Anand has Lynnfield Preview Up

[rapidisimo]

Originally posted by: Jabbernyx
I'd rather get an i7 setup now for not very much more and step up from my P965/E6600 @ 3.6GHz.

i7 920 - $199 + tax
Gigabyte EX58-UD3R - $150
Xigmatek DK SV1283V - $41.99
OCZ Platinum XTC DDR3-1600 (1.65V, 7-7-7-24) - $70

TOTAL = ~$465

I basically need a CPU/MB/RAM combo to serve as a fileserver and the 'ol 965P-DS3 (Rev 1.0 baby!) seems up to the task. So for $465 (the same or less than I originally paid for the E6600, 965P-DS3, 2GB DDR2-667 and AC Freezer 7 Pro) I get an insanely powerful setup NOW and don't have to wait for mobo/BIOSes to mature, since I expect the same teething issues as when the i7 first came out.

Where do you get prices like those?
An i7 for $199???

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I get the impression that the Lynnfield is a terrible overclocker. Anand needed to overvolt it in order to hit 2.66ghz. Unless it has a lower stock voltage than the i7, this is bad news.

I don't understand how a CPU that overclocks so poorly and has such a low default clock speed is somehow the "CPU to get in 2009".

To me, if you look at the Phenom 2, it is a much more exciting processor in terms of what it can do for the amount of money you spend on it.

I really wish that reviews would cover performance/$ and performance/watt. Those are really the only two things I care about.

Why don't you read the disclaimer in the article first before you come to that conclusion.

The First Lynnfield Sample
Let me preface this with the usual disclaimer. Intel did *not* supply me with this chip and it is most definitely pre-production silicon, not necessarily indicative of final, shipping performance.

For all intents and purposes, the Lynnfield is an i7. It's not like intel is reinventing the wheel here. IMO for Anand to get that excited, the chip should have overclocked well, new silicon or not. It's not like the default clock speed is going to change, either (in all likelihood).

 

[Bman123]

I dont see why it wont get a 1ghz overclock ont he lynndale.I have seen some crazy C2D overclocks.I personally got a 1.2ghz oc on a E8400 on my buddies rig

Hopefully i5 is running good as I am trying to patiently wait for this to come out.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
For all intents and purposes, the Lynnfield is an i7. It's not like intel is reinventing the wheel here. IMO for Anand to get that excited, the chip should have overclocked well, new silicon or not. It's not like the default clock speed is going to change, either (in all likelihood).

Honestly, with the removal of one memory controller, adding QPI, (I think I got that right, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.) and a PCIe controller is more than enough changes to make preproduction silicon unstable. That could be why the Lynnfield silicon Anand is using is not able to reach the clock speeds of the i7 yet because all the errata and major bugs are not worked out on the sample he tested.

Like I said, wait for production silicon before coming to any real conclusions.

Cheers!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The important thing friend is your only paying for the stock speed . Turbo is a gift from intel to you. In my family we thank givers. It a consumer plus its innovation. That intel has worked years on to bring to you at affordable price. Same applies to HT its a gift . Compare pricies to performance its clearly a gift. I would still wait for dual core lol.

Don't be coy, it's certainly NOT a "gift". You paid for the R&D necessary for those features, when you paid for the CPU. Intel is a money-hungry corporation. They don't give anything to their customer for free.


ESPECIALLY when you consider that the lowest-end chips are going to have their HT disabled. Some "gift".

 

[VirtualLarry]

I like the single-core turbo speed of the highest-end Lynnfield. 3.6Ghz!

I was just thinking, how does one take advantage of that speed, since XP bounces threads around so much.

Then I got to thinking, what about Winows 98se? It runs 32-bit Windows apps, and it's single-threaded. Bingo! Perhaps we will see a resurgance of Win98se installs, if someone specifically wanted single-thread performance. (Possibly for running the M.A.M.E. emulator?)

Then again, one could always just grab an E8600 and OC it to 4+ Ghz anyways.

(Actually, the newest BIOS for my P35-DS3R 775 mobo allows one to disable all but one core. If the BIOS provides that feature, then you could boot the system into "single-thread mode", for highest speeds with single-threaded apps.)

 

[Jabbernyx]

That's a damn expensive MAME box I'd just grab an E5200 and any 'ol 775 mobo (I'm using one on an ABIT IB9), OC and save the change for beer.

 

[VirtualLarry]

"The new socket requires a new cooler. The four mounting holes are closer together on the LGA-1156 socket than they are on LGA-1366 boards, but further apart than LGA-775. It?s just different enough to require a brand new cooler, or at least a new mounting bracket. "

Dammit, Intel, why did you have to do that. Just keep the mounting brackets the same between 1156 and 1366,

"3) Intel could release an even slower Lynnfield and, by enabling HT, offer a chip faster than all other Penryn and Phenom II based processors in the market. "

If Intel could do that, then why don't they? Why are they crippling the lowest-end models by leaving out the HT capability. Why don't they go for maximum market share and just blow AMD out of the water totally?

 

[Bman123]

$100 mobo is fine with me and $200 for the cpu is great,I just hope it does well.
If it overclocks great at least 1ghz then all will be well.

Just waiting to see what happens.If it is a fail then I will get a phenom 2 x3 or x4 and call it a day

 

[jandlecack]

No Core i5 will outperform an i7 clocked at 3.6 to 4GHZ or above. Mark my words.

Intel knows what they are selling, knows what they are marketing to, and they aren't stupid enough to alienate the enthusiast market that purchases the i7.

Face it, i5 is mainstream, not high end desktop. The only reason this differentiation wasn't as clear with the Core 2's, was because they all blew AMD chips out of the water anyhow.

 

[classy]

I don't see this as much of an option. I7 is faster and will not cost much more money if more at all. X58 boards are becoming cheaper. All of the better higher end P55 boards will be just like P35 and P45, they will be just as expensive. With only 8x8 it will be slower in crossfire and sli, if it will support sli. There is very little cost difference between 4gb dual channel ddr3 and 6gb triple channel ddr3. And the next powerhouse cpu will be a drop in for X58 boards. With PII on the scene and I7 still ruling the roost, I don't see much in the P55 lynnfield. AMD will still be cheaper and they may release a 6 core for the desktop. You may get some $125 boards for P55/I5 but I doubt they will have the impact many think for the above reasons.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The important thing friend is your only paying for the stock speed . Turbo is a gift from intel to you. In my family we thank givers. It a consumer plus its innovation. That intel has worked years on to bring to you at affordable price. Same applies to HT its a gift . Compare pricies to performance its clearly a gift. I would still wait for dual core lol.

Don't be coy, it's certainly NOT a "gift". You paid for the R&D necessary for those features, when you paid for the CPU. Intel is a money-hungry corporation. They don't give anything to their customer for free.


ESPECIALLY when you consider that the lowest-end chips are going to have their HT disabled. Some "gift".

.

Whos being coy here?

Turbo is a gift . The 2,66 may nay not have HT but it has turbo that goes to 3.2. At 2,66 no HT with Turbo its cheaper and faster than top of line PHII. So yes it is a gift . Everthing you pay above $196 is priced in . You view it however you please . But I am grateful that Intel will Keeping performance high and managed to add Consumer benefits and innovation the other company just doesn't offer at a better price .

Besides I have seen the 2 core with HT . and its cheap and its stomps allover the 2.66.

I will actually have one here very shortly. I should say I . My daughter will have one here thanks to her mothers sisters husband.

I not coy . I already said I feel the 2.66 is way over priced . But thats because I know whats going to slide into that slot. Its not 4 cores LOL. I have the feeling tho AMD fanbois are seeing where this is going. So they scarred . Tech moves forward with intel consummers benefit innovation all over the place . Lower pricies. Now AMD has to cut further, than the 2 core comes and AMD has to cut further . THan the EU will step in and say Intel has lost contol it is destroying innovation and hurting consumers. As PH11 top end falls below $125. You guys should be loving this . Soon you can get a PHII as a prize in cracker jack box. Isn't this what you want low low pricies . AMd seems to be setting new price lows for both gpus and cpus . Just befor they die out . I think US government should look into AMDs pricieing for GPUs and CPUs. I mean PHII will be selling at 2 core pricies its insane of AMd.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Just that gifts are free, and with Intel's i5s, you have to pay extra for HT support. So therefore it's not a gift. As much as you love Intel Nem, I have to paint a more realistic picture here.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Just that gifts are free, and with Intel's i5s, you have to pay extra for HT support. So therefore it's not a gift. As much as you love Intel Nem, I have to paint a more realistic picture here.

Wrong . Your paying extra for base clock thats all. HT and Turbo are free. Comparred to what competion is out there even against penryn this holds true . Or Have we forgotten AMDx2 pricies so soon. If anyone can be proved to have hurt consumers and innovation . It would be AMD and there pricieng on X2 and setting on it . . Comparred to todays pricing . Intel cuts cost moderatly AMD cuts off hand.

 

[Zensal]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Just that gifts are free, and with Intel's i5s, you have to pay extra for HT support. So therefore it's not a gift. As much as you love Intel Nem, I have to paint a more realistic picture here.

Wrong . Your paying extra for base clock thats all. HT and Turbo are free. Comparred to what competion is out there even against penryn this holds true . Or Have we forgotten AMDx2 pricies so soon. If anyone can be proved to have hurt consumers and innovation . It would be AMD and there pricieng on X2 and setting on it . . Comparred to todays pricing . Intel cuts cost moderatly AMD cuts off hand.

No, sorry. If I buy a CPU with HT and/or Turbo, that is not a gift. I paid for those features. It doesn't matter what other CPUs are out there or what they cost. The only way it would be a gift is if Intel walked up to me and handed me a free chip.

 

[Jabbernyx]

Originally posted by: Zensal
No, sorry. If I buy a CPU with HT and/or Turbo, that is not a gift. I paid for those features. It doesn't matter what other CPUs are out there or what they cost. The only way it would be a gift is if Intel walked up to me and handed me a free chip.

I heard free, then what?

 

[Spicedaddy]

Lynnfield would be perfect if they just put HyperThreading in the lowest clocked CPU.

100$ extra for the next model up just to get HT?? Might as well get i7 920...

 

[taltamir]

with 633 mhz turbo mode and a 100$ or lower mobo, no you are not better off getting an i7

 

[Bman123]

Once again we have to wait and see.
If I find a good deal on S775 parts I will jump on it.I dont really need the quad core now anyways but it would be nice to have it.

I just wonder when we are gonna get some realistic prices and good gaming benchmarks using the i5.I swear if i5 sucks I will build a 775 rig in a heartbeat

 

[Zensal]

QFT Bman.

 

[imported_Shaq]

Originally posted by: taltamir
with 633 mhz turbo mode and a 100$ or lower mobo, no you are not better off getting an i7

But will turbo work if you OC it to 4.0+? I doubt it will go to 4.6. It might be disabled once you OC it over 3.2 or so. We don't know yet.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You know the more I think about i5 the more I don't like the whole thing. First off why not just have one platform like 775. You could get yourself a decent mobo and cheap cpu. Later when you could afford it or needed the extra performance you could get a bad ass cpu then instantly you have a sweet system. So now your telling me if I want the best performance I'm gonna have to buy $1000 cpu's. WTF. I now am being priced out of top tier computing. Not because I can't afford it but because to me $1000 cpu prices are ridiculous for something that does not contribute to my livelyhood. It looked like i7 was heading in the right direction. Mobo's were coming down in price. The cpu's were reasonable. Now if I buy an i7 platform(even though its affordable now) later on if I want a better cpu I'm gonna shell out close to a thousand dollars. Mobo prices will also be incredibly high as mentioned in articles since the new i7 buyers will be high dollar spenders.
Intel is just getting greedy. Hell it seemed they were doing pretty well. They just got fined for billions of dollars and it still hasn't affected day to day operations.
I'm seriously considering another hobby. I will not be intel's bitch.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
"The new socket requires a new cooler. The four mounting holes are closer together on the LGA-1156 socket than they are on LGA-1366 boards, but further apart than LGA-775. It?s just different enough to require a brand new cooler, or at least a new mounting bracket. "

Dammit, Intel, why did you have to do that. Just keep the mounting brackets the same between 1156 and 1366,

"3) Intel could release an even slower Lynnfield and, by enabling HT, offer a chip faster than all other Penryn and Phenom II based processors in the market. "

If Intel could do that, then why don't they? Why are they crippling the lowest-end models by leaving out the HT capability. Why don't they go for maximum market share and just blow AMD out of the water totally?

They're not even using Vaseline this time. Intel feels they can do whatever they wish, collude with other vendors so they make money too. Intel knows that the consumer masses will never organize enough to invoke a massive boycott of their products. They have no fear of this. So they make things "just" different enough where you will need to spend more money. I know the aftermarket cooling companies are thanking Intel right about now.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
You know the more I think about i5 the more I don't like the whole thing. First off why not just have one platform like 775. You could get yourself a decent mobo and cheap cpu. Later when you could afford it or needed the extra performance you could get a bad ass cpu then instantly you have a sweet system. So now your telling me if I want the best performance I'm gonna have to buy $1000 cpu's. WTF. I now am being priced out of top tier computing. Not because I can't afford it but because to me $1000 cpu prices are ridiculous for something that does not contribute to my livelyhood. It looked like i7 was heading in the right direction. Mobo's were coming down in price. The cpu's were reasonable. Now if I buy an i7 platform(even though its affordable now) later on if I want a better cpu I'm gonna shell out close to a thousand dollars. Mobo prices will also be incredibly high as mentioned in articles since the new i7 buyers will be high dollar spenders.
Intel is just getting greedy. Hell it seemed they were doing pretty well. They just got fined for billions of dollars and it still hasn't affected day to day operations.
I'm seriously considering another hobby. I will not be intel's bitch.

Ya I said that along time ago . Many wouldn't like this setup. I love it . Its the fairest setup I have ever seen . If people don't like Buy PHII and unlocked its that simple.

If I pay for top performance . I don't like a lowend system = it . I think that unfair .

Under this system . Your going to get what ya pay for.

If you don't want Intels top . Than don't buy . Hell don't even buy INTEL Buy AMD Stop Bitching. These pricies on the 2.66 are cheaper than AMDs top PHII. So I don't see why any have a bitch None what so ever . If you don't like it switch . OEMs are loving it. When 2core 32nm clarsdale shows you will hate it even more . But pricies fall even firther and you still have better performance than AMds Top.

I think this is great For consumers. I new most on forums wouldn't . But its about time. Intel well done . Time ya went for the dam kill. Now because Intel has been falsely accused and found guility . They going to show world how easy ants are to step on.

Than all will clearly see trueth. As intel no longer props up AMds 20% market share. We have 2.66 . $194 third QT . We have the killer 2 cores at 32nm in the fourth . I never thought intel would go for the kill . But my how things have changed stupid EU.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

How is this great for the consumer? I always thought getting the most for your dollar was the way to go.


I know they have spell checker and it seems to of worked for you. Is there any grammar and punctuation checkers out there. Your butchering of the english language is annoying.