Anand has Lynnfield Preview Up

[lopri]

Since there is no more FSB/QPI license per se, to innocent minds anyone can make chipsets for these CPUs.. (or not). Keep in mind you always have to take into consideratin Intel's chipset prices, when evaluating its CPU prices. Cheap CPUs means nothing if they can run on nothing. The i5 pricing seems to be reflecting such a concern. If Intel is forced to allow 3rd party chipsets (e.g. by DOJ), then it risks a danger losing of Intel's major cash cow, at least partially.

But have no fear. Intel is smart. Enter the myriads of new sockets. So far Socket 1155 (not 1156), 1160 and 1567 have been rumoured. So that's 5 sockets right there without counting mobile variants. (Can't confirm other than 1156, though 1567 sounds like a server socket)

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
They're not even using Vaseline this time. Intel feels they can do whatever they wish, collude with other vendors so they make money too. Intel knows that the consumer masses will never organize enough to invoke a massive boycott of their products. They have no fear of this. So they make things "just" different enough where you will need to spend more money. I know the aftermarket cooling companies are thanking Intel right about now.

Agreed. Can't blame Intel for its business strategy - business is business, after all. But what I'm wondering is why no media outlet is willing to question things from consumer perspetives. (except Inquirer, maybe)

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: taltamir
with 633 mhz turbo mode and a 100$ or lower mobo, no you are not better off getting an i7

Turbo mode is for people who don't overclock, and good P55 mobos won't be 100$ or lower when they come out, while X58 boards keep getting cheaper every month.

If you're on Core 2: wait and see.
If you're on older stuff and want to upgrade: not worth the 3-4 month wait IMO.

 

[Jabbernyx]

Originally posted by: Spicedaddy
Turbo mode is for people who don't overclock, and good P55 mobos won't be 100$ or lower when they come out, while X58 boards keep getting cheaper every month.

^ This. I'm not sure why people are so optimistic though and wouldn't you have to wait for the board/BIOS bugs to be ironed out?

If you're on Core 2: wait and see.
If you're on older stuff and want to upgrade: not worth the 3-4 month wait IMO.

Heck, I'm on a 1st gen C2D setup (P965/E6600) and I'm moving now.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
How is this great for the consumer? I always thought getting the most for your dollar was the way to go.


I know they have spell checker and it seems to of worked for you. Is there any grammar and punctuation checkers out there. Your butchering of the english language is annoying.

Look I really don't know how to put this . I not even sure its true. But as I understand it.

Intel has this really good 2 core 4 threaded chip this I know as fact . Of course intels 4 core 8 thread chip is better multi tasking , I was a little surprized to here that there might be a 4ghz unlocked XT. 2 core for I5. Now this makes since at $500. Intel will be cattering big power to 2 differant segment. Why on release parts does everone get excited . The excitement comes months later. This is a brutal assailt by intel .


But lets look at the true facts . I asked this befor in a thread. What is Intel suppose to do with this 2core chip without killing AMD . Its done deal its over. Intel has margins and manufactoring Tech lead . No way can it be said intel Is doing anything ilegal with its pricing or business practicies . Their just going to open up the silcon flood gates and show true facts. Nice grammer/spelling attack . Its at list less transparenent than your rant on intels fine products.

Like I said you can be a fanbois and buy more expensive PHII or you can be informed consumer and go bang for buck. I see where this helps consumer your argument is based on 100% pure bias trash talk. You can't not show in anyway this hurts consumers. This only hurts 1 intity . We all know who that is,

 

[William Gaatjes]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
You know the more I think about i5 the more I don't like the whole thing. First off why not just have one platform like 775. You could get yourself a decent mobo and cheap cpu. Later when you could afford it or needed the extra performance you could get a bad ass cpu then instantly you have a sweet system. So now your telling me if I want the best performance I'm gonna have to buy $1000 cpu's. WTF. I now am being priced out of top tier computing. Not because I can't afford it but because to me $1000 cpu prices are ridiculous for something that does not contribute to my livelyhood. It looked like i7 was heading in the right direction. Mobo's were coming down in price. The cpu's were reasonable. Now if I buy an i7 platform(even though its affordable now) later on if I want a better cpu I'm gonna shell out close to a thousand dollars. Mobo prices will also be incredibly high as mentioned in articles since the new i7 buyers will be high dollar spenders.
Intel is just getting greedy. Hell it seemed they were doing pretty well. They just got fined for billions of dollars and it still hasn't affected day to day operations.
I'm seriously considering another hobby. I will not be intel's bitch.

I once suggested that this would happen more and more often. And it would be a reason to justify on board main memory soldered directly on the motherboard. By selling the motherboards with different grades of ram, there would be a speed option. I am still wondering if in the distant future a few cm's less trace lenght could really make such a difference. Anyway it came true. Different cpu sockets because of different memory first for AMD and now for Intel too. And in the case of Intel different cpu sockets because of different cpu to io communications as well.

Funny how things turn out.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
How is this great for the consumer? I always thought getting the most for your dollar was the way to go.


I know they have spell checker and it seems to of worked for you. Is there any grammar and punctuation checkers out there. Your butchering of the english language is annoying.

Your command of the English language isn't exactly stellar, sunshine.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Just that gifts are free, and with Intel's i5s, you have to pay extra for HT support. So therefore it's not a gift. As much as you love Intel Nem, I have to paint a more realistic picture here.

Wrong . Your paying extra for base clock thats all. HT and Turbo are free. Comparred to what competion is out there even against penryn this holds true . Or Have we forgotten AMDx2 pricies so soon. If anyone can be proved to have hurt consumers and innovation . It would be AMD and there pricieng on X2 and setting on it . . Comparred to todays pricing . Intel cuts cost moderatly AMD cuts off hand.

Initial X2 pricing was equitable for what it delivered. I don't know why you keep ranting on this. Blaming AMD for hurting "consumers and innovation" is ridiculous.

 

[Bman123]

Wow lets get back on track guys.

i7 is designed to be for people who are enthusiasts,the same people who drop $500 or more on video cards.

i5 is for the little guys like me who only drop $150 on a video card.It is for the people who dont need the best thing out but still want to get something that performs well enough for us to have a good time gaming on it.

 

[aigomorla]

B4 we pass more judgements about the i5, lets wait til anandtech overclocks it.

Or someone tries to overclock it.

dont you guys find it funny that they didnt try to overclock it when they did on the 920 preview?

Infact dont you guys find it funny that no one has a preview of one overclocked?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well we know this much . On retail setups.Turbo goe 3.6 3.4 3.2. Consumers will love.

I am getting a M/B cpu shortly . Haven't a clue about M/B or cpu other than its 32nm 2 core . But when I get I shot ya a pm if its got good o/c bias.

At least you got the DO I didn't get:frown:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Say fella ya never did. PM me on that freaken stepping. DO . Can't be said you can't keep a secret.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: SickBeast
For all intents and purposes, the Lynnfield is an i7. It's not like intel is reinventing the wheel here. IMO for Anand to get that excited, the chip should have overclocked well, new silicon or not. It's not like the default clock speed is going to change, either (in all likelihood).

Honestly, with the removal of one memory controller, adding QPI, (I think I got that right, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.) and a PCIe controller is more than enough changes to make preproduction silicon unstable. That could be why the Lynnfield silicon Anand is using is not able to reach the clock speeds of the i7 yet because all the errata and major bugs are not worked out on the sample he tested.

Like I said, wait for production silicon before coming to any real conclusions.

Cheers!

You could well be right.

I wonder if the onboard PCIe controller is for Larrabee. Now that you bring it up, it apparently is only 1/2 the bandwidth of what you get with a current i7 motherboard, however there may be a potential for reduced latency. I'm all for it; I just hope they can get the bandwidth up.

What is QPI?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Say fella ya never did. PM me on that freaken stepping. DO . Can't be said you can't keep a secret.

i didnt get a pm from ya.

Also, whats so hot about the i5 if you cant overclock it tho.

id rather suck up a 920 D0 while i still had a chance and grab 3.8-4.0 on 8 threads, then be stuck on a 3.6 single core tubro on mode, i5.

 

[dmens]

Also, whats so hot about the i5 if you cant overclock it tho.

who said that. BCLK is still there right. then you can overclock.

 

[SickBeast]

n/m

 

[Jabbernyx]

They've been taking notes from OT (or was that L&R?) and are maintaining a stance of dominance

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Say fella ya never did. PM me on that freaken stepping. DO . Can't be said you can't keep a secret.

i didnt get a pm from ya.

Also, whats so hot about the i5 if you cant overclock it tho.

id rather suck up a 920 D0 while i still had a chance and grab 3.8-4.0 on 8 threads, then be stuck on a 3.6 single core tubro on mode, i5.

Thats correct you didn't . I didn't get the PM you promised me on the secret chip . I now assume that was DO.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Look I really don't know how to put this . I not even sure its true. But as I understand it.

Intel has this really good 2 core 4 threaded chip this I know as fact . Of course intels 4 core 8 thread chip is better multi tasking , I was a little surprized to here that there might be a 4ghz unlocked XT. 2 core for I5. Now this makes since at $500. Intel will be cattering big power to 2 differant segment. Why on release parts does everone get excited . The excitement comes months later. This is a brutal assailt by intel .


But lets look at the true facts . I asked this befor in a thread. What is Intel suppose to do with this 2core chip without killing AMD . Its done deal its over. Intel has margins and manufactoring Tech lead . No way can it be said intel Is doing anything ilegal with its pricing or business practicies . Their just going to open up the silcon flood gates and show true facts. Nice grammer/spelling attack . Its at list less transparenent than your rant on intels fine products.

Like I said you can be a fanbois and buy more expensive PHII or you can be informed consumer and go bang for buck. I see where this helps consumer your argument is based on 100% pure bias trash talk. You can't not show in anyway this hurts consumers. This only hurts 1 intity . We all know who that is,

Sorry Nem, but Lynnfield is not out so AMD is still offering bang for the buck over Intel at the current pricing stucture. Only a Intel fanboy can not see that.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
You could well be right.

I wonder if the onboard PCIe controller is for Larrabee. Now that you bring it up, it apparently is only 1/2 the bandwidth of what you get with a current i7 motherboard, however there may be a potential for reduced latency. I'm all for it; I just hope they can get the bandwidth up.

What is QPI?

I think it stands for QuickPath Interconnect or something like that.

QPI Wikipedia

It is the Intel version of Hypertransport. I am going off of memory, but the QPI on the i7 and the i5 are a little different if i remember the Anandtech article correctly. That is why I was saying for those in the know to feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

 

[SickBeast]

I'm really guessing that intel is trying to create a gaming platform with this i5 socket. For GPGPU purposes, they say that you don't need as much PCIe bandwidth. That may explain why intel has put a 1/2 bandwidth PCIe controller on the Lynnfield. It probably saves die space, and does not negatively impact Larrabee (but will negatively impact AMD/NV GPUs).

That's pretty underhanded, especially in light of the massive antitrust settlement in Europe. This one is simply blatant IMO.

 

[imported_Shaq]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm really guessing that intel is trying to create a gaming platform with this i5 socket. For GPGPU purposes, they say that you don't need as much PCIe bandwidth. That may explain why intel has put a 1/2 bandwidth PCIe controller on the Lynnfield. It probably saves die space, and does not negatively impact Larrabee (but will negatively impact AMD/NV GPUs).

That's pretty underhanded, especially in light of the massive antitrust settlement in Europe. This one is simply blatant IMO.

Interesting. I didn't think of that. Make Nvidia and AMD users buy the most expensive board in order to get full bandwidth for their video cards and offer Larrabee on the cheaper boards. It will make Larrabee even more attractive price vs. performance. And that would force AMD and Nvidia into making chipsets to get that bandwidth back. We'll see if that is part of their strategy with this move.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: dmens

Also, whats so hot about the i5 if you cant overclock it tho.

who said that. BCLK is still there right. then you can overclock.

iim hearing that BCLK is ramped up really high.

like how they did when they neutered us on the E6600 1066FSB -> E6750 with the 1600FSB.

 

[iCyborg]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: dmens

Also, whats so hot about the i5 if you cant overclock it tho.

who said that. BCLK is still there right. then you can overclock.

iim hearing that BCLK is ramped up really high.

like how they did when they neutered us on the E6600 1066FSB -> E6750 with the 1600FSB.

but the clocks between different i5 models differ by 133 MHz, one would think it's just one multi?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Look I really don't know how to put this . I not even sure its true. But as I understand it.

Intel has this really good 2 core 4 threaded chip this I know as fact . Of course intels 4 core 8 thread chip is better multi tasking , I was a little surprized to here that there might be a 4ghz unlocked XT. 2 core for I5. Now this makes since at $500. Intel will be cattering big power to 2 differant segment. Why on release parts does everone get excited . The excitement comes months later. This is a brutal assailt by intel .


But lets look at the true facts . I asked this befor in a thread. What is Intel suppose to do with this 2core chip without killing AMD . Its done deal its over. Intel has margins and manufactoring Tech lead . No way can it be said intel Is doing anything ilegal with its pricing or business practicies . Their just going to open up the silcon flood gates and show true facts. Nice grammer/spelling attack . Its at list less transparenent than your rant on intels fine products.

Like I said you can be a fanbois and buy more expensive PHII or you can be informed consumer and go bang for buck. I see where this helps consumer your argument is based on 100% pure bias trash talk. You can't not show in anyway this hurts consumers. This only hurts 1 intity . We all know who that is,

Sorry Nem, but Lynnfield is not out so AMD is still offering bang for the buck over Intel at the current pricing stucture. Only a Intel fanboy can not see that.

Sorry only amd fanbois leave out details, I posted . Clearly I said Beginning 3rd qt . 1 month for 4 core beginning 4th quarter 32nm 2 core 4 thread. Ya A month really gives AMD breathing room .

I am going to help AMD out. I have PH now . After they cut pricies to the bone . I gonna pick up very Cheap PHII . Along with a cut to bone priced M/B . I already got all the DDR3 I need

There more than 1 post in thread . I don't need to keep putting down dates after time frame established.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Shaq

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm really guessing that intel is trying to create a gaming platform with this i5 socket. For GPGPU purposes, they say that you don't need as much PCIe bandwidth. That may explain why intel has put a 1/2 bandwidth PCIe controller on the Lynnfield. It probably saves die space, and does not negatively impact Larrabee (but will negatively impact AMD/NV GPUs).

That's pretty underhanded, especially in light of the massive antitrust settlement in Europe. This one is simply blatant IMO.

Interesting. I didn't think of that. Make Nvidia and AMD users buy the most expensive board in order to get full bandwidth for their video cards and offer Larrabee on the cheaper boards. It will make Larrabee even more attractive price vs. performance. And that would force AMD and Nvidia into making chipsets to get that bandwidth back. We'll see if that is part of their strategy with this move.

Yeah, I'm guessing that the Larrabee could benefit 20-30% or more from the on-die PCIe controller as well due to the reduced latency. I have a feeling that it's going to be really lopsided. I could see Larrabee winning a few benchmarks on an i5 motherboard, then losing them all on a different motherboard, and vice versa.

Intel is doing everything that they can to boost Larrabee's performance as they appear to be at a 50% transistor disadvantage by default.