Anand says don't buy an expensive video card before April/May.

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on, Boss! Drop some more hints! Who has the edge, ATi or nVidia?

I can answer this:

nVidia

(this from an fAnTIc . . . you'll see)

 

[MadRat]

I doubt that NV40 is going to be so great just because of their brute force antics. NVidia has been pretty hamstrung since the 5900 family came out because of more than just pipelines. They not only had the same number of pipelines as ATI's 9800 family, but they also had a huge lead in raw memory bandwidth, all for not. C'mon, for crying out loud NVidia had to bitch and moan for Microsoft to amend the DirectX 9.x standards so that their new designs could feature "full" 9.x compatibility. If ATI even went to twelve pipelines, then I'm sure they could keep up with sixteen from an NVidia design. There has to be more to it than a simple pipeline increase or NVidia isn't going to wow us at all except for their Quake 3 scores...

 

[ElFenix]

bah, with a radeon 9800 pro at $200 now might as well buy one, even if something better does come out in 2 months. it will probably cost $400 and not be twice as fast.

<--- hasn't read the whole thead

 

[Tango57]

dullard, good point! i totally agree. that's sensible and practical thinking that's why i decided to go ahead and by my leadtek 5900 ultra 256 MB for only $280 and i'm happy with that!

 

[Neyd3400]

I plan on upgrading in the fall after the Athalon 64 K8T890 chipset is out. It will allow me to run a AGP AIW card and PCI -X graphic card. HL2 and UT2k4 are the only games i am interested in at the moment. Who knows when HL2 will be out and U2Tk4 might sux, UT tooks a few steps backward with UT2k3. So why bother upgrading when there is nother new to play. My 8500 is still playing XMP nicely.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Neyd3400
I plan on upgrading in the fall after the Athalon 64 K8T890 chipset is out. It will allow me to run a AGP AIW card and PCI -X graphic card. HL2 and UT2k4 are the only games i am interested in at the moment. Who knows when HL2 will be out and U2Tk4 might sux, UT tooks a few steps backward with UT2k3. So why bother upgrading when there is nother new to play. My 8500 is still playing XMP nicely.

It's Athlon and PCI-E. Sorry, but this is the 8 bagillionth time I've seen the PCI-X\E thing and the Athlon thing happened to be there.

 

[BenSkywalker]

WOW, you play Far Cry at 16x12 with everything jacked up. You must have one hell of a system. I'm not talkin bout a Voodoo3 vs. a 9800XT. My point is that the latest $499 video card is not needed. you can get a 9800 Pro for around 2 bills and thats plenty to play most every game at 12x10 or 10x7 at the very least.

No, I'm saying the NV40/R420 will. I only have a R9800Pro, quite slow in comparison. I can play @2048x1536, but have to back down the details quite a bit. At 1600x1200 I certainly can't use AF/AA, but the demo is relatively playable with everything set to high(not very high and it does chug bad in some parts).

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on, Boss! Drop some more hints! Who has the edge, ATi or nVidia?

I can answer this:

nVidia

(this from an fAnTIc . . . you'll see)

Have you seen a real comparison? I remember Anand hyping up the Dustbuster FX5800 to be a 9700 Pro killa. I still think history is repeating itself through NVDA's marketing machine.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on, Boss! Drop some more hints! Who has the edge, ATi or nVidia?

I can answer this:

nVidia

(this from an fAnTIc . . . you'll see)

But if you're right, I guess we can go ahead and count ATi out of this race or what?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Have you seen a real comparison? I remember Anand hyping up the Dustbuster FX5800 to be a 9700 Pro killa. I still think history is repeating itself through NVDA's marketing machine.

There are elements that we know that would tend to indicate nVidia should have an edge. The R420 is refresh of the R3x0 core. A heavy refresh, but still a refresh(the R400 was dropped). The NV40 is a new core from nV. Just based on history that would tend to give nVidia a bit of an edge. Not saying it will work out that way, but following history and logic nV should have an advantage this round(in features and performance).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Anand Lal Shimpi
NV40/R420 are April/May timeframe, not 10 months.

Take care,
Anand

Cool that'll be about the time to buy a 9800pro/5950 for pennies on the dollar. I find it most prudent being one generation behind.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on, Boss! Drop some more hints! Who has the edge, ATi or nVidia?

I can answer this:

nVidia

(this from an fAnTIc . . . you'll see)

But if you're right, I guess we can go ahead and count ATi out of this race or what?

You can NEVER count ATI out (not in the forseeable future).

See Ben's reply above mine; nVidia should "edge" ATI this time . . . but we'll know for sure pretty soon.

It's been awhile since I had a nVidia GPU.

 

[ponyo]

Anand gets paid to hype. ATI and Nvidia have big pockets. But I think Nvidia has bigger one.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on, Boss! Drop some more hints! Who has the edge, ATi or nVidia?

I can answer this:

nVidia

(this from an fAnTIc . . . you'll see)

But if you're right, I guess we can go ahead and count ATi out of this race or what?

You can NEVER count ATI out (not in the forseeable future).

See Ben's reply above mine; nVidia should "edge" ATI this time . . . but we'll know for sure pretty soon.

It's been awhile since I had a nVidia GPU.

You suck

Spill your beans!!!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on, Boss! Drop some more hints! Who has the edge, ATi or nVidia?

I can answer this:

nVidia

(this from an fAnTIc . . . you'll see)

But if you're right, I guess we can go ahead and count ATi out of this race or what?

You can NEVER count ATI out (not in the forseeable future).

See Ben's reply above mine; nVidia should "edge" ATI this time . . . but we'll know for sure pretty soon.

It's been awhile since I had a nVidia GPU.

You suck

Spill your beans!!!

No way!

Seriously . . . .

My analysis comes from reading EVERYTHING I can find and noting trends over the years - I have been actively following this since the ATI Rage chipset when ati got serious about performance graphics.

It has been cyclic . . . it's just nVidia's "turn" to excel . . . if they miss it, they are gonna give ati some "permanent" edge.



But then, we'll see.
(and it won't be long 'till we see some serious and accurate info "leaks" about the new products)

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Have you seen a real comparison? I remember Anand hyping up the Dustbuster FX5800 to be a 9700 Pro killa. I still think history is repeating itself through NVDA's marketing machine.

There are elements that we know that would tend to indicate nVidia should have an edge. The R420 is refresh of the R3x0 core. A heavy refresh, but still a refresh(the R400 was dropped). The NV40 is a new core from nV. Just based on history that would tend to give nVidia a bit of an edge. Not saying it will work out that way, but following history and logic nV should have an advantage this round(in features and performance).

How much do we really know about these chips though? I find it unlikely that the NV40 is entirely re-engineered from the first transistor onwards; it would be far more logical to take what's already proven to work well(such as the basic pipelines, the T&L unit, etc), and build upon those. In such a situation, isn't everything basically a refresh?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Have you seen a real comparison? I remember Anand hyping up the Dustbuster FX5800 to be a 9700 Pro killa. I still think history is repeating itself through NVDA's marketing machine.

There are elements that we know that would tend to indicate nVidia should have an edge. The R420 is refresh of the R3x0 core. A heavy refresh, but still a refresh(the R400 was dropped). The NV40 is a new core from nV. Just based on history that would tend to give nVidia a bit of an edge. Not saying it will work out that way, but following history and logic nV should have an advantage this round(in features and performance).

How much do we really know about these chips though? I find it unlikely that the NV40 is entirely re-engineered from the first transistor onwards; it would be far more logical to take what's already proven to work well(such as the basic pipelines, the T&L unit, etc), and build upon those. In such a situation, isn't everything basically a refresh?

Some are more refreshing than others.

it's (all) a matter of degree . . .

. . . . I believe nVidia's will be more advanced . . .

. . . we'll see.