Anand X800XL Benchamarks

[McArra]

It looks fantastic, it's a shame there will only be PCI-E version. I've bought an Asus 6800GT 256mb that arrives tomorrow.

 

[Matthias99]

For $300 bucks it should be an excellent PCIe solution. Certainly competitive with the 6800GT (faster in HL2, slower in Doom3; no surprises there).

Now, if only they had it in AGP, and they had it six months ago... BOTH companies need to work more on availability and less on cranking out new products before the old ones are actually in the retail channel.

 

[Spike]

I feel the same way, if there card were actually available I might be more upset about getting a 6800 GT less than a month ago, but as it is.... we may not see this card till March! That would have been too long for me to wait.

<--- not one for delayed gratification

-spike

 

[MegaWorks]

This card reminds me a lot of the Radeon 9500 Pro, great value with excellent performance.

I really want this card now

Edit: I said game instead of card

 

[Todd33]

Is it hard to ignore the Doom III performance? Not really, most people hate the game and do not play it. Doom III banchmarks remind me of Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness benchmarks. WTF cares? Are there any games coming out on the Doom III engine? Seems to me opengl is near dead in the gaming world and id might not be around much longer if they keep pumping out rehashed garbage. If this card really is going to be $300, it will own that market segment unless Nvidia drops there price of the 6800GT. Too bad all these cards are not AGP too.

 

[classy]

It does look good. The big thing is great performance for not and arm and a leg. If ATI has said they will be dropping the price to $299, it makes me think that they are getting good yields.

But I like the way Hardocp sums it up

The best bang for the buck currently is the Radeon X800XL, which at a MSRP of $299, is $100 cheaper than any PCI-E GeForce 6800GTs we can currently find for sale. For the price, the ATI Radeon X800XL is offering a lot of performance in current games.

Although we do have to add that we have currently lost faith in ATI to actually deliver the retail goods to the public. Hopefully we did not just publish another evaluation of product that you will never be able to buy at or below its MSRP, if you are able to buy it at all?or have a PCI-Express motherboard to put it in.

Anand starts out dealing with ATI's lack of availability. It is really a wait and see with them. And nvidia in some respects are not much better.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Is it hard to ignore the Doom III performance? Not really, most people hate the game and do not play it. Doom III banchmarks remind me of Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness benchmarks. WTF cares? Are there any games coming out on the Doom III engine? Seems to me opengl is near dead in the gaming world and id might not be around much longer if they keep pumping out rehashed garbage. If this card really is going to be $300, it will own that market segment unless Nvidia drops there price of the 6800GT. Too bad all these cards are not AGP too.

You know T33 you really touch on what is really the big issue. Most of the market is still AGP and will be for quite some time. It is almost baffling to see them only making pci express cards. Anybody who just bought or built a new pc in the last couple of years are almost certainly using agp. I don't understand it.

 

[jck8r]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Is it hard to ignore the Doom III performance? Not really, most people hate the game and do not play it. Doom III banchmarks remind me of Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness benchmarks. WTF cares? Are there any games coming out on the Doom III engine? Seems to me opengl is near dead in the gaming world and id might not be around much longer if they keep pumping out rehashed garbage. If this card really is going to be $300, it will own that market segment unless Nvidia drops there price of the 6800GT. Too bad all these cards are not AGP too.

Good call. Good Read. Made me laugh.

 

[jck8r]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Todd33
Is it hard to ignore the Doom III performance? Not really, most people hate the game and do not play it. Doom III banchmarks remind me of Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness benchmarks. WTF cares? Are there any games coming out on the Doom III engine? Seems to me opengl is near dead in the gaming world and id might not be around much longer if they keep pumping out rehashed garbage. If this card really is going to be $300, it will own that market segment unless Nvidia drops there price of the 6800GT. Too bad all these cards are not AGP too.

You know T33 you really touch on what is really the big issue. Most of the market is still AGP and will be for quite some time. It is almost baffling to see them only making pci express cards. Anybody who just bought or built a new pc in the last couple of years are almost certainly using agp. I don't understand it.

Yes, and they have to be losing money by doing this..I don't understand what the hold up is with flooding the market with products that are always out of stock, keep the pci-e under wraps..maybe perfect it, work out some driver nonsense, then release it in 6 months is my vote. It's a conspiracy for all of us to have to buy new chipsets...corporate bastards!

 

[WuGahCha]

so the card is SUGGESTED to sell at $300, who knows how much it would be really, and if u'll find it at all for the next couple weeks

I did happen to see one online for a little over $500cdn ($400 usd ish) which is about same price as 6800GT

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: jck8r

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Todd33
Is it hard to ignore the Doom III performance? Not really, most people hate the game and do not play it. Doom III banchmarks remind me of Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness benchmarks. WTF cares? Are there any games coming out on the Doom III engine? Seems to me opengl is near dead in the gaming world and id might not be around much longer if they keep pumping out rehashed garbage. If this card really is going to be $300, it will own that market segment unless Nvidia drops there price of the 6800GT. Too bad all these cards are not AGP too.

You know T33 you really touch on what is really the big issue. Most of the market is still AGP and will be for quite some time. It is almost baffling to see them only making pci express cards. Anybody who just bought or built a new pc in the last couple of years are almost certainly using agp. I don't understand it.

Yes, and they have to be losing money by doing this..I don't understand what the hold up is with flooding the market with products that are always out of stock, keep the pci-e under wraps..maybe perfect it, work out some driver nonsense, then release it in 6 months is my vote. It's a conspiracy for all of us to have to buy new chipsets...corporate bastards!

"conspiracy" now that's beautiful.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: WuGahCha
so the card is SUGGESTED to sell at $300, who knows how much it would be really, and if u'll find it at all for the next couple weeks

I did happen to see one online for a little over $500cdn ($400 usd ish) which is about same price as 6800GT

The Canadian dollar went up now, so I think X800XL will be around $370 cdn.

 

[Bateluer]

Intel said they wanted to transition to PCIe to be quick, unlike the transition from ISA/EISA to PCI. This may be painful in the short term, but I'd rather see the only PCIe cards and PCIe only chipsets than hybrids. By 2Q 05, there should be few AGP boards selling. A good thing, IMO.

 

[Todd33]

I want an AGP/PCIe motherboard. That would be cool.

 

[WuGahCha]

its true that cdn dollar is stronger than 1/2 yr ago, but that doesnt seem to affect our prices in CDN dollars.

for example, bestbuy in usa sells 193P for 700 bucks, bestbuy.ca sells it for 1000!!!!!

I gotta cross the boarder and smuggle me some parts next time

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel said they wanted to transition to PCIe to be quick, unlike the transition from ISA/EISA to PCI. This may be painful in the short term, but I'd rather see the only PCIe cards and PCIe only chipsets than hybrids. By 2Q 05, there should be few AGP boards selling. A good thing, IMO.

Selling? How about how many agp boards that have been sold? I bet for every PCIe system there are 20 or more agp systems. And this is a much different situation than the ISA/PCI changeover. Most of the agp systems are new, not old. Your talking about systems with up to 5 years of very very useful life left. Also couple the fact that many of your top of line systems bought that are AMD based over the last couple years are agp as well. Like DDR2, PCIe is a technology that is 2-3 years away from full fruition. Intel has lost touch with the pc community, so anything they say right now is worth a grain of salt.

 

[Todd33]

The AGP market is much larger for upgrade-often dorks like us, but that is small change compared to PCIe market in new computers. Dell, Alienware, HP, etc. I still don't see why one card maker cannot just release the new X800 cards in AGP to fill a niche. There is demand, but no supply...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Todd33
The AGP market is much larger for upgrade-often dorks like us, but that is small change compared to PCIe market in new computers. Dell, Alienware, HP, etc. I still don't see why one card maker cannot just release the new X800 cards in AGP to fill a niche. There is demand, but no supply...

They're trying to force on us all the clear spec of the future, either upgrade your motherboard or just deal with it.

I'm glad they aren't supplying AGP parts for these new products because if they appeased all the AGP users PCIe would be delayed a good year or 2 more. If there is such a demand people will upgrade their systems to PCIe and then grab a new PCIe video card. If not they'll have to wait it out.

 

[Tab]

If they got it out before the holiday season it'd sell like hot cakes. I'd be buying one along with a Dell 2005 WFP. The only thing that really disappointed me was the horrible NFS2:UG Performence. I don't care about Doom III the game is still playable a average of 50 Frames Per Second.

 

[scooter1]

Originally posted by: Todd33
The AGP market is much larger for upgrade-often dorks like us, but that is small change compared to PCIe market in new computers. Dell, Alienware, HP, etc. I still don't see why one card maker cannot just release the new X800 cards in AGP to fill a niche. There is demand, but no supply...

Why can't someone like Asus make an AGP card based on the 800XL's R430 chip? I thought the AGP/PCIe interface was built into the video card's other circuitry instead of the chip.

 

[ponyo]

I don't think this lack of AGP is that big of a deal. People who buy these top of the line graphics cards are very small minority. This small minority usually spends the money to get the latest hardware and most of it is going PCI-E route on the new motherboard.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Tabb
If they got it out before the holiday season it'd sell like hot cakes. I'd be buying one along with a Dell 2005 WFP. The only thing that really disappointed me was the horrible NFS2:UG Performence. I don't care about Doom III the game is still playable a average of 50 Frames Per Second.

What? The XL is faster than the GT in NFS2: UG. 34v21 in Anands tests.

 

[slash196]

IF Ati can get this card out on time (and on-price), and IF nvidia can't get their GT PCIe prices under control, then the X800XL will definitely be replacing the 6800GT in my system build. Those are both big ifs, though.

 

[ponyo]

These cards will be perfect in the non SLI NF4 motherboards SiS and ECS is supposed to release. These motherboard shouldn't cost more than $60-80 and should complement this X800XL card very well. SLI people can buy 2x 6800GT PICe.

 

[static1117]

Hey all- I dont really post on here much, but I read from the forums everyday...anyway.
I think that while the push toward PCI-X is a good push, denying a proven market accessability to video cards or whatever is a big mistake. Sure ATI has the x800 pro, but why wouldnt they want to jump at the chance to dethrone the 6800gt? I am really looking hard at upgrading to a 6800gt, but given the chance, I would strongly consider the x800xl because of its price/performance ratio and I have been really happy with my 9800 pro this past year.
However you see this the fact remains that there are people like myself who are not going to upgrade their mobo/cpu/ram in the near future, but wish to enjoy some of the benefits of high end gaming. I think that continued support, albeit a limited supply, of agp based graphics cards will both benefit the consumer and the company in the long run. As it stands now, my money is going to go to nVidia BECAUSE they still are supporting AGP and have promised to do so through 2005.

sorry for the rant just my opinion

Josh