An open call to TweakBoy: My SSD vs. Your Samsung F4

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VirtualLarry

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Huh? The official spec calls for 10years retention time iirc for 34nm flash, so where do you get that information?

Where did you hear that? I really doubt that. The only official information that I've found on data-retention times, is a spec from Patriot regarding their Torqx line of SSDs, and they claim 5-year data-retention, and a 10-year overall warranty.
 

Hyperlite

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Where did you hear that? I really doubt that. The only official information that I've found on data-retention times, is a spec from Patriot regarding their Torqx line of SSDs, and they claim 5-year data-retention, and a 10-year overall warranty.

nevertheless....
 

Lightflash

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Why do people assume that Intel SSDs will not die? Yes the data might say Intel SSDs are more stable, but that does not imply that every Intel SSD will not fail.

As for the F4 faster than SSD, I highly doubt it would be close unless there were some very different setups used (raid vs. single SSD).
 

Lonbjerg

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Why do people assume that Intel SSDs will not die? Yes the data might say Intel SSDs are more stable, but that does not imply that every Intel SSD will not fail.

As for the F4 faster than SSD, I highly doubt it would be close unless there were some very different setups used (raid vs. single SSD).

I went from RAID 0 (HDD) to a single SSD...night and day...night and day
 

woolfe9999

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In light of TweakBoy's epic thread about how an F4 is as fast as an SSD, I would like to formally invite him to compare benchmarks.

My OCZ Vertex 2 boots Windows 7 x64 in 10 seconds. Firefox loads up in about a second. Larger apps might take 2 or 3 seconds depending on how large they are. Shutdowns and reboots are almost instantaneous.

I would also be willing to compare my Hitachi 1000.C with his F4.

TIA

gl+gg+gb

If memory serves, he claimed it was faster than certain first generation SSD's, and not by every measure. I think one mentioned was the Vertex1. I fail to see how comparing the F4 to your Vertex 2 is relevant to his point. I don't agree with much of what he said in that thread, but it seems to me that this thread is grounded upon an implicit straw man. Then again, maybe he made more far reaching claims in other threads that I did not read.
 

Voo

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Where did you hear that? I really doubt that. The only official information that I've found on data-retention times, is a spec from Patriot regarding their Torqx line of SSDs, and they claim 5-year data-retention, and a 10-year overall warranty.
Anand mentioned that in one of his articles, although it'd be better to find the current IMFT or Samsung specs - but there my googlefu horribly fails.. don't the publish their specs?
 

VirtualLarry

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If memory serves, he claimed it was faster than certain first generation SSD's, and not by every measure. I think one mentioned was the Vertex1. I fail to see how comparing the F4 to your Vertex 2 is relevant to his point. I don't agree with much of what he said in that thread, but it seems to me that this thread is grounded upon an implicit straw man. Then again, maybe he made more far reaching claims in other threads that I did not read.

Even the mods think that OP is a known troll.
Someone helpfully bumped the following thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=31573561#post31573561
 

SickBeast

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Ah yes, VirtualLarry, the one other person on the internet who thinks SSDs are stupid and a waste of money. You asked for one reason in your thread and we gave you plenty. Now I bring benchmarks and TweakBoy is too afraid to even post in this thread.

Is that the best you can do? Dig up an old thread about a prick no one liked on here? Please. I'll compare benchmarks with you as well if you wish.
 

VirtualLarry

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Ah yes, VirtualLarry, the one other person on the internet who thinks SSDs are stupid and a waste of money. You asked for one reason in your thread and we gave you plenty. Now I bring benchmarks and TweakBoy is too afraid to even post in this thread.

Is that the best you can do? Dig up an old thread about a prick no one liked on here? Please. I'll compare benchmarks with you as well if you wish.

TB and I aren't the only ones. Here's another one:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31575763&postcount=7

Edit: Btw, I sold my unopened 64GB Kingston SSD last weekend.
 
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alaricljs

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TB and I aren't the only ones. Here's another one:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31575763&postcount=7

Edit: Btw, I sold my unopened 64GB Kingston SSD last weekend.

He stuck it in an HTPC and bought one of the most overpriced SF drives possible. Of course he's going to be disappointed. The boost to OS and app startup isn't going to be noticed when you're not multitasking and thrashing the crap out of your system. Not something an HTPC experiences. Either you figure out what is good about an SSD and determine whether it fits your usage profile or not.

An SSD with my usage profile is a tremendous upgrade over any spindle and any affordable RAID of spindles.
 

Lonbjerg

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TB and I aren't the only ones. Here's another one:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31575763&postcount=7

Edit: Btw, I sold my unopened 64GB Kingston SSD last weekend.

Listen here.
I have even tried RAID 0 with SAS HDD's (Asus P6T-Deluxe) im' telling you that my single Intel SDD run circles around my old RAID 0.

When 1 > 2 it's not rocket science...

We even started using SDD's in our servers (I work for an ISP)...because they perform better.
 

86waterpumper

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Haha since I was called out here I will reply Let the record show that I do not agree with tweakboy that a samsung f4 is as fast as a ssd. however, the op stating he wants to compare benchmarks is lame. Benchmarks are not indicative of real world usage in most cases, ESPECIALLY where sandforce drives are concerned. I did not talk trash on ssds UNTIL I bought it and used one, this is the difference in tweakboy and I.

alaricljs how is the drive I bought so grossly overpriced? It was 99 bucks for a 40gb and while there are drives cheaper, a quick search on newegg shows a 40gb vertex II costing 115 bucks I'm sure most think it is stupid to put a ssd in a htpc, but here was my logic. I do not run my htpc 24/7, I have a ton of junk plugged into the same outlet bigscreen tv, cable box dvr, ps3, etc etc. I turn this off manually so that it doesn't sit there and burn electricity, so I wanted a system that would boot fast. I am not completely and utterly hateful of the ssd purchase I made, I just do not think it is worth the huge premium. Does the drive boot windows 7 fast? Heck yes it certainly does, but it's not instant or 5 or 10 seconds like some claim theirs to be. In truth until they get the posting and bios screens faster there is not alot of point. It takes me 35 seconds or so from the time I hit the button to when windows is up and ready to go, this is not shabby performance but some on this forum and others WAY overhype what these things will do that's all. I realize alot of this function is in my motherboard, but launching apps and shutting down and plenty other things are not "instant" and going back and forth between both rigs I cannot tell alot of difference. If it makes sense and works for others then great.
 

GrumpyMan

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Darn, no Tweakboy in sight. Had my cup of coffee and some donuts ready for observing the call out battle.
 

alaricljs

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Well, I got my 60GB for $100 8 months ago... so I consider that price for a 40GB to be high especially today.

Instead of an SSD on the htpc I would have been willing to slowly fork that money over to the power company by leaving my HTPC in standby at a few watts/hour. This is actually what I do with my HTPC now and works well for me. If it wasn't getting turned on daily (sometimes many times a day) I might decide otherwise, but the value is there for me. My system is usable within 3 seconds every time.
 

AkumaX

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my 40gb x25-v that i got for $60 was the best investment EVER

also

my samsung 2tb f4 that i got for $60 was the best investment EVER
 

86waterpumper

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nstead of an SSD on the htpc I would have been willing to slowly fork that money over to the power company by leaving my HTPC in standby at a few watts/hour. This is actually what I do with my HTPC now and works well for me. If it wasn't getting turned on daily (sometimes many times a day) I might decide otherwise, but the value is there for me. My system is usable within 3 seconds every time.

You are right that would be just as cheap over a certain period of time. In standby mode only a couple watts are consumed and it is def. nice to have the system come back up in about 5 seconds from sleep mode. However, I am gone alot of weekends, and on trips etc and there are alot of other things there sapping power as well. Eventually I may move the ssd to another system and put the htpc on it's own outlet then I would do exactly what you describe. I do love the lack of heat, and the small size and the power consumption all of those are wins for the ssd. I think they are very well suited for laptops especially if for nothing else than shock protection. I don't consider the ssd money wasted I will just wait a couple more generations before I buy a second one that's all. From the tests coming out, the 3rd gen ssd are not light years ahead of the 2nd gen anyway
 

Edrick

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Most people who are negative about SSDs never actually owned one.

The rest are people who had a bad experience with one (yes, they have showns some growning pains over the years).

But there is just no denying that they are the future and they are a huge improvement over any spindle drive. Once the price comes down a bit more and reliability is proven over the long term, we will not be having these types of discussions any longer.

I still believe it is the single best upgrade you can go your a computer today.
 

mosco

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Which SSD did you guys (thescreensavers, mosco) have that died?

I have a Vertex 2 60GB, an Agility 60GB, and an 80gig intel x-25m. The agility died about 1.5 months ago after pretty light use (in a media center, no TV, just playback over the network). The machine would just hang during startup trying to detect the drive on the sata port.

I have probably had 20+ spindle drives over the years including 4 1TB drives right now, and a 320 gig external.
 
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