out loud (pun intended).

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans, go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that you will beat Hillary in the general election. With economy heading into a recession, she will win handily, but if denial will help you get through it, by all means go ahead.

Perhaps she CAN win... but, many people, on both sides of the aisle, believe that she is the worst thing that could ever happen to the USA.

The Bush-Clinton dynasties must end, or we will never see real change in our Federal government.

I was in upstate NY when she ran for Senator first, and it was the same old tripe.
She managed to win them over by simply going and listening to their concerns as evidenced by her margin in the 2nd election. Some people will continue hating her no matter what, but those people have a name in my book: losers.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans, go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that you will beat Hillary in the general election. With economy heading into a recession, she will win handily, but if denial will help you get through it, by all means go ahead.

Perhaps she CAN win... but, many people, on both sides of the aisle, believe that she is the worst thing that could ever happen to the USA.

The Bush-Clinton dynasties must end, or we will never see real change in our Federal government.

What really creeps me out is the idea that we'll have at least 24 years of big brother type Presidents if Hillary wins. Neither of the Clintons, and neither of the Bushes seem to have any respect for personal privacy or civil liberties, and honestly I cringe thinking about what could happen with such people in charge for so long.

 

[senseamp]

You can lump Bush and Clinton all you want, on issues they are very much different. The Bushes make messes that we need the Clintons to come in to clean up.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
You can lump Bush and Clinton all you want, on issues they are very much different. The Bushes make messes that we need the Clintons to come in to clean up.

So I take it you'll be supporting Jeb Bush in 2012 or 2016?

Hillary Clinton would be one gigantic dose of the same 'ole sh1t. So, if she does somehow win, we'll know who to blame (you) when everything still smells the same after eight more years.

damn you.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
You can lump Bush and Clinton all you want, on issues they are very much different. The Bushes make messes that we need the Clintons to come in to clean up.

So I take it you'll be supporting Jeb Bush in 2012 or 2016?

No, Chelsea may be too young to clean up his mess in 2020

Hillary Clinton would be one gigantic dose of the same 'ole sh1t. So, if she does somehow win, we'll know who to blame (you) when everything still smells the same after eight more years.
damn you.

Yes, Hillary is going to be a gigantic does of same ole Clinton "sh!t" as you call it, not to be lumped together with Bush's sh!t. One man's waste is another man's treasure There is a huge difference between Clintons who know how to run this country, and Bush's who can maybe run things into the ground.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
There is a huge difference between Clintons who know how to run this country, and Bush's who can maybe run things into the ground.

That's exactly where you're mistaken.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
There is a huge difference between Clintons who know how to run this country, and Bush's who can maybe run things into the ground.

That's exactly where you're mistaken.

That's exactly what is called an opinion.