An Israeli point of view...

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

Israelites were the descendants of the children of Jacob, later known as Israel. His twelve male children were Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Gad, Naphtali, Asher, Joseph, and Benjamin.

 

[arsbanned]

But when did they go into the clothing business?

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: lozina
BTW, Tinker,

did they teach you about this in your All-Palestinians-Are-Terorrists 101 indoctrination class ?

Ok, not all Palestians are terrorists. My mistake. But unfortunetly a lot of them are.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Who's land is it then?

Looks to me like it was Palestine

Silly conjur, didn't you get the part where Palestinians are not really Palestinians? I think they're evil dopplegangers from Mars- err I forgot the story already damnit...

It was called Palestine because ROMANS invaded Israel and named it that. Not arabs. It is not the arabs land. They call themselves Palestians because they came from Arab countries and immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there.

Maybe I should repeat what you said then you might get it.

immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there

That is whos land was stolen the people living there.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: MAW1082
Israel is by far the most aggressive nation in the Middle East. It's no wonder it doesn't have warm relations with the coutries it invadades.

They're "aggressive" for a reason, retard. They're protecting themselves from terrorists.

Well, when you illegally occupy land in another country, you sorta open yourself up to terrorist attacks.


Sound familiar to another situation in the Middle East?

no. 'illegal' you act like the world isn't a jungle.

How interesting. Just as I've said a hundred times. If you switched switched all the babies born over there, Palestinian for Israeli and visa versa, if 14 years old Israelis would be strapping on bombs to blow up their parents.

Killing the innocent civilians of those who oppress you isn't a genetic thing, but no matter who you are, or what noble goal you wish *in this case driving all Jews into the ocean*, intentional targeting of civilians is unacceptable.

The Palenstians always caused trouble. In 1947 The United Nations Special Commission on Palestine (UNSCOP) recommended that Palestine be divided into an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Jews accepted the UN decision, but the Arabs rejected it. During the period before Israeli independence was declared, two armies of Arab irregular volunteers, let by Haj Amin El Husseini in the Jerusalem area, and by Fawzi El Kaukji in the Galilee, placed their fighters in Arab towns and conducted various aggressive operations against the Jewish towns and villages. n Jerusalem, Arab riots broke out on November 30 and December 1 1947. Palestinian irregulars cut off the supply of food, water and fuel to Jerusalem during a long siege that began in late 1947

when a group of people expressed it's intent to kill every last one of your men women and children.. it's not 'over reacting' to gehto, gate, and move as you need those people to protect your own.

. That doesn't make them not the original people who lived there. We could call black white and it would still be black.

If anything we all need to agree that 'original' is a stupid way to figure out who should own the land. Sometimes war is the only solution, the Jews won the war, and now they aren?t going to give up any more land than they view as tacitly necessary to survival because every nation near then has the stated goal of driving every last one of them into the grave.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Who's land is it then?

Looks to me like it was Palestine

Silly conjur, didn't you get the part where Palestinians are not really Palestinians? I think they're evil dopplegangers from Mars- err I forgot the story already damnit...

It was called Palestine because ROMANS invaded Israel and named it that. Not arabs. It is not the arabs land. They call themselves Palestians because they came from Arab countries and immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there.

Maybe I should repeat what you said then you might get it.

immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there

That is whos land was stolen the people living there.

Maybe I should repeat myself so you understand: The Jews were there first.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

Israelite \Is"ra*el*ite\, n. [L. Isra["e]lites, Gr. ?, fr. ?, ?,
Israel, Heb. Yisr[=a]?l, i. e., champion of God; s[=a]r[=a]h
to fight + ?l God.]
A descendant of Israel, or Jacob; a Hebrew; a Jew.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Who's land is it then?

Looks to me like it was Palestine

Silly conjur, didn't you get the part where Palestinians are not really Palestinians? I think they're evil dopplegangers from Mars- err I forgot the story already damnit...

It was called Palestine because ROMANS invaded Israel and named it that. Not arabs. It is not the arabs land. They call themselves Palestians because they came from Arab countries and immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there.

Maybe I should repeat what you said then you might get it.

immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there

That is whos land was stolen the people living there.

Maybe I should repeat myself so you understand: The Jews were there first.

But they left and the people that lived their before the jews stole their land are still alive the jews that lived their have been dead for a few hundred years.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

Israelite \Is"ra*el*ite\, n. [L. Isra["e]lites, Gr. ?, fr. ?, ?,
Israel, Heb. Yisr[=a]?l, i. e., champion of God; s[=a]r[=a]h
to fight + ?l God.]
A descendant of Israel, or Jacob; a Hebrew; a Jew.

I guess I oppose your view because I don't think religious or ethnicity based requirements belong in today's society. I don't believe in 17th century beliefs.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Personally, I think we in the US should stop trying to bring about peace, and allow you to properly deal with the terrorists in your midst in any way you feel is necessary, including the murder of every last Palestinian who refuses to leave all of the land that you might want... it would only be self-defense.

This, of course, isn't what our government can say, but when it comes to supporting Israel in everything it does, their are very few in America who wouldn't applauded you for putting an end to this destructive conflict...

God I hope you never hold any position of power. Even 'Manager of shoe sales' would be too dangerous IMHO.

You get the:roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Personally, I think we in the US should stop trying to bring about peace, and allow you to properly deal with the terrorists in your midst in any way you feel is necessary, including the murder of every last Palestinian who refuses to leave all of the land that you might want... it would only be self-defense.

This, of course, isn't what our government can say, but when it comes to supporting Israel in everything it does, their are very few in America who wouldn't applauded you for putting an end to this destructive conflict...

God I hope you never hold any position of power. Even 'Manager of shoe sales' would be too dangerous IMHO.

You get the:roll:

Insufficient power, I's say to light even one brain.

I especially liked his catchy use of the terms "genome specific targeted preemptive strikes" instead of plain old every day "genocide". Gives you an indication of just how far he's capable of sticking his head up his ass.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Who's land is it then?

Looks to me like it was Palestine

Silly conjur, didn't you get the part where Palestinians are not really Palestinians? I think they're evil dopplegangers from Mars- err I forgot the story already damnit...

It was called Palestine because ROMANS invaded Israel and named it that. Not arabs. It is not the arabs land. They call themselves Palestians because they came from Arab countries and immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there.

Maybe I should repeat what you said then you might get it.

immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there

That is whos land was stolen the people living there.

Maybe I should repeat myself so you understand: The Jews were there first.

But they left and the people that lived their before the jews stole their land are still alive the jews that lived their have been dead for a few hundred years.

All the Jews did not leave. Get your facts straight

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

Israelite \Is"ra*el*ite\, n. [L. Isra["e]lites, Gr. ?, fr. ?, ?,
Israel, Heb. Yisr[=a]?l, i. e., champion of God; s[=a]r[=a]h
to fight + ?l God.]
A descendant of Israel, or Jacob; a Hebrew; a Jew.

I guess I oppose your view because I don't think religious or ethnicity based requirements belong in today's society. I don't believe in 17th century beliefs.

Well just because you dont believe it doesnt belong doesnt mean it doesnt in some countries. An Israeli is a Jew, plain and simple.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

Israelite \Is"ra*el*ite\, n. [L. Isra["e]lites, Gr. ?, fr. ?, ?,
Israel, Heb. Yisr[=a]?l, i. e., champion of God; s[=a]r[=a]h
to fight + ?l God.]
A descendant of Israel, or Jacob; a Hebrew; a Jew.

I guess I oppose your view because I don't think religious or ethnicity based requirements belong in today's society. I don't believe in 17th century beliefs.

Well just because you dont believe it doesnt belong doesnt mean it doesnt in some countries. An Israeli is a Jew, plain and simple.

that's barbaric.. living like it's the 17th century in the 21st century

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Who's land is it then?

Looks to me like it was Palestine

Silly conjur, didn't you get the part where Palestinians are not really Palestinians? I think they're evil dopplegangers from Mars- err I forgot the story already damnit...

It was called Palestine because ROMANS invaded Israel and named it that. Not arabs. It is not the arabs land. They call themselves Palestians because they came from Arab countries and immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there.

Maybe I should repeat what you said then you might get it.

immigrated to Palestine and therefore called themselves that because they lived there

That is whos land was stolen the people living there.

Maybe I should repeat myself so you understand: The Jews were there first.

But they left and the people that lived their before the jews stole their land are still alive the jews that lived their have been dead for a few hundred years.

All the Jews did not leave. Get your facts straight

Any time in history that Jews have left Israel is because they were forced to.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

Israelite \Is"ra*el*ite\, n. [L. Isra["e]lites, Gr. ?, fr. ?, ?,
Israel, Heb. Yisr[=a]?l, i. e., champion of God; s[=a]r[=a]h
to fight + ?l God.]
A descendant of Israel, or Jacob; a Hebrew; a Jew.

I guess I oppose your view because I don't think religious or ethnicity based requirements belong in today's society. I don't believe in 17th century beliefs.

Well just because you dont believe it doesnt belong doesnt mean it doesnt in some countries. An Israeli is a Jew, plain and simple.

that's barbaric.. living like it's the 17th century in the 21st century

In some countries thats the way it is. Just because the US has advanced beyond that point doesn't mean that every country has.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: lozina
From Tinker's history source:

After the Egyptian empire crumbled, Hebrew tradition states that 12 tribes of Jews from Egypt conquered the area about 1000 B.C.E. The

Thus, if we apply Tinkerhell logic, Israelis are not actually Israelis- they are EGYPTIANS

It says 12 tribes of Jews are from Egypt not ALL. Either way they were Jews, and that is what fully embodies an Israeli.

So you can only be a real Israeli if you're Jewish?

Israelite \Is"ra*el*ite\, n. [L. Isra["e]lites, Gr. ?, fr. ?, ?,
Israel, Heb. Yisr[=a]?l, i. e., champion of God; s[=a]r[=a]h
to fight + ?l God.]
A descendant of Israel, or Jacob; a Hebrew; a Jew.

I guess I oppose your view because I don't think religious or ethnicity based requirements belong in today's society. I don't believe in 17th century beliefs.

Well just because you dont believe it doesnt belong doesnt mean it doesnt in some countries. An Israeli is a Jew, plain and simple.

that's barbaric.. living like it's the 17th century in the 21st century

In some countries thats the way it is. Just because the US has advanced beyond that point doesn't mean that every country has.

Obviously not every country has. But barbaric is barbaric to me. Sucks that so much of the world is based on hate & discrimination.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Unfortunetly a lot of people in this world hate Jews. I don't know why. It is sad how this world is based on hate. A lot of this world in going to hell. All you see on TV is hate, hate and more hate. And unfortunetly religion is a large part of this. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that everyone has his or her own beliefs, and just get along. But thats just a fantasy.

 

[CanOWorms]

I think people should look to the US or Canada to see multiculturalism and a state not based on hate thrive. How can people say such crazy things when the most successful and powerful country in the world embraces these ideals and obviously benefits from it? And Canada is a great success, too. Many European countries & politicians have stated that multiculturalism & diversity is a failure. It is sad to see their views spreading.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Unfortunetly a lot of people in this world hate Jews. I don't know why. It is sad how this world is based on hate. A lot of this world in going to hell. All you see on TV is hate, hate and more hate. And unfortunetly religion is a large part of this. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that everyone has his or her own beliefs, and just get along. But thats just a fantasy.

There's an excess of hate dealt to every known religous group, culture or any other way of categorizing groups of people, and yes it is sad. The worst thing to do is let the hatred get to your head and lead you to do things like wage war, occupy countries, oppress people under military might, blow up a busload of innocent people or bomb a nightclub. Luckily there seems to be only a few extremists that subscribe to these measures, but unfortunately they control the Israel government and the Palestinian authority. Once people on both sides get the power to oust these warmongers and murderers, then there may be peace once again.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente


ISRAEL IS A JEWSIH STATE ? IT WAS BUILT FOR JEWS AND HAS TO MAINTAIN A JEWSIH MAJORITY.

Trente

Yeah the Germans had the same view about Germany and the rest of Europe in 30's-40's. A Europe for and by the so called white European Ayran Christian Race.

How dare you compare those two?! :disgust:

It is the same Germany that caused jews around the world to realize they need Israel.

ISRAEL = STATE FOR THE JEWS!

ISRAEL HAS TO MAINTAIN JEWISH OR ELSE ISRAEL CONCEPT = USELESS.

Get it?!

That's exactly why Israel will fail as a nation. You know if this was coming from someone in the U.S. or Europe who was preaching the same type of racial purity or religious purity they would be branded as racists or religious bigots.


P.S. You can subsitute Germany with Zimbabwe then.

What ever you say. but it is our economy that is growing, it is our army that is is the strongest in the area, it is our Air-Force that is one of the best in the wrold - BTW, IAF had an air-combat with USAF and Germany's Luftwaffe lately and won out both American and German pilots, and by a far margin! (I know for sure they CRUSHED the Luftwaffe).

This nation was near hell in 73' and got over that!

As long as Jews will live here it will continue to exist...

I am not aware that our Airforce does such trainings, but sure they crushed the german airforce - the german airforce has so little flight hrs that they are theoretically not allowed to conduct missions within NATO. Because their flight hrs are way below the required amount. Not to mention outdated airplanes and weapons. But what can u do with no money....

 

[The Green Bean]

never had the time to read the whole thread, but coming back to Trente's original post. Please do remember that Israel was part of an Arab state once, called Palestine. Poor Palestenians ...Indirectly, it is USA's fault to give Isreal so much respect for doing wrong! Give the Palestenians there land back, atlesat some off it. All Jews should withdraw from "modern" Palestine at once!

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: hatim
never had the time to read the whole thread, but coming back to Trente's original post. Please do remember that Israel was part of an Arab state once, called Palestine. Poor Palestenians ...Indirectly, it is USA's fault to give Isreal so much respect for doing wrong! Give the Palestenians there land back, atlesat some off it. All Jews should withdraw from "modern" Palestine at once!

So they should leave just because they're jewish?