Anandtech article up on 512GTX

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Two things I would like added in the review. If they would use a card at 490/1.3 such as the eVGA's and others, so people can see if the extra cost is worth it, or not. They are about $200 cheaper right now. The second thing is image quality comparisons. I have no idea why these are not added, seems like the review was rushed.

My thoughts exactly... I'd like to see that too, I forgot to mention it....

 

[BFG10K]

I'm getting a similar impression from the reviews which is promising, but some hard dB numbers would still be nice. We'll see how we go.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Two things I would like added in the review. If they would use a card at 490/1.3 such as the eVGA's and others, so people can see if the extra cost is worth it, or not. They are about $200 cheaper right now.

Well, Derek did such a comparision by downclocking it to 430/1200. I'd doubt we'll get any different results at 490/1300.

The extra 256MB helps significantly in COD2 and to some extent in DOD:S. The price premium for this card is the 1.1ns memory (512megs of it), cherry-picked/refined core and the cooling solution.

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The second thing is image quality comparisons. I have no idea why these are not added, seems like the review was rushed.

Nvidia hasnt added any new IQ features, so it should be the same as the 256MB GTX.

 

[Polish3d]

If they ever decide to drop this to 649 or below I'll go for it as long as its within 4 weeks or so of release

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Rollo and I have 4 words to say. Take them for what they're worth.

"We told you so"

We already know ATi is going to counter, as they've authorized a core/mem bump on their cards, but for the numbers we're talking about, they're going to need more than a 25MHz bump here and a 25MHz bump there. It's not going to cut it.

4 more words for you, actually.

"nVidia isn't done yet"

Don't think for one second this is all they've got.

LOL

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

I personally can't wait till the X1800XTPE comes out. ATI is still gonna lose and the PE will cost just as much as the 7800 512. Then where will the faATIcs retreat to?

The implication is that you would like to see ATI fail. Plus you somehow know exactly what a card that doesn't even exist yet will cost. I'm all for having a sensible discussion about these cards if you want, but that is NOT the way to do it.

I don't mind watching ATI take it on the chin a while:
A. It's defenders are pretty self righteous
B. Failure spurs them to make better stuff, in the end, we all win!

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ronin
Rollo and I have 4 words to say. Take them for what they're worth.

"We told you so"

We already know ATi is going to counter, as they've authorized a core/mem bump on their cards, but for the numbers we're talking about, they're going to need more than a 25MHz bump here and a 25MHz bump there. It's not going to cut it.

4 more words for you, actually.

"nVidia isn't done yet"

Don't think for one second this is all they've got.

90nm

Geforce 7200, Geforce 7600, Geforce 7800 Ultra / Geforce 7900 series.

When ?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ronin
Rollo and I have 4 words to say. Take them for what they're worth.

"We told you so"

We already know ATi is going to counter, as they've authorized a core/mem bump on their cards, but for the numbers we're talking about, they're going to need more than a 25MHz bump here and a 25MHz bump there. It's not going to cut it.

4 more words for you, actually.

"nVidia isn't done yet"

Don't think for one second this is all they've got.

90nm

Geforce 7200, Geforce 7600, Geforce 7800 Ultra / Geforce 7900 series.

When ?

I'm willing to bet around February/March -06. Because that is probably when ATI will get their R580 to market. This will be a 90nm 32 pipe 10 vertex shader and 16 "Super ROP's", and oh yeah, Low-K. This is just what I have heard. Lemme get you the linky. BRB.

EDIT: Ok, here it is. A good read. Towards the end, the author mentions possible specs for 90nm 7800/7900.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: Rollo
B. Failure spurs them to make better stuff, in the end, we all win!

Major QFT

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I'm getting a similar impression from the reviews which is promising, but some hard dB numbers would still be nice. We'll see how we go.

Guru3D is reporting 46dB, although it isn't great its acceptable

 

[Cookie Monster]

That rumour was from penstar i think.

Its in the news section in ATs home site.

Anyways, they also mention HDR+AA, FX series style AF (aka color wheel or angle independent AF), and this is gonig to be NVs first 90nm low k product.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I'm getting a similar impression from the reviews which is promising, but some hard dB numbers would still be nice.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDEx

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1131492082JqTATvC5ZP_11_2.gif

What this means is that this cooler?s loudest level is still only about as loud as the BFGTech GeForce 7800 GTX OC and Radeon X1800 XT?s FIRST level. The first and second fan speed level of the 512 MB GeForce 7800 GTX is actually more quiet than the GeForce 7800 GTX cooler and the Radeon X1800 XT cooler. Wow.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The GTX-512 core is the same as the 256 core. Thats why a lot of them are available, there is no difference AFAIK (just cherry picked cores from day 1).

If you want to talk architecture then please PM me (dont want to derail the thread here) and no the R520 isn't an overclocked R300/420.

I would advise anyone wanting to talk architecture to post a seperate thread. With the amount of BS I've seen coming from this new poster you are going to want to make certain it has a chance to be openly laughed at by others who can then explain it.

 

[Ronin]

I already responded to that with a copy/paste from D's review of the card.

 

[BFG10K]

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDEx

Thanks, I saw that earlier. It looks like this card could be my next upgrade as it appears to be even quieter than a 7800 GTX but it's a lot faster.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: nts

I very highly doubt that there will be an R520PE edition, simply because it isn't needed. The next chip will most likely be the R580, the refresh for the R520.

Refresh of R580? R580 is designed by a different design ATI team and we don't know anything about the marchitecture and specs of this gpu. All we have is speculation? Is it gonna be 16pipes/4quads or 24pipes/6quads? What clock/mem speeds? How on earth do you reach the conclusion that r580 is a refresh of R520?

We will have to wait for the Inquirer to tell us that info....and then ofcourse change it 3 to 4 times before finally getting the number right....

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Matthias99

I personally can't wait till the X1800XTPE comes out. ATI is still gonna lose and the PE will cost just as much as the 7800 512. Then where will the faATIcs retreat to?

The implication is that you would like to see ATI fail. Plus you somehow know exactly what a card that doesn't even exist yet will cost. I'm all for having a sensible discussion about these cards if you want, but that is NOT the way to do it.

I don't mind watching ATI take it on the chin a while:
A. It's defenders are pretty self righteous

Not too much offense taken... I think. I hope we can discuss video cards without having to call each other names (ie, 'fanATIc'/'nVidiot') or resorting to FUD (ie, 'even if ATI comes out with a faster card, it'll still suck').

Matt2: :beer:. Please try to choose your words a little more carefully in the future. If you were trying to be funny, it didn't come across that way to me.

B. Failure spurs them to make better stuff, in the end, we all win!

Competition ftw.

ATI says they've sorted out their 90nm manufacturing problems, so hopefully things will start to turn around in terms of availability and pricing. X1800XLs have already started to come down in price, which is an encouraging sign. If more X1800XTs start showing up this week (like several stores are saying they should), that will be another good sign.

I'm all for bashing a company when they do something incredibly stupid. Bashing ATI because of supply issues stemming directly from technical problems (which they say have already been resolved) is kind of pointless. It's not like they're purposefully doing this.

 

[kasparov]

remember you all; its not ati vs. nvidia. Its us vs. the consoles ;-)

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ronin
Rollo and I have 4 words to say. Take them for what they're worth.

"We told you so"

We already know ATi is going to counter, as they've authorized a core/mem bump on their cards, but for the numbers we're talking about, they're going to need more than a 25MHz bump here and a 25MHz bump there. It's not going to cut it.

4 more words for you, actually.

"nVidia isn't done yet"

Don't think for one second this is all they've got.

90nm

Geforce 7200, Geforce 7600, Geforce 7800 Ultra / Geforce 7900 series.

When ?

I'm willing to bet around February/March -06. Because that is probably when ATI will get their R580 to market. This will be a 90nm 32 pipe 10 vertex shader and 16 "Super ROP's", and oh yeah, Low-K. This is just what I have heard. Lemme get you the linky. BRB.

EDIT: Ok, here it is. A good read. Towards the end, the author mentions possible specs for 90nm 7800/7900.

The 7200/7600 are closer than that, the high end will probably wait for R580.

You can almost bet on a "C51 style" motherboard with a 7000 series IGP.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Ronin
The GTX-512 core is the same as the 256 core. Thats why a lot of them are available, there is no difference AFAIK (just cherry picked cores from day 1).

there's a contraction in what you state:

There are a few key changes from the original 7800 GTX silicon that allow the 7800 GTX 512 to perform so highly. The 7800 GTX 512 still uses a 110nm process like the original 7800 GTX, but NVIDIA has tuned their fab process to speed up key data paths in the chip. These enhancements, while not altering the feature set in anyway, allow the chip to reach clock speeds of 550MHz (which is 120MHz faster than the original 7800 GTX).

that sounds to me it's a respun/refabbed chip, not "cherry picked cores from day 1"of the original gtx?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Ronin
The GTX-512 core is the same as the 256 core. Thats why a lot of them are available, there is no difference AFAIK (just cherry picked cores from day 1).

there's a contraction in what you state:

There are a few key changes from the original 7800 GTX silicon that allow the 7800 GTX 512 to perform so highly. The 7800 GTX 512 still uses a 110nm process like the original 7800 GTX, but NVIDIA has tuned their fab process to speed up key data paths in the chip. These enhancements, while not altering the feature set in anyway, allow the chip to reach clock speeds of 550MHz (which is 120MHz faster than the original 7800 GTX).

that sounds to me it's a respun/refabbed chip, not "cherry picked cores from day 1"of the original gtx?

People who remove the HSF are claiming august fab dates.

 

[hytek369]

too bad my wallet is too thin for this

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Ronin
The GTX-512 core is the same as the 256 core. Thats why a lot of them are available, there is no difference AFAIK (just cherry picked cores from day 1).

there's a contraction in what you state:

There are a few key changes from the original 7800 GTX silicon that allow the 7800 GTX 512 to perform so highly. The 7800 GTX 512 still uses a 110nm process like the original 7800 GTX, but NVIDIA has tuned their fab process to speed up key data paths in the chip. These enhancements, while not altering the feature set in anyway, allow the chip to reach clock speeds of 550MHz (which is 120MHz faster than the original 7800 GTX).

that sounds to me it's a respun/refabbed chip, not "cherry picked cores from day 1"of the original gtx?

My quote is from Anandtech. Would you like to refute the original article writer about it?