An interesting opinion piece on Hilary

tvarad

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Though I'm not a great Hilary fan, I personally agree with the author of this piece. Though she may never catch up with Obama, nearly splitting the vote down the middle gives her a more solid ground to take it all the way to the convention than Ted Kennedy's in 1980 (I still remember the rancor of that primary campaign).

At the end of the day, I think she is in this position not for lack of ideas but for fatal strategic flaws in the way she ran the campaign (which have already been enunciated ad-nauseum). And it's quite unbecoming the way she's being drummed off the stage by those who are more interested in dressing up the candidate for the fall campaign than listening to what the voters are saying. Denying her that space she has earned would be a travesty.

From philly.com

HILLARY SITUATION REMINDS ME OF 1980

By DANIEL A. CIRUCCI
INEVER THOUGHT I'd say this - but I've come to admire Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I've been inspired by the true grit that she's displayed during this presidential campaign. Her determination and willingness to fight on against all odds should be a model for others to follow.

Of course, I'm tempted to preface all this by saying "regardless of the outcome," but the aura of inevitability that Mrs. Clinton once possessed has passed on to someone else.

It sort of reminds me of the woman who toiled away at her husband's business helping to make him a success. She knew he wasn't perfect. She knew that in a lot of ways she was smarter than he was. She knew he often became way too full of himself.

She even knew that he wasn't able to control his libido. But she toiled away nonetheless and watched her husband become a much-revered ambassador for the business, an icon.

And just when her moment seemed to have arrived, a fresh young upstart moved onto the block. Tall and handsome, he flashed a big, sparkling smile and charmed everyone with his silver-tongued salesmanship.

She knew that he wasn't perfect and that he was inexperienced and that she was certainly more learned in the ways of the world. But it was too late. In short order, she had to take out a loan to keep the business afloat as customers dwindled and even her most loyal friends and associates abandoned her.

It's easy to be dazzled by a quick smile and a clever turn of the phrase. It happened to the Democratic Party in 1976 and 1980, when the party nominated the inexperienced and ill- equipped Jimmy Carter and then stuck with him hoping to continue the ruse of his failed presidency. I must admit, I fell for the sham once myself.

But in 1980, while still a Democrat, I supported Teddy Kennedy for the nomination. I stayed with Teddy through the convention. It wasn't easy.

In 1980, Kennedy came into the Democratic convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City with 1,225 delegates to President Carter's 1,981, with 122 delegates uncommitted.

Kennedy stood on principle and people admired him for the fighting the good fight.

If Kennedy could take it to the convention when he trailed by 756 delegates, why can't Hillary go to the convention trailing by far less? Would it be so awful?

Probably not. But the mainstream media and party elders (now including Kennedy) have other ideas. They want to stifle those who've been inspired by Hillary - those who believe she speaks for them.

Yet, there's still a way for the disaffected to be heard.

When my candidate lost at the convention in 1980, I decided I'd had enough. I was tired of being taken for granted.

I needed more than a quick smile, a catchphrase and a hopelessly naïve approach to the world. I wanted a mature, three-dimensional, steadfast leader.

So I left the Democrats and voted for the other party's candidate.

It was an easy choice, and one I've never regretted. *

Daniel A. Cirucci is a local public relations consultant. He blogs at dancirucci.blogspot.com.
 

dardin211

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Am I missing something here?

Your topic states that her staying in a lost race is good for the Democractic party but I don't read anything here to back that statement up. The article compares her to Ted in 1980 who was not even half as close as her and took it to the convention, but ends with him saying he left the party after Ted and never came back, seeming to suggest that people will leave the party after Hillary officially loses this nomination as not wanting to support Obama. So again, how is this good for the party?
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: dardin211
Am I missing something here?

Your topic states that this is good for the Democractic party but I don't read anything here to back that statement up.


What about this?
So I left the Democrats and voted for the other party's candidate.

It was an easy choice, and one I've never regretted. *
 

Slick5150

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Uh, yeah. It said that he got pissy about his candidate not winning the nomination and he voted for Reagan instead. How would this parallel today be good for the Democrats?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: tvarad
I needed more than a quick smile, a catchphrase and a hopelessly naïve approach to the world. I wanted a mature, three-dimensional, steadfast leader.
So I left the Democrats and voted for the other party's candidate.
It was an easy choice, and one I've never regretted. *
Daniel A. Cirucci is a local public relations consultant. He blogs at dancirucci.blogspot.com.

...and so I voted for someone who steadfastly and maturely enacted policies I was 100% in disagreement with.

I don't get it.
 

dardin211

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: dardin211
Am I missing something here?

Your topic states that this is good for the Democractic party but I don't read anything here to back that statement up.


What about this?
So I left the Democrats and voted for the other party's candidate.

It was an easy choice, and one I've never regretted. *

That suggests it's good for the other party, not the Democrats.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: dardin211
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: dardin211
Am I missing something here?

Your topic states that this is good for the Democractic party but I don't read anything here to back that statement up.


What about this?
So I left the Democrats and voted for the other party's candidate.

It was an easy choice, and one I've never regretted. *

That suggests its good for the other party, not the Democrats.

Yeah, but it made him feel good in a I'm-taking-my-ball-and-going-home sort of way.

That's gotta count for something, right?
 

naddicott

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Carter and Kennedy had some pretty substantial policy differences, although I don't know how someone aligned with Kennedy's positions could stomach the predictable disaster (from a liberal perspective) that turned out to be the Reagan administration. When you boil it down, Obama's and Clinton's policy positions are 95%+ in agreement, and I consider any former Hillary supporter who doesn't vote for Obama in November to be particularly foolish in that they are thereby allowing McCain to further stack the SCotUS with conservative/corporate judges, which will likely hurt democratic interests for much longer than 4-8 years.
 

OrByte

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I'm sorry but I can't lay the blame on the media for this.

Up until Indiana and NC the MEDIA has been promoting and helping prolong this fight between HRC and BHO. HRC was the underdog and she had media support.

Now all of the sudden it is the media that is the one "prematurely" calling it for BHO??

no I don't buy that. The media is the group cashing in on her fight. And they see a winner and are doing what they do best...looking out for themselves in an effort to be the first to call it the way everyone BUT HRC can see it...its been BHO nomination for a long time now.

HRC should have done the math a LONG TIME AGO and spared the party this prolonged battle. WV was a JOKE to the whole process by cutting off the legs of the white blue collar worker come november. John Edwards made a smart and calculated maneuver to bolster support for BHO at a time when HRCs sinking ship is trying to take the blue collar worker down with her. I don't feel sympathy for her or her strategy team AT ALL.

don't blame the media for cashing in on her strategy. They prolonged the fight as long as they could and now, like vultures, the MSM is jumping on the carcas all in an effort to gain viewership.

This is a bad opinion piece. Hillary is no saint.

"So I left the Democrats and voted for the other party's candidate."

This is a not too subtle attack on BHO (silver-tongued salesmanship) and the Democratic party as a whole. Again. a bad opinion piece. Basically according to this BLOGGER any white blue collared worker that voted for HRC should vote for McCain.

yeah right....

 

nageov3t

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people inside Hillary's campaign have already said that she's not going to take it to the convention.

I'd look for her to drop out in the first week of June, after the primaries are over and after the rules committee rules on MI/FL.
 

ProfJohn

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I think Hillary should ask for a prime time speaking spot in exchange for her dropping out.

I also think she stays in it till the last primary so in 2012 she can talk about how she fought to the bitter end of the people who voted for her.
If she is setting herself up for 2012 getting out now wouldn't make much sense.
 

piasabird

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So what happens if no one has enough candidates to be nominated? Do they vote over and over until someone gets the nomination and do we get to see individual delegates stab each other in the back? I am guessing they wil start with a roll call vote and then some people have to switch sides for a candidate to be nominated.
 

nageov3t

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what happens if no one has enough delegates to be nominated? Do they vote over and over until someone gets the nomination and do we get to see individual delegates stab each other in the back?

pretty much. deals are made to get delegates to switch from one side to the other.

but like I said, people inside Hillary's campaign have already stated that they're not going to take it to the convention floor.
 

Starbuck1975

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She knew that he wasn't perfect and that he was inexperienced and that she was certainly more learned in the ways of the world. But it was too late. In short order, she had to take out a loan to keep the business afloat as customers dwindled and even her most loyal friends and associates abandoned her.
Saavy and experienced leaders are not easily displaced by sweet talking young upstarts. Playing along with the author's analogy, established brands and businesses face challenges from new competition all the time...those with a solid business strategy weather the storm, others lose their market position.

Hillary enjoyed brand name recognition and a huge barrier to entry preventing competition from challenging the inevitability of her nomination...yet Obama managed to do just that...that speaks volumes to Hillary's strategic posturing and leadership capabilities.

I do not admire her willingness to fight against all odds...that is not a sign of determination and grit...in her case, it is a sign of ego.
 

Fern

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Pardon me, but the author sounds like a complete idiot.

WTH does some made up story about a subservient woman in some business have to do with anything about HRC? Crap, what a piece hackneyed feminist drivel.

Oh yeah, Ted Kennedy is the icon of "principle". I guess this boob never heard of Kennedy's little *bridge* problem leading to the death of a woman bearing his illigitmate child. Nor the fact that he decided to swim away abandoning her in his car under water. Nope, that couldn't possibly hae anything to do with Kennedy's electability.

And then his candidate loses the Dem nomination election by a large margin and he feels he "was tired of being taken for granted" when his candidate didn't the nomination. WTF?

Fern
 
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