An Overclocking Benchmark Analysis of Nvidia's 780/780Ti

Termie

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I recently ran a number of benchmarks on the GTX 780 and 780 Ti using my 4770K@4.4, and thought I'd share with you all a few observations about how these two cards compare, stock and overclocked, with a GTX 670 included for reference.

First, consider the following:
GTX 670: 1344 Stream Processors, 112 Texture Units, 32 ROPs, 256-bit Bus, 1084MHz Core Boost/6000MHz Memory Clock at stock

GTX 780: 2304 Stream Processors, 192 Texture Units, 48 ROPs, 384-bit Bus, 1006MHz Core Boost/6000MHz Memory Clock at stock

GTX 780 Ti: 2880 Stream Processors, 240 Texture Units, 48 ROPs, 384-bit Bus, 1006MHz Core Boost/7000MHz Memory Clock at stock

In terms of shaders, the 780 Ti has over twice what the 670 offers, and both the 780 and 780 Ti have at least 50% higher memory bandwidth. In theory, they should both be 40-60% faster than a 670. The 780 Ti adds an additional 17% of memory bandwidth and 25% more shader power over the 780 Ti - it should be about 20% faster than a 780.

Here are the benchmarks, with the stock boost and maximum overclocked boost attained on my sample cards:









Look at the peak power use, along with the overclocked results of the 780 - it actually outperforms a stock 780 Ti in almost every game, despite lower power use. This is despite having less memory bandwidth and lower peak shader power (the 21% overclock core overclock that I attained does not on its own compensate for the 25% shader deficit, unless not all shaders can be fully-utilized).

My view is that only in the newest non-CPU bound games, such as BF4 Single-Player (and to a certain extent Crysis 3), does the 780 Ti perform up to its potential. These are also the only two games where it comes close to doubling the performance of the GTX 670. My feeling is that in many games, it's simply too "muscle bound," held back either by its memory back-end, the game design, or the CPU platform. I believe, however, is that it will begin to pull away from the 780 as newer games are released, just as the 680 has pulled away from the 670, which it was once nearly tied with in performance.

Thoughts, impressions, projections?

[UPDATE: Forgot to provide summaries and OC scaling]
1080p______Avg____OC Avg____Scaling
GTX 670____62.4____70.7________1.13
GTX780_____86.3____99.7_______1.16
GTX780 Ti___99.4____110.3______1.11

1440p______Avg_____OC Avg_____Scaling
GTX 670____40.2_____45.7_______1.14
GTX780_____59.0_____70.5_______1.20
GTX780 Ti___68.4 ____79.8_______1.17
 
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Black Octagon

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Great stuff, but please explain for my hard boiled mind:

When you talk of CPU bound 'games' and the CPU 'platform' holding the Ti back, what precisely do you mean? You seem to be referring to a little more than just your CPU bottlenecking the GPU, right?
 

Termie

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Great stuff, but please explain for my hard boiled mind:

When you talk of CPU bound 'games' and the CPU 'platform' holding the Ti back, what precisely do you mean? You seem to be referring to a little more than just your CPU bottlenecking the GPU, right?

Yes, CPU bottlenecking is part of it, but what I'm really referring to goes beyond that. I believe the 780 Ti is probably at the high end of what current game engines were designed to harness. Sure, you can go up to 4K and put more stress on the GPU, but most of these games were designed before 4K monitors could be purchased. So it's not just that the CPU isn't fast enough (and a 4770K@4.4 is fairly fast), it's that the games just can't use the power that the 780 Ti has on tap.

This could tie into the observations made by many reviewers that the Radeon R9 290X is far superior to the 780 Ti at 4K despite being slower at 1080p/1440p. Higher resolutions stress certain aspects of a GPU design, but not all of them, and apparently the 290X has a better balance for higher resolutions. My belief, however, is that the 780 Ti may have more overall power on tap for future gaming engines at lower resolutions.
 

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I was waiting for you to do this. I noticed you grabbed a GTX 780ti, so I was hoping you would So is it safe to say the GTX 780ti is 15% faster clock for clock vs. the GTX 780? Awesome job btw :thumbsup:

EDIT : Only factoring core clock, not memory clock.
 
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Termie

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I was waiting for you to do this. I noticed you grabbed a GTX 780ti, so I was hoping you would So is it safe to say the GTX 780ti is 15% faster clock for clock vs. the GTX 780? Awesome job btw :thumbsup:

EDIT : Only factoring core clock, not memory clock.

Happy to oblige!

Yes, the 780 Ti is 15.5% faster on average than the 780 at a 1006MHz in-game core clock. Of course, it has a 16.7% memory clock advantage, so overall it's probably more like 12% faster clock-for-clock.

And that goes directly to my analysis - that despite a 25% shader advantage, something is holding the 780 Ti back. My guess is that is just has too much shader power for GK110's overall design, or alternatively more shader power than games can tap into.
 

Elfear

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Thanks for taking the time to make the comparison Termie. I'm surprised how well the 670 does against GK110.
 

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This was perfect for me. I've been eyeballing picking up 1 or 2 of the GTX 780 Lightning cards next Friday and I currently have a GTX 670, so this gives me a really good idea of what sort of performance I'm going to see. Looks like a 780 over a 780 Ti is a good choice for price/perf, especially if I SLI. Looks like I'm definitely going to need to pick up a bigger PSU though, which will factor into my budget.
 

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Excellent comparison Termie!

What it boils down to (imo) is it would either pay to buy something of the 670 caliber since it's cheap (I believe) around $200ish, or the 780. The 780 TI has little to offer for the price increase. It's interesting to see how the core is scaling.
 

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Thanks Termie. Although I dont have an Nvida card at the moment, its nice to see comparisons for higher end products to solidify the Performance/Value point most of us already know.

+1
 

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Even with a 4670k at 4.7 I seem to be cpu bound in BF4 MP. 1080p, everything on ultra, 4x msaa, 130% res scaling and fps capped at 70. I'll get dips into the mid 60s and I never see full gpu utilization, just one or two cores shoot up to 75-80% usage.
 

Termie

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This was perfect for me. I've been eyeballing picking up 1 or 2 of the GTX 780 Lightning cards next Friday and I currently have a GTX 670, so this gives me a really good idea of what sort of performance I'm going to see. Looks like a 780 over a 780 Ti is a good choice for price/perf, especially if I SLI. Looks like I'm definitely going to need to pick up a bigger PSU though, which will factor into my budget.

Glad this helped! By the way, slight error in the Power Draw chart - the second GTX 670 is obviously supposed to say 670 OC, not 670 Ref again. So that means that an OC'd 780 uses about 110W more than an OC'd 670 (ironically, I hit the same clocks on both). That's a very big difference, especially for SLI.

Excellent comparison Termie!

What it boils down to (imo) is it would either pay to buy something of the 670 caliber since it's cheap (I believe) around $200ish, or the 780. The 780 TI has little to offer for the price increase. It's interesting to see how the core is scaling.

Yes, I think the 760 (today's equivalent of the 670) is really the best pick for most gamers, at least for 1080p gaming. And the GTX 780 stands alone as the high-end card to buy. I don't think the 290, 290X, or 780 Ti are that compelling at their current prices.
 
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Glad this helped! By the way, slight error in the Power Draw chart - the second GTX 670 is obviously supposed to say 670 OC, not 670 Ref again. So that means that an OC'd 780 uses about 110W more than an OC'd 670 (ironically, I hit the same clocks on both). That's a very big difference, especially for SLI.



Yes, I think the 760 (today's equivalent of the 670) is really the best pick for most gamers, at least for 1080p gaming. And the GTX 780 stand alone as the high-end card to buy. I don't think the 290, 290X, or 780 Ti are that compelling at their current prices.

I picked up a GTX 780 ACX for a song, close to what the R9 290 MSRP is supposed to be as I have lost hope at getting one of those anytime soon.

By chance, have you run any BF4 MP sessions (if you have BF4) with the output to CSV command?

I am going to do some compares when I have time, between the 7950 and 780 in BF4 on Win 8.1.
 

Termie

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I picked up a GTX 780 ACX for a song, close to what the R9 290 MSRP is supposed to be as I have lost hope at getting one of those anytime soon.

By chance, have you run any BF4 MP sessions (if you have BF4) with the output to CSV command?

I am going to do some compares when I have time, between the 7950 and 780 in BF4 on Win 8.1.

I don't have back-to-back data on BF4 multi-player for these tests, as I've found the single-player game is a good measure of video card effectiveness. Multi-player brings with it a ton of variability, and generally only adds to the CPU workload, not the GPU workload.

I use it all the time in my CPU testing, but it's a huge investment of time, and I don't think it adds that much for GPU testing.
 

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I assume the 780's you were testing were A1's ?
How much better are the B1 steppings?
The only card I have seen with a B1 is the Galaxy GHZ card.
at $519 its a little high
 

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Great job as usual Termie. I recently picked up a GTX780 Classified to replace 660s in SLI in rig 2 below. Very strong video card.
 

Termie

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I assume the 780's you were testing were A1's ?
How much better are the B1 steppings?
The only card I have seen with a B1 is the Galaxy GHZ card.
at $519 its a little high

The 780 was an A1. I haven't tested a B1 780, but I bet they are few and far between.

I believe you meant Gigabyte GHz card, by the way.

Great job as usual Termie. I recently picked up a GTX780 Classified to replace 660s in SLI in rig 2 below. Very strong video card.

Nice card! Have you tried overclocking it? I'm curious whether it can go higher than other cards. It has an amazing out-of-the-box overclock, either way.
 

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I guess you confirmed that I made the right decision. I found a guy getting rid of his 780 HydroCopper to get a Ti model, so he sold me the HydroCopper cheap. Now I just need to find another for a matched set.
 
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