I was about to say - those AMD APU laptops have pathetic battery life. Have battery life tests been done on Jaguar laptops? All indications I've seen show 4 hours or so. Not impressive, unless I have bad information. If anyone can clarify real world battery life on the Jaguar, please do so.
Bay Trail should do better than the original Atom - which had great battery life but terrible performance. I expect good things here in that respect. I also don't see DRAM as an issue since these are aimed to tablet SKUs, with many of them running Android.
The original Atom achieved 7+ hours fairly easily and that was on a dated lithography process. I highly doubt battery life will be an area in which Bay Trail disappoints..
Personally, this (battery life) is what excites me the most. I love the fact that an iPad basically lasts forever on a charge, and i'm waiting for something other than the macbook air to deliver similar results. Hopefully Bay Trail will be that product.
platform power is kinda high but power consumption is decent with temash/kabini
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V5-122P-61454G50NSS-Notebook.93321.0.html [9W idle 18W under load][note: this is temash on an 11: screen]
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V5-122P-61454G50NSS-Notebook.93321.0.html [10W idle 19W under load][this is kabini with a larger display]
I think the power usage is good just not quite optimized.
both the mba and ipad have pretty large batteries. the ipad 4 has a 43Whr and the mba has something like 53Whr. Also they only seem to have decent longetivity under very light loads, like web browsing. Put them under load like gaming and they will not last much longer than any ol' windows laptops.
How the hell does this thing use 23W at load? The 2012 MBA only uses 21W while running Cinebench with Ivy Bridge.
Are you telling me that this Temash laptop uses more power than an i3? What has Acer done to cause this.
Under load, power draw increases, of course. The peak value is reached at 31.6 Watts. Here, Windows power consumption, at 46.2 Watts, is considerably above the native OS. In comparison to the MacBook 11 from 2011, this test shows a difference of roughly 42%.
Who the heck games on a portable ultrabook or tablet on a battery charge? A very serious question, not joking. I don't know whether you're referring to lightweight games like Angry Birds or full fledged windows gaming. If the former, that is a non issue as it doesn't affect battery life. If the latter, gaming is by far my last consideration - if I wanted a gaming portable I would get a full size laptop, NOT an ultrabook. Big difference - full size laptops are a million times better for any type of (demanding) gaming, I would never consider an ultrabook for that task. I also would NOT play a demanding Windows game on a battery charge, that sounds extremely stupid to be honest. I do however consider battery life of utmost importance for doing productivity tasks, which is why that (battery life) is worth a premium to me. Unfortunately, AMDs APUs haven't impressed in this respect at all. They're great for HTPCs but not very good for long battery life. And gaming isn't a consideration in either case.
Folks are buying the macbook air in droves because it's a well engineered machine with an enormous amount (12+ hours) of battery life. Gaming is not a consideration in this - most of these people are doing school work, real work, and doing light browsing / media consumption on the side. They're certainly not playing crysis 3, a full laptop is better suited in that case. If not a desktop. Gaming is not why people buy these machines. If you want gaming you look at a full size hulking 15 pound monstrosity laptop - not a 2 pound super thin ultrabook. Come on.
That makes sense. Looks like Silvermont will be mainly used for tablets, because of it's low power consumption.Some of the Bay Trail stuff coming: http://www.zauba.com/import-ftxi02w0000026-hs-code.html
3x Acer tablets, 2x Samsung tablets, ASUS tablet (T100TA), Dell tablet, Dell laptop, ASUS laptop (X451MA).
That makes sense. Looks like Silvermont will be mainly used for tablets, because of it's low power consumption.
Kabini/Temash is mainly used in cheap laptops, where performance is more important than battery life. So, the main competition to Kabini is from i3 core/Haswell Celeron, not silvermont.
Yes, for netbooks maybe, but for regular laptops there is a minimium amount of performance that is aceptable.silvermont has a range of products it could fit in, not just tablets. Remember that there are 10W skus branded pentium and celeron using silvermont cores. kabini/temash has competiton from below[silvermont] and above[ivb/haswell celerons and pentiums]. The only saving grace for amd solution is price and gpu performance.
Yes, for netbooks maybe, but for regular laptops there is a minimium amount of performance that is aceptable.
Yes, for netbooks maybe, but for regular laptops there is a minimium amount of performance that is aceptable.
I think CPU enthusiasts need to understand what acceptable performance is for the average user. This bench guesstimates the performance at around a penryn 2 ghz processor. I'm currently using a 2.2 ghz penryn now. If this is around that performance, and this is the TABLET processor, then I'm sure the mobile BayTrail processor will handle Windows easily.
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I think Intel could screw itself pretty bad if this performance of the BayTrail T being aroudn penryn speeds is true. Because then BayTrail M is probably faster and even better comparing to penryn. It's also supposed to be cheaper than Haswell. So people may opt to use BayTrail over Haswell for cheap 300-500 laptops which would mean less money for intel. This rush to the bottom is hurting intel. I wanted to invest in them but the profit margins seem to be closing in on them.
Not necessarily, turbo can work on all cores for short amounts of time.
Looks good. I'm not really concerned too much GPU wise. Even the strongest kabini variants can barely game (and mostly at something like 768 x 1024 at 20-30 fps avg, which really isn't enjoyable). Bay Trail won't have the GPU power but for office tasks/ video playback it should be fine.
IMO AMD's problem with Trinity/Richland and Kabini is that they are in the black hole between having an IGP good for basic use/flash facebook games/video playback/etc. and actually being strong enough for gaming (mobile is barely better than intel but gets clobbered CPU wise, desktop a 760k + 7750 is way better for gaming).