Anand vs. Evan Lieb

lifeguard1999

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Anand Lal Shimpi wrote on October 17, 2001

"NVIDIA clearly spoiled the preliminary introduction of the Radeon 8500 back in August with the release of their Detonator 4/XP drivers. We were told by NVIDIA that these new drivers would not only improve performance, but that they would be made publicly available the very same week we tested with them. Obviously, that didn't happen, and it ended up taking another month before the drivers were released. The performance gains were tangible, but the drivers weren't fit for release when NVIDIA provided them to the press and honestly shouldn't have been used. Hindsight being 20/20, we made a promise to ourselves that we would not allow any further performance enhancing drivers to be used in our video card reviews unless we could make the drivers publicly available to our readers immediately." (Emphasis mine)

Evan Lieb wrote on October 2, 2003

Secondly, I don't really see how using beta drivers for a review is somehow wrong because they're not available to the public.



No offense is meant, Evan Lieb. It is just when I read your comment, I knew that Anand had written differently earlier... especially since I own an 8500.

BTW: The search engine for your site is suboptimal (managementspeak word of the day). It took hours to find the right combination of words to locate the article. I almost resorted to reading every video article for the past 2 years. Almost.
 

Eagle17

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Bravo, I remember that article and I thought about it on this last one although I coould not remember which site made that statement...

Good Find.
 

Robor

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Well Anand thought it was okay to use the current Nvidia beta drivers in the lastest review so for one reason or another he's changed his tune in that regard. I don't think there's anything "shady" going on here though. I've been a member for a long time and although I don't "know" Anand or anyone on his staff I trust them to give a fair review of the product. That said, I think it would be best if only official drivers were used to evaluate a product - or at least include both official and beta drivers.

Good find though Lifeguard. Your memory is much better than mine!
 

SickBeast

Lifer
Jul 21, 2000
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I'm thinking that Nvidia may have forced Anand to use the beta drivers in exchange for an exclusive preview of the NV38 card. It would be such a shame if true...
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm thinking that Nvidia may have forced Anand to use the beta drivers in exchange for an exclusive preview of the NV38 card. It would be such a shame if true...
If that's what happened I couldn't blame him. That's quite an exclusive after all. I mean, if it's "use these drivers or you don't get to do the exclusive review" the only other option would be to turn down the offer. Plus if that was the case who is the dirty one, Anand or Nvidia? I say the latter. Anand only used drivers provided and didn't hide that they were unavailable beta drivers in any way.
 

DarkKnight

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oh well, I don't think it did Nvidia much good. Radeon 9800Xt still beat it in most of the tests.
 

MDE

Lifer
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He was forced to use the beta drivers because the Det 40s don't have NV38 support.
 

THUGSROOK

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det 45.32 drivers

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Ackmed

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News flash, THUGSROOK: The drivers are still beta, and thats what this post is about.

Perhaps you should actually try reading, before you post.
 

rbV5

Lifer
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News flash, THUGSROOK: The drivers are still beta, and thats what this post is about.

News flash nOOb:

Direct Download for the latest official nVIDIA Detonators :

Current version : 45.23

:

Whats with all the flaming new members?
 

Genx87

Lifer
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This is a classic example of the lengths people will go through to let their fanboism show lololololol

Digging back to 2001 to contradict somebody in 2003 rotflmao!

This is wholly pathetic.

 

THUGSROOK

Elite Member
Feb 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
News flash, THUGSROOK: The drivers are still beta, and thats what this post is about.

Perhaps you should actually try reading, before you post.
hey, thx for the tip!

my point is that it doesnt matter what drivers he uses since they are all low quality cheater drivers. but there was an alternative to the already infamous 5x.xx drivers.
NV has become 3DFX :disgust:
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: rbV5
News flash, THUGSROOK: The drivers are still beta, and thats what this post is about.

News flash nOOb:

Direct Download for the latest official nVIDIA Detonators :

Current version : 45.23

:

Whats with all the flaming new members?

Former members who have been banned are switching from DSL to ComCast cable because ComCast is now $20 per month for 6 months... so their IP addresses and MAC addresses and e-mail addresses are different now. Steve is back too, did you see him in the CPU/Overclocking forum?
 

lifeguard1999

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This is a classic example of the lengths people will go through to let their fanboism show lololololol

You are incorrect. I am not a fanboy. I own one ATI Radeon 8500 at home and bought seven NVidia Quadros for work. If you read past posts of mine, I have recommended both NVidia and ATI.

Digging back to 2001 to contradict somebody in 2003 rotflmao!

Why? If a site says that they will not use beta drivers one year, then uses beta drivers later on, why can't they be held accountable?
 

Ackmed

Diamond Member
Oct 1, 2003
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Originally posted by: rbV5
News flash, THUGSROOK: The drivers are still beta, and thats what this post is about.

News flash nOOb:

Direct Download for the latest official nVIDIA Detonators :

Current version : 45.23

:

Whats with all the flaming new members?


That doesnt change that they used beta drivers.

Whats with members with a lot of posts flaming new members. You are no better than someone who joined yesterday. Get over yourself.
 
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