Anand's FEAR Article Up

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Um, read my posts WITHOUT your bias. I'm not saying that didnt optimize it for the GF7 rather that they optimized it for all cards including GF6. Get it?

ROFL, calm the hell down man. The way you worded your earlier post didnt convey that at all. It sounded like you were saying there was no improvement on the GF7 from the demo to the retail product.

Agreed, and thank you for noticing that as well.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Um, read my posts WITHOUT your bias. I'm not saying that didnt optimize it for the GF7 rather that they optimized it for all cards including GF6. Get it?

ROFL, calm the hell down man. The way you worded your earlier post didnt convey that at all. It sounded like you were saying there was no improvement on the GF7 from the demo to the retail product.

Yeah I missed "only" in my post. Still does not mean people should start attacking my post.

"People who said FEAR would be optimised only for the Geforce7, admit your mistake. (OUCH) "

 

[smaky]

driverheaven sucks. there is no way x850pe scores same as 6800 ultra SLI?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Um, read my posts WITHOUT your bias. I'm not saying that didnt optimize it for the GF7 rather that they optimized it for all cards including GF6. Get it?

ROFL, calm the hell down man. The way you worded your earlier post didnt convey that at all. It sounded like you were saying there was no improvement on the GF7 from the demo to the retail product.

Yeah I missed "only" in my post. Still does not mean people should start attacking my post.

"People who said FEAR would be optimised only for the Geforce7, admit your mistake. (OUCH) "

Nobody attacked you. But you sure as hell attacked me by claiming that I cannot read without bias didn't you.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Nobody attacked you. But you sure as hell attacked me by claiming that I cannot read without bias didn't you.

Yeah you didnt:
"I think someone else needs to admit their mistake, and it's not those people you are referring to in the other thread."

Is one benchmark missing in AT article ? One with soft shadows + AA/AF ?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Nobody attacked you. But you sure as hell attacked me by claiming that I cannot read without bias didn't you.

Yeah you didnt:
"I think someone else needs to admit their mistake, and it's not those people you are referring to in the other thread."

Is one benchmark missing in AT article ? One with soft shadows + AA/AF ?

Like I said. Nobody attacked you.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Dingo, as always you turn this into a flamefest. It's obvious that early benchmarks were not indicative of the true performance of the nVidia cards because they no longer lag behind their equivalent ATi rivals. Is that clear enough? What part of actually reading the article and discussing it did you miss?

Back on subject, I think they chose not to do Soft Shadows + AA/AF because there was no point. Only the GTX and XT can put out AA/AF at playable rates at 800x600 and barely playable at 1024x768; tack on Soft Shadows which adds a ~40% drop in performance and I doubt either card could put out a clean 60 FPS at 800x600. It just doesn't make any sense to try both: it will likely be 2 generations of hardware before we can really push AA/AF + SS in FEAR (or 1 generation + dual GPU). At any rate, as I said before, I doubt many people will be using AA/AF in FEAR this generation, because you typically don't want to run a 600 dollar GPU at 10x7. And the SLi/XFire guys will likely be running at higher resolutions (19x12) so they won't have it on either.

 

[Genx87]

Keys: Dont feel bad I didnt get where he was going either. I thought he must have meant to say "wouldnt be optimized". But then he came back and repeated the exact same thing and I was like "huh"?

 

[MedicalEntropy]

driverheaven sucks. there is no way x850pe scores same as 6800 ultra SLI?

Yes... it can.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not too shabby for the 7800GTX.

It looks like this game just kills today hardware. And if you want good AA and AF you should plan on playing at 1600X1200.

Not at all. I think this shows that nVidia's 7800GTX is still king of the hill. I was rather surprised by how close the 7800GT was as well. With a little overclocking of a budget GT card you can get very near GTX frame rates for less money. It also tells us that anyone even considering the X1800XL ought not to, given its rather lackadaisical performance and high price point.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If anyone has a comparable system to mine with the exception of an X800XTPE instead of a 6800GT, I would be happy to compare benchmarks with you.

P4 2.66/533
1GB PC3200 (DC)
ASUS P4P800
WD 160GB

isnt the x850xtpe the best?? im looking to upgrade my 9800pro and im confused on what to get. its either gonna be that or a 6800gt.

 

[Kogan]

It actually looks like bamacre was were dead-on

Check out these fear benchmarks:

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-2661-x-x-x&body_pagenum=3

The x850xt is about 10% faster than the 6800gt in fear.

 

[Avalon]

Looks like the game still runs like ass on everything. Keep in mind Anand's benches will be better than what you'll see, since they disabled sound (who would do that in a game anyway? I don't even really care if it's to strictly compare GPUs, IMO disabling sound in a game benchmark is stupid). I'm going to pick a copy up and see if my 6600 near GT speeds can run the game at 800x600 (doh!)

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: Avalon
Looks like the game still runs like ass on everything. Keep in mind Anand's benches will be better than what you'll see, since they disabled sound (who would do that in a game anyway? I don't even really care if it's to strictly compare GPUs, IMO disabling sound in a game benchmark is stupid). I'm going to pick a copy up and see if my 6600 near GT speeds can run the game at 800x600 (doh!)

it will. its playable at 800x600 on my 9800. its almost playable at 1024x768.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: Avalon
Looks like the game still runs like ass on everything. Keep in mind Anand's benches will be better than what you'll see, since they disabled sound (who would do that in a game anyway? I don't even really care if it's to strictly compare GPUs, IMO disabling sound in a game benchmark is stupid). I'm going to pick a copy up and see if my 6600 near GT speeds can run the game at 800x600 (doh!)

it will. its playable at 800x600 on my 9800. its almost playable at 1024x768.

That's good to hear. How are you liking the game so far?

*Edit* Can't spell today

 

[Kogan]

Enabling/disabling sound on my system gave absolutely no difference in FPS - and that's with onboard sound I disabled all sound options through the external fear configuration utility.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: Avalon
Looks like the game still runs like ass on everything. Keep in mind Anand's benches will be better than what you'll see, since they disabled sound (who would do that in a game anyway? I don't even really care if it's to strictly compare GPUs, IMO disabling sound in a game benchmark is stupid). I'm going to pick a copy up and see if my 6600 near GT speeds can run the game at 800x600 (doh!)

it will. its playable at 800x600 on my 9800. its almost playable at 1024x768.

That's good to hear. How are you liking the game so far?

*Edit* Can't spell today

im loving it. more so than q4 and im a long time quake person. the single player is just more fun. i havnt got in any mp games yet tho.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Avalon
Looks like the game still runs like ass on everything. Keep in mind Anand's benches will be better than what you'll see, since they disabled sound (who would do that in a game anyway? I don't even really care if it's to strictly compare GPUs, IMO disabling sound in a game benchmark is stupid). I'm going to pick a copy up and see if my 6600 near GT speeds can run the game at 800x600 (doh!)

I'll buy this game on my way home and check it out, tried to pick it up Tuesday, but the lines at Best Buy were moving waaaaaay too slow. (left it on the shelf)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Um, read my posts WITHOUT your bias. I'm not saying that didnt optimize it for the GF7 rather that they optimized it for all cards including GF6. Get it?

ROFL, calm the hell down man. The way you worded your earlier post didnt convey that at all. It sounded like you were saying there was no improvement on the GF7 from the demo to the retail product.

Yeah I missed "only" in my post. Still does not mean people should start attacking my post.

"People who said FEAR would be optimised only for the Geforce7, admit your mistake. (OUCH) "

Errr, what thread?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Didn't see another thread (in Video at least) concerning this, so here you go.

I honestly expected a little better lead from the x1800XT considering the beta results, but it looks as if the GTX really hadn't had any optimizations at all. Either way, all of them get pretty beat up at 16x12 AA/AF, and I think to run a 2405 you are pretty much required to have SLI (although they didn't test that, I'm just estimating).

Discuss.

the article didn't mention whether it used the game executable (v1.1 readme stated performance improvements), so i am assuming not?

also seemed reviewer took a few jabs at ati...

on another interesting note... i find it strange that my 6800gt performs WORSE overclocked than at std clocks

running 1024x768 everything max quality with the exception of med textures (i'm thinking a limitation of 256mb mem?), 2xaa4xaf.

std clocks (370/1ghz) followed by oc (410/1.2ghz)

min fps: 15, 23
avg fps: 26, 38
max fps: 66, 79

% below 25fps: 57, 5
% 25-40fps: 32, 62
% above 40 fps: 11, 33

any ideas?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Actually, I have been playing at 1280x1024 with 2xAA 8xAF Soft Shadows ON Volumetric Lights ON and everything set to maximum that can be set to maximum.

softshadows does not work with fsaa on....

 

[StrangerGuy]

I can see that the retail version is more optimised than the demo, but a single 7800GTX pumping out only 56 FPS @ 1024x768 with 4xAA/8xAF is still really bad IMO, considering that it is the fastest card that you can buy. Increase the res further to 1600x1200 (AA and AF on) not even a single card can make the game playable. How ridiculous.

 

[Wreckage]

Ouch. The huge performance gain ATI was bragging about with the demo has all but disappeared.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 50% performance lead the XT had over the GTX no longer exists according to AT's article correct? How in the world do you think that the final release of FEAR has not been optimised for the 7800GTX? XT and GTX are now neck and neck. You don't see the improvement? I think someone else needs to admit their mistake, and it's not those people you are referring to in the other thread.

Um, read my posts WITHOUT your bias. I'm not saying that didnt optimize it for the GF7 rather that they optimized it for all cards including GF6. Get it?

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Unless I am misunderstanding you.

Isnt that always the case?

so you're saying ppl were stating that it would be optimized for 7xxx ONLY and no other nv cards would benefit? that's about stupid (either the statements or the interpretation, i'm not sure which), as it shares similar architecture with 6xxx parts...

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Nobody attacked you. But you sure as hell attacked me by claiming that I cannot read without bias didn't you.

Yeah you didnt:
"I think someone else needs to admit their mistake, and it's not those people you are referring to in the other thread."

Is one benchmark missing in AT article ? One with soft shadows + AA/AF ?

the article stated ss and aa would not work at the same time...