An Islamic Nuclear Attack on America is INEVITABLE

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desura

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"Not an attack on random people like Muslims did in Brussels ..."

Were the terrorist attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan done by Christians in the White House?

The equivocation brigade is back in business it looks like. Well, I hope you feel noble defending the indefensible.
 

raildogg

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The equivocation brigade is back in business it looks like. Well, I hope you feel noble defending the indefensible.
You are OK with group of people getting murdered by are upset when another group gets supposedly murdered.

That shows that you value certain human lives more than others.
 

JSt0rm

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We SHOULD spend those billions, I think that is my point. Why are we spending so much on our arsenal and only a fraction of that in preventing those materials getting in the hands of whack jobs? Read the article. They basically flat out state that we are going to get hit. The hit that we take will be on a scale exponentially higher than 911. Over 600 documented incidents of nuclear arms smuggling.... in what world does this not blow up in our face?

its will just be a bunch of dead liberals in nyc or la. nothing of value lost.
 

senseamp

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Sounds like a bunch of bullshit scare tactics by the government bureaucracy to justify the inflated security budget and continuation of police state, and to rally the public to dear leaders by giving it some foreigners to hate. Radioactive cesium my ass.
 

desura

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You are OK with group of people getting murdered by are upset when another group gets supposedly murdered.

That shows that you value certain human lives more than others.

Of course. The same occurs in all people across the world. Muslims only care about Muslim lives. Chinese care about Chinese lives. Etc.
 

raildogg

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Of course. The same occurs in all people across the world. Muslims only care about Muslim lives. Chinese care about Chinese lives. Etc.
And you only care when white people get killed?

Yeah man. Your tribalism is alive and well. It actually never went away, sadly.
 

raildogg

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Sounds like a bunch of bullshit scare tactics by the government bureaucracy to justify the inflated security budget and continuation of police state, and to rally the public to dear leaders by giving it some foreigners to hate. Radioactive cesium my ass.
Of course. And the gullible, blind sheep will gladly accept whatever the corporate owned media will tell them.

The media's been pushing the fear and divide narrative for the past 8 years now. With Trump and his neocons in power, it will likely stay the same or get worse. These people want a totally docile population that will go along with the media/government story. Of course, it seems to be working because thinking for oneself isn't taught in schools.

"Keep spreading the lie enough times and it will become the truth" - Joseph Goebbels
 

desura

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And you only care when white people get killed?

Yeah man. Your tribalism is alive and well. It actually never went away, sadly.

No.

I'm simply stating how life is. We care about our own communities. We don't care about places far far away. There is so much human suffering and politics it is impossible.

How many Muslims helped out when...natural disasters in China kill scores of people? Give examples of Muslim universalism that shames Western universalism.
 

desura

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Of course. And the gullible, blind sheep will gladly accept whatever the corporate owned media will tell them.

"Keep spreading the lie enough times and it will become the truth" - Joseph Goebbels

Such as Islam has nothing to do with terrorism? That is definitely one line of the corporate media.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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Such as Islam has nothing to do with terrorism? That is definitely one line of the corporate media.

I'm curious: How come whenever an attack happens, the media very quickly puts up images of guys with Muslim names.

Where is the investigation? Why the jump to conclusions? Shouldn't there be some momentary pause to look into the matter before putting up the guys name? Usually, this info is released very quickly after the supposed attacks.

Also, how does this media get this information so fast on these guys? And why does it spread like wildfire among all the major media outlets? Are they all working together?
 

desura

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I'm curious: How come whenever an attack happens, the media very quickly puts up images of guys with Muslim names.

Where is the investigation? Why the jump to conclusions? Shouldn't there be some momentary pause to look into the matter before putting up the guys name? Usually, this info is released very quickly after the supposed attacks.

Also, how does this media get this information so fast on these guys? And why does it spread like wildfire among all the major media outlets? Are they all working together?

Quite the opposite. Whenever an attack happens there's usually a blackout. They will jump to conclusions with others, but not Muslims. Effectively, there is a higher burden of proof before the media broadcastst who does the attack.
 

raildogg

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Quite the opposite. Whenever an attack happens there's usually a blackout. They will jump to conclusions with others, but not Muslims. Effectively, there is a higher burden of proof before the media broadcastst who does the attack.
LMAO @ blackout

What proof is there?

For example, this last supposed attack in Berlin, the recent refugee, who by the way just happened to be an expert truck driver, conveniently left his ID behind. LOL

Then, he crossed TWO borders of TWO countries to only be caught in Italy by the heroic police officers. I thought he left his ID behind? How could he cross the borders of two countries like that?

That seems more like something out of a movie than real life.

But yes, the media did paint a scary picture of the guy -

recently emigrated Muslim refugee truckjacker murderer of Christmas shoppers.
 

desura

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LMAO @ blackout

What proof is there?

For example, this last supposed attack in Berlin, the recent refugee, who by the way just happened to be an expert truck driver, conveniently left his ID behind. LOL

Then, he crossed TWO borders of TWO countries to only be caught in Italy by the heroic police officers. I thought he left his ID behind? How could he cross the borders of two countries like that?

That seems more like something out of a movie than real life.

But yes, the media did paint a scary picture of the guy -

recently emigrated Muslim refugee truckjacker murderer of Christmas shoppers.

Not even worth it. Some people will justify anything in pursuit of their ideology.
 

raildogg

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How come the media always makes sure to tell the viewing public that the supposed attackers yell "Allahu Akbar" after EVERY single attack?

I mean, the supposed "graphic" but grainy video footage isn't enough that they need to always point this out?

Man, these Muslim terrorists are highly skilled, aren't they?

Not only can they expertly drive trucks through tight spaces but have the time and attention span to yell ALLAHU AKBAR while doing it.
 

FIVR

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LOL - you guys. Guess the media and the fear mongerers have truly brainwashed you.

Your government loves people like you.

This isn't a media conspiracy against al-Qaeda. They actually do want the US out of the Middle East and they want to effect that change by force. The fact that you think it's some conspiracy against Zawahiri n' Co. by me and the US Gov is just evidence that you're a nut. Do you believe in 911 truther stuff too?


If you think they are right, and that the US deserves to be driven out of the ME by al-Qaeda... then why don't you join them? Book a flight to Aden and go kick it with al-Shabbab or maybe Egypt with Ansar al-Sharia... or maybe Syria with Jahbat Fatah al-Sham. Al Qaeda has many affiliates that all would love help from an american like you.
 

GagHalfrunt

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The ability of a terrorist organisation to make and deliver an actual nuclear bomb is just a non starter. Look how difficult nation states find it!

1) The issue with making a bomb is manufacturing enough material for a core. Once you have that a couple of halfway decent physics students can get it go off. That's the easy part. Nation states find it difficult to enrich or manufacture the uranium or plutonium, none would have the slightest problem making a bomb out of it if they got enough.

2) There's a buttload of unaccounted-for plutonium and uranium out there. Get 10 pounds of fissile material out the back door of a poorly guarded bunker in East Buttfuckistan guarded by a soldier who gets pain in goats kidneys and you're in business.

3) Russia made a lot of man-portable suitcase nukes. The terrorist organization only needs to buy/steal one to turn NYC or DC into a smoking crater.
 

desura

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This isn't a media conspiracy against al-Qaeda. They actually do want the US out of the Middle East and they want to effect that change by force. The fact that you think it's some conspiracy against Zawahiri n' Co. by me and the US Gov is just evidence that you're a nut. Do you believe in 911 truther stuff too?


If you think they are right, and that the US deserves to be driven out of the ME by al-Qaeda... then why don't you join them? Book a flight to Aden and go kick it with al-Shabbab or maybe Egypt with Ansar al-Sharia... or maybe Syria with Jahbat Fatah al-Sham. Al Qaeda has many affiliates that all would love help from an american like you.

I don't quite see it like that. The USA is more involved than its national interest dictates. The reason is Israel. Without Israel, the USA has much better relations with all of the Muslim world. Israel is an interesting idea, a high functioning society, etc, and I wish them the best of luck. But they should not be given so much aid from the USA. Only explanation is domestic politics.

THe other interest is making sure a central unifying power does not rise up. If Iraq could have threatened Saudi oil fields that is a problem. But generally, it doesn't matter to us how Muslims conduct their internal affairs, and our helping prop up repressive regimes just makes them angry at us.

The problem with americans like HRC is that they preach multiculturalism at home and universalism abroad when it should be the opposite.
 

raildogg

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This isn't a media conspiracy against al-Qaeda. They actually do want the US out of the Middle East and they want to effect that change by force. The fact that you think it's some conspiracy against Zawahiri n' Co. by me and the US Gov is just evidence that you're a nut. Do you believe in 911 truther stuff too?


If you think they are right, and that the US deserves to be driven out of the ME by al-Qaeda... then why don't you join them? Book a flight to Aden and go kick it with al-Shabbab or maybe Egypt with Ansar al-Sharia... or maybe Syria with Jahbat Fatah al-Sham. Al Qaeda has many affiliates that all would love help from an american like you.
How do you know for sure this isn't a conspiracy against anyone? How can one be so sure other than trusting the mainstream media? Do you have that much faith in your corporate controlled media?

Who wants the US out of the MidEast? The media does? Yeah, sure they do. If they did, maybe more Americans would realize the murderous actions of their regime. But no, that's not what we see.

What we see is the BS campaign by the Iraqi army in the BS battle of Mosul that they supposedly lost in 2014 against 1,500 ISIS fighters. And, according to the major media, the Iraqis ran like cowards despite overwhelming numbers against the mythical forces known as ISIS. That's the media narrative for you. That 1,500 ISIS supermen captured a city of more than 1 million from 30,000 Iraqis.

By the way, why are you mentioning Zawahiri? Isn't he in Afghanistan? Afghanistan is not the Middle East.

The man, the supervillain, the myth himself you should be mentioning is no other than Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He is, according to the media, the supervillain behind the evil geniuses known as ISIL. A fighting force that has America, Russia and many other countries supposedly on the run with their little ole' pickup trucks. LOL.

It's not about who is right. It's about what is actually going on and seeing it for what it is.
 

FIVR

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1) The issue with making a bomb is manufacturing enough material for a core. Once you have that a couple of halfway decent physics students can get it go off. That's the easy part. Nation states find it difficult to enrich or manufacture the uranium or plutonium, none would have the slightest problem making a bomb out of it if they got enough.
This is not accurate, at least not for an implosion-type device (which is what would be used in a suitcase bomb). If it was as easy as you say it would've been done a hundred times over by now by various physics students all around the world. Fact is, you don't know wtf you're talking about. But you keep talking....

2) There's a buttload of unaccounted-for plutonium and uranium out there. Get 10 pounds of fissile material out the back door of a poorly guarded bunker in East Buttfuckistan guarded by a soldier who gets pain in goats kidneys and you're in business.
Reference needed? The only stocks I've heard of going missing were a few kgs of HEU from stocks in kasakhstan... and most of that was later recovered.

3) Russia made a lot of man-portable suitcase nukes. The terrorist organization only needs to buy/steal one to turn NYC or DC into a smoking crater.

Now you're just making stuff up. Lets see a picture of one of these so called "suitcase nukes" Russia has made "a lot" of. You are comically uninformed about this topic... lol.
 

greatnoob

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Quick! The Viet Cong are going to spread Communism!1!
Quick! Iraq has WMDs and they're not afraid to use them!1!
Quick! The uneducated, evil cave dwellers with Toyotas are going to kill us with nukes they stole from a heavily protected site!1!11!11
 

Meghan54

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Quick! The uneducated, evil cave dwellers with Toyotas are going to kill us with nukes they stole from a heavily protected site!1!11!11

You mean stolen from somewhere like this: (South Africa)

South Africa refuses to let go of its nuclear explosives
https://businesstech.co.za/news/gen...-refuses-to-let-go-of-its-nuclear-explosives/


And it being heavily guarded:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/19/AR2007121901857.html

A Nuclear Site Is Breached

Shortly after midnight on Nov. 8, four armed men broke into the Pelindaba nuclear facility 18 miles west of Pretoria, a site where hundreds of kilograms of weapons-grade uranium are stored. According to the South African Nuclear Energy Corp., the state-owned entity that runs the Pelindaba facility, these four "technically sophisticated criminals" deactivated several layers of security, including a 10,000-volt electrical fence, suggesting insider knowledge of the system. Though their images were captured on closed-circuit television, they were not detected by security officers because nobody was monitoring the cameras at the time.

So, undetected, the four men spent 45 minutes inside one of South Africa's most heavily guarded "national key points" -- defined by the government as "any place or area that is so important that its loss, damage, disruption or immobilization may prejudice the Republic."

Eventually, the attackers broke into the emergency control center in the middle of the facility, stole a computer (which was ultimately left behind) and breached an electronically sealed control room. After a brief struggle, they shot Anton Gerber, an off-duty emergency services officer. Gerber later explained that he was hanging around because he believed (reasonably, in retrospect) that his fiancée -- a site supervisor -- was not safe at work. Although badly injured, Gerber triggered the alarm, setting off sirens and lights and alerting police stationed a few miles away.

Nevertheless, the four escaped, leaving the facility the same way they broke in.

Amazingly, at the same time those four men entered Pelindaba from its eastern perimeter, a separate group of intruders failed in an attempt to break in from the west. The timing suggests a coordinated attack against a facility that contains an estimated 25 bombs' worth of weapons-grade nuclear material. On Nov. 16, local police arrested three suspects, ranging in age from 17 to 28, in connection with this incident.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/201...alarms-washington-and-strains-relations-years



A break-in at a South African nuclear complex alarms Washington and strains relations years later

A break-in at Pelindaba by two armed groups more than seven years ago convinced senior U.S. officials and some independent security experts that the vault holding the fuel lacks adequate counter-terror protections. As a result, Washington has been waging a quiet, but unsuccessful, diplomatic campaign to convince South Africa to relinquish the vault’s HEU.
 

greatnoob

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OP's article:
"First we must revitalize U.S.-Russia cooperation on securing and eliminating nuclear materials. It is more than likely that all of the material seized in the Moldova stings came from Russia."


Better start a war on shitty workplace practices and bomb the utter fuck out of South Africa.
 
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