An Honest Man

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: amoeba
so dderidex, how much would it take for you to kill a man?

Murders different than finders keeper losers weepers. Say you found a twenty outside 7-11. You go back inside and give to clerk to put in lost-in-found? Take to PD? Or keep? What makes this different?

850,000 is very different than 20 dollars. the amount matters. and yes, while you aren't killing anyone, 850,000 might very well cost somebody's life.

they are going to ask you where you will draw the line. you might as well think of your response now.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Something similar like this happend in Texas just a few weeks ago. A drug dealer hid money, he burried it on a school campus. Some student found it, and all the other students just start taking the money. The school started noticing big bills floating around the school and they went to investigate. The drug dealer threatened all of the students saying he was going to kill them all if the money weren't returned. I don't think a drug dealer is going to kill 500+ students.

Of all the places to stash money... he picks an area populated by hundreds of greedy kids. He deserved to lose that money.

I'm sure DudeMan's on his side though...

[DudeMan] OMG! They totally just ruined that poor drug dealer's life, he was probably saving that for his daughter's college education! You're scum! OMG why don't you just go kill some puppies? I bet you like to kill puppies don't you? I make nonsensical unrelated assumptions about people to make it look like I have a point in a discussion. I also smell bad. [/]

why would i take the side of a drug dealer? nice try, but your attempt at pinning me in a corner failed miserably. they shouldnt have stolen the money, but he should have been smart enough to know most people will not walk away from that. or, he could have put it in a bank somewhere.

What corner? You were in a box to begin with :laugh: I was only poking fun at your technique of arguing someone's opinion or assuming things about them that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation, and also taking things out of their context and into the extremes.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: amoeba
so dderidex, how much would it take for you to kill a man?

Murders different than finders keeper losers weepers. Say you found a twenty outside 7-11. You go back inside and give to clerk to put in lost-in-found? Take to PD? Or keep? What makes this different?

850,000 is very different than 20 dollars. the amount matters. and yes, while you aren't killing anyone, 850,000 might very well cost somebody's life.

they are going to ask you where you will draw the line. you might as well think of your response now.

I would certainly return the 20 dollars as you did too but there is a difference in amount.

These guys seem to think that there isn't.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
bet that cops ass is in a sling right now...i'm not gonna lie...i would have taken the cash, left the checks and bounced...no pun intended, heh

I'd like to think I would have returned it, but comming back to reality... x00,000 is a lot of money.

I probably would have, though. 850k would scare me... I'd probably turn it in just to get rid of it, lol.

It would also depend on if I could tell who it belonged to. It seems that if you can identify the owner, you're much more likely to feel as if you're stealing from someone. Since there was checks and such in it, it probably wouldn't be hard to figure out.

If it was just a few hundred or thousand dollars in an unmarked envelope.. Sorry, it's mine.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: amoeba
so dderidex, how much would it take for you to kill a man?

Murders different than finders keeper losers weepers. Say you found a twenty outside 7-11. You go back inside and give to clerk to put in lost-in-found? Take to PD? Or keep? What makes this different?

850,000 is very different than 20 dollars. the amount matters. and yes, while you aren't killing anyone, 850,000 might very well cost somebody's life.

Nope the only difference is you know they will come looking for it..also you spending and storing it poses a risk.. quite simply it's a risk/reward equation and in your math you lean twards returning..honestly and morals could be the factor if you're mother thersa or someone with similar deep commitment. I'd say 1/100 people are like this. 50/100 would return due to poor risk/reward. 49/100 would keep and most would get busted due to stupidity.

 

[cosine17]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
bet that cops ass is in a sling right now...i'm not gonna lie...i would have taken the cash, left the checks and bounced...no pun intended, heh

I would have done the same thing.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Something similar like this happend in Texas just a few weeks ago. A drug dealer hid money, he burried it on a school campus. Some student found it, and all the other students just start taking the money. The school started noticing big bills floating around the school and they went to investigate. The drug dealer threatened all of the students saying he was going to kill them all if the money weren't returned. I don't think a drug dealer is going to kill 500+ students.

Of all the places to stash money... he picks an area populated by hundreds of greedy kids. He deserved to lose that money.

I'm sure DudeMan's on his side though...

[DudeMan] OMG! They totally just ruined that poor drug dealer's life, he was probably saving that for his daughter's college education! You're scum! OMG why don't you just go kill some puppies? I bet you like to kill puppies don't you? I make nonsensical unrelated assumptions about people to make it look like I have a point in a discussion. I also smell bad. [/]

why would i take the side of a drug dealer? nice try, but your attempt at pinning me in a corner failed miserably. they shouldnt have stolen the money, but he should have been smart enough to know most people will not walk away from that. or, he could have put it in a bank somewhere.

What corner? You were in a box to begin with :laugh: I was only poking fun at your technique of arguing someone's opinion or assuming things about them that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation, and also taking things out of their context and into the extremes.

well, much better effort this time, but still :thumbsdown:. i am in no box, and clearly you tried to shove me inbetween a rock and a hard place. how did any of this not have to do with the topic? im curious.

nice job avoiding the rest of my post. you seem like the type of person who only posts in threads the push peoples buttons, but offer nothing intelligent to the conversation.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: amoeba

I would certainly return the 20 dollars as you did too but there is a difference in amount.

These guys seem to think that there isn't.

:thumbsup:

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Something similar like this happend in Texas just a few weeks ago. A drug dealer hid money, he burried it on a school campus. Some student found it, and all the other students just start taking the money. The school started noticing big bills floating around the school and they went to investigate. The drug dealer threatened all of the students saying he was going to kill them all if the money weren't returned. I don't think a drug dealer is going to kill 500+ students.

Of all the places to stash money... he picks an area populated by hundreds of greedy kids. He deserved to lose that money.

I'm sure DudeMan's on his side though...

[DudeMan] OMG! They totally just ruined that poor drug dealer's life, he was probably saving that for his daughter's college education! You're scum! OMG why don't you just go kill some puppies? I bet you like to kill puppies don't you? I make nonsensical unrelated assumptions about people to make it look like I have a point in a discussion. I also smell bad. [/]

why would i take the side of a drug dealer? nice try, but your attempt at pinning me in a corner failed miserably. they shouldnt have stolen the money, but he should have been smart enough to know most people will not walk away from that. or, he could have put it in a bank somewhere.

What corner? You were in a box to begin with :laugh: I was only poking fun at your technique of arguing someone's opinion or assuming things about them that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation, and also taking things out of their context and into the extremes.

well, much better effort this time, but still :thumbsdown:. i am in no box, and clearly you tried to shove me inbetween a rock and a hard place. how did any of this not have to do with the topic? im curious.

nice job avoiding the rest of my post. you seem like the type of person who only posts in threads the push peoples buttons, but offer nothing intelligent to the conversation.

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

 

[amoeba]

you just don't get it do you Zebo. I love how you think the reason I'm returning it is because of the risk reward ratio.

Did you not read my post?

20 dollars isn't going to set somebody back too badly, isn't going to ruin their life. 850K probably will. what if that 850k was ransom money? thats my point.

Its not about the risk.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Its not about the risk.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

this is a retarded question. If somebody asks me, would you walk up to a random person and kill him? I don't need to have experienced this situation before I can confidently answer no.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: amoeba
you just don't get it do you Zebo. I love how you think the reason I'm returning it is because of the risk reward ratio.

Did you not read my post?

20 dollars isn't going to set somebody back too badly, isn't going to ruin their life. 850K probably will. what if that 850k was ransom money? thats my point.

Its not about the risk.

How do you know? maybe that $20 was a migrant workers trip back to mex on bus, his last denero? and the 850K was one days reciepts form the home depot... the mexican would be in more a pickle..

 

[Ranger X]

Bet it all on black.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. It's about 30 or so posts up what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

I'm simply trying to show that being so evangelistic about something such as this with little to no experience with it is a quick way to look like a moron in any argument.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: amoeba
you just don't get it do you Zebo. I love how you think the reason I'm returning it is because of the risk reward ratio.

Did you not read my post?

20 dollars isn't going to set somebody back too badly, isn't going to ruin their life. 850K probably will. what if that 850k was ransom money? thats my point.

Its not about the risk.

How do you know? maybe that $20 was a migrant workers trip back to mex on bus, his last denero? and the 850K was one days reciepts form the home depot... the mexican would be in more a pickle..

you just proved his point. different amounts, different situations. its not about the risk of something happening to you if you steal it. its about what the other person may have needed it for. i know he said 20 bucks probably wont make or break someone, and clearly there is an exception to every rule, but i think overall he is correct.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: amoeba
you just don't get it do you Zebo. I love how you think the reason I'm returning it is because of the risk reward ratio.

Did you not read my post?

20 dollars isn't going to set somebody back too badly, isn't going to ruin their life. 850K probably will. what if that 850k was ransom money? thats my point.

Its not about the risk.

How do you know? maybe that $20 was a migrant workers trip back to mex? and the 850K was one days reciepts form the home depot... the mexican would be in more a pickle..

now you are just arguing semantics. a migrant worker's trip back to mex? way to show your bigotry. I'm sure his life isn't ruined and I doubt his entire life savings is 20 dollars.

I love your argument to justify your own greed. you know what? you are right. there's no difference between me picking up say a penny and me picking up 850k. you are right. that penny might also be somebody's lifeline.

In fact, if you are a meat eater, then you are morally justified to kill somebody. Nope. can't criticize murderers. you eat meat.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. It's about 15 or so posts up what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

I'm simply trying to show that being so evangelistic about something such as this with little to no experience with it is a quick way to look like a moron in any argument.

sorry, i missed the question.

i agree with you in most cases. this, however, is a very different kind of situation.

a lot of things require a quick decision, ex. getting held at gun point. if you find money on the ground, however, it is a simple test of your morals and nothing else. gauging your reaction before the actual event in this type of situation is not far-fetched. i know exactly how i would handle this and it has never happened to me.

i see your point about looking like a moron in most cases, but not this one, and i hope my explanation helped you see my side of it.


edit: actually, i did find $80.00 once and i returned it to the office at school. the owner found the money and i expected nothing in return. so i do have some experience here. granted, it wasnt 850k, but i see no reason to treat it any differently.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. It's about 30 or so posts up what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

I'm simply trying to show that being so evangelistic about something such as this with little to no experience with it is a quick way to look like a moron in any argument.

you have no experience either. You are just arguing the other side.

 

[Zebo]

you are right. there's no difference between me picking up say a penny and me picking up 850k. you are right. that penny might also be somebody's lifeline.

I know.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Probably returned it... after taking 50k for himself

 

[amoeba]

threads like these convince me that rehabilitation, education, and reintegration in to society for our prison systems don't work.

 

[kyparrish]

i would have quietly secured my financial future

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. It's about 15 or so posts up what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

I'm simply trying to show that being so evangelistic about something such as this with little to no experience with it is a quick way to look like a moron in any argument.

sorry, i missed the question.

i agree with you in most cases. this, however, is a very different kind of situation.

a lot of things require a quick decision, ex. getting held at gun point. if you find money on the ground, however, it is a simple test of your morals and nothing else. gauging your reaction before the actual event in this type of situation is not far-fetched. i know exactly how i would handle this and it has never happened to me.

i see your point about looking like a moron in most cases, but not this one, and i hope my explanation helped you see my side of it.

Well then I have to admire you for your honesty and selflessness. However, try not to criticize people with opposing situations the way you've been doing here. They will never agree with you or understand you.

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Mmm-hmm. And you never answered my question about whether or not you've ever found a bag with $850,000 inside laying in the middle of the road. So have you?

i dont even see where you asked me that question. It's about 30 or so posts up what kind of stupid question is that though? no, of course i havent. im sure that happens to such a small fraction of people. you dont have to experience a situation that tests your morals before you know how you will react. dont even try to play your cards like that.

I'm simply trying to show that being so evangelistic about something such as this with little to no experience with it is a quick way to look like a moron in any argument.

you have no experience either. You are just arguing the other side.

Please show me anywhere where I may have directly argued that taking the money was the right thing to do? Until then, read closer, and work on your comprehension skills.