[Anandtech] Discrete Q2 GPU Marketshare - AMD rises to 30%

[kawi6rr]

AMD gained market share = Fact
AMD put out mid to low end cards = Fact

Not saying that's the only reason for the market share increase but facts are facts.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Fact 3: they would have gained even more market share if they had been able to put out cards to compete with 1070 and 1080, *as well as* low/mid range cards.

 

[master_shake_]

Fact 3: they would have gained even more market share if they had been able to put out cards to compete with 1070 and 1080, *as well as* low/mid range cards.

i bet they wouldn't have.

if they put out something to compete with the 10xx cards at a lower price nvidia may have lowered their prices and that would have made people who were interested in the AMD card buy the nvidia card.

itt most people only want amd to do good so nvidia competes with them and makes their product cheaper.

 

[Bacon1]

i bet they wouldn't have.

if they put out something to compete with the 10xx cards at a lower price nvidia may have lowered their prices and that would have made people who were interested in the AMD card buy the nvidia card.

itt most people only want amd to do good so nvidia competes with them and makes their product cheaper.

Exactly. AMD has competed with Nvidia with the 290x -> 390x vs the 980, yet people overwhelming bought the 980 instead. Same deal with the 970 vs 290/390. The people threadcrapping are those who wouldn't buy AMD even if it was cheaper, faster used less power and cooked them bacon for breakfast each morning.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I love paying more than before for parts, don't know about you!

I guess thats the difference between you and me. I like performance parts, you like mainstream parts and below

So exactly what they said they would do with Polaris.

Yes, its really great. Giving up completely in the performance segment including VR. And focusinf on segments in free fall. Thats the spirit!

Source?

AMDs Q2 financials.

Those all go against what you are saying.

In what way. Did you actually read your quote?

 

[Glo.]

http://radeon.com/en-us/1-year-of-perfecting-pixels/

AMD is touting something that might happen on 16th Sep. or later.

It's time to aim for the stars. Again!
And if you think our first 12 months was exciting, wait until you see what RTG has lined up for the future.

Vega announcement incoming.

 

[railven]

http://radeon.com/en-us/1-year-of-perfecting-pixels/

AMD is touting something that might happen on 16th Sep. or later.

It's time to aim for the stars. Again!
And if you think our first 12 months was exciting, wait until you see what RTG has lined up for the future.

Vega announcement incoming.

My guess is software update. They haven't had a performance driver in a bit and a few high profile games out that can benefit from it.

Some marketing slathered on a "Never Settle" like driver boost and you got yourself back in the headlines/gamer's mind.

 

[zinfamous]

My guess is software update. They haven't had a performance driver in a bit and a few high profile games out that can benefit from it.

Some marketing slathered on a "Never Settle" like driver boost and you got yourself back in the headlines/gamer's mind.

I suspect the same. Vega looks more realistic for Q2 2017 at this point, so I doubt they would release any significant details this far ahead of release.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a release schedule for Zen, though.

EDIT: oh, that's a Radeon page, so I guess it is only GPU news.

 

[Glo.]

Vega has 2 GPUs in stack. Vega 10 and Vega 11.

One of them is slated for 1H 2017. The enthusiast one. High-End one can be released much earlier.

This is Radeon page. AMD is touting upcoming GPUs. Not software related news.

 

[96Firebird]

http://radeon.com/en-us/1-year-of-perfecting-pixels/

AMD is touting something that might happen on 16th Sep. or later.

It's time to aim for the stars. Again!
And if you think our first 12 months was exciting, wait until you see what RTG has lined up for the future.

Vega announcement incoming.

I'm not seeing anything on that page that suggests any sort of announcement coming up...

 

[Glo.]

I'm not seeing anything on that page that suggests any sort of announcement coming up...

Polaris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_star
Vega: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega

Quote from that site: It's time to aim for the stars. Again!

 

[guskline]

VR info I bet. Raja has been pushing VR.
Vega is coming out next year. Relax.

 

[guskline]

I guess thats the difference between you and me. I like performance parts, you like mainstream parts and below

ShintaiDK, I like both performance and mid range cards depending on the build. I have both of my chief gaming rigs below using Nvidia GTX 1080 and Nvidia GTX 980 TI gpus BUT I just built a 3rd rig using an Asus Maximus Hero z170 chipset, 6700k OCd to 4.6ghz via a Corsair H110i GT cooler 16 G DDR4 ram at a stable OC of 2933 AND a reference RX 480. I was able to get it at retail here in the US for $239. Guess what? It is an OUTSTANDING mid range card for a 1920x1080 rig with a very good future. I played Doom and BF1 beta and the performance at 1920x1080 was fine.

It so impressed me that when I decided to build a 4th rig for my daughter and son-in-law I bought them a RX 460 video card ( they are not gamers). Great price ($139 for 4g Sapphire Nitro OC) and it performs very well. Plus it is on a new architecture with hopefully a decent future.

This post is NOT to bash Nvidia but to recognize that AMD's efforts to "re-engage" in the mid to lower end market, competitively affected me to buy these card instead of Nvidia cards at similar prices.

At the performance end Nvidia really rules, especially at higher resolutions so far. We shall see how and if Vega can get AMD "back in the game" on the top end next year.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Exactly. AMD has competed with Nvidia with the 290x -> 390x vs the 980, yet people overwhelming bought the 980 instead. Same deal with the 970 vs 290/390. The people threadcrapping are those who wouldn't buy AMD even if it was cheaper, faster used less power and cooked them bacon for breakfast each morning.

That math simply does not add up, either from a unit sales or (especially) a dollar sales point of view. Even if they got 20% or even 10% of two markets in which they now have no competitor, that *would* increase overall market share.

BTW I have an AMD gpu, so yes, I *would* and in fact did buy an AMD gpu when if offered the best combination of features that I was looking for. In fact, if I were to buy a card right now, it probably would be a 470. But that still does not change the fact that there is a huge weakness in AMD's lineup, has been for several months, and will continue for several months more.

 

[96Firebird]

Polaris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_star
Vega: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega

Quote from that site: It's time to aim for the stars. Again!

Sorry, my monitor isn't wide enough to see that stretch.

 

[master_shake_]

Exactly. AMD has competed with Nvidia with the 290x -> 390x vs the 980, yet people overwhelming bought the 980 instead. Same deal with the 970 vs 290/390. The people threadcrapping are those who wouldn't buy AMD even if it was cheaper, faster used less power and cooked them bacon for breakfast each morning.

you know what kills me?

when the 290x was released it was out classed by a 780ti now 3 years later the 980 is is getting beat by the same card rebranded as a 390x.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/26.html

well at 1440p and 4k. but still.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Giving up completely in the performance segment

They told everyone about going bottom - top... Vega is indeed late but Polaris is doing it's job for now.

It's a positive to get market share, you can spin till you drop and that will still be a positive.

 

[kawi6rr]

They told everyone about going bottom - top... Vega is indeed late but Polaris is doing it's job for now.

It's a positive to get market share, you can spin till you drop and that will still be a positive.

This is exactly what AMD stated but certain people can't see it through their green goggles.

 

[Bacon1]

They told everyone about going bottom - top... Vega is indeed late but Polaris is doing it's job for now.

It's a positive to get market share, you can spin till you drop and that will still be a positive.

I dunno if Vega is even late, was it ever showed as being a 2016 product? All the slides I remember seeing had it in 2017 timeline.

 

[Madpacket]

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[Madpacket]

I'm more put off by no freesync and them wanting to put game ready drivers behind their stupid gfe bloatware with mandatory login.

But I doubt most people are that well informed, I'd say the main thing is the 480 and 470 are good cards for the price and the new cards are pretty scarce so everything that gets made gets sold.

Don't forgot terrible DPC latency issues as well. As an owner of both a 970 and 1070 the 1070 even with the DPC "fixed" drivers is terrible. Glad I bought this card mainly for mining and Netflix because as a gaming card it doesn't feel like an upgrade. I should have stayed away and listened to my own advice. Shame on me.

 

[Bacon1]

I guess thats the

difference between you and me. I like performance parts, you like mainstream parts and below

I've always bought 2nd from top tier part actually. 8800 gts 640, 4?? GTX, 6950, 290, Fury.

Yes, its really great. Giving up completely in the performance segment including VR. And focusinf on segments in free fall. Thats the spirit!

Funny the 970 was the most successful video card ever, but now that segment is freefall once AMD focuses on it... and consumers are too, hence the lowered GPU sales for Nvidia.

AMDs Q2 financials.

Try specifics, or a quote?

In what way. Did you actually read your quote?

Yes I even bolded all the important parts for you. Did you read it?

Here is the quote again, which completely contradicts your "low end only".

“Our strong second quarter graphics performance was capped by the launch of our new Polaris-based RX 480 GPUs at the end of June, which helped contribute to our highest desktop channel GPU shipments since the fourth quarter of 2014,” said Lisa Su, chief executive officer of AMD, during the conference call with investors and financial analysts. “We also delivered our third straight quarter of sequential professional graphics revenue growth and believe we gained share driven by increased adoption of FirePro graphics by OEMs as well as several cloud data center GPU compute wins.”

 

[kawi6rr]

Fact 3: they would have gained even more market share if they had been able to put out cards to compete with 1070 and 1080, *as well as* low/mid range cards.

Fact 4: AMD said they were starting with mid to low end cards because they sell more of these cards and that's exactly what they did. Yes they would have gained more market share had they put out high end cards too but they didn't. And by doing what they said they were going to do seems to have paid off.

 

[Elixer]

Speaking of market share, seems AMD completely sold out of Polaris...

Polaris products which are ramping nicely again, we've actually sold out, in the beginning it was not a supply constraint, it was frankly sold out based on demand we've now responded to that, we've got Polaris restocked.

In other words, they were NOT expecting to be sold out so fast?
I am not sure I follow that logic, they themselves said they are going after the 'mainstream' first with lower priced cards, so, someone really dropped the ball here, maybe not specifically AMD, since they only make the chip, they need orders from OEMs/ AiBs... and they didn't see this avalanche coming?

VEGA is on track as we said for first half of '17 to attack in that high-end of the market, in that highly performance enthusiast end of the market.

AFAIK, they always said in 2017, so, nothing really new here.

No, you'll see yet again significant performance per watt changes of improvement, now that's what we will have, we have shown a long range roadmap for our Radeon graphics products and at each generation we will significantly improve the performance per watt.

I wonder what he deems as 'significant'?

You can read some more tidbits from here https://app.scoutfin.com/document.h...82d012fd2&_branch_match_id=304838427547912617

 

[tajoh111]

AMD gained market share = Fact
AMD put out mid to low end cards = Fact

Not saying that's the only reason for the market share increase but facts are facts.

Rx 480 was released too late to have a large impact on marketshare. Just 4 days short of q3.

In addition the potential for sales during this period was low because of the heavily saturated market.

Maxwell had been available for over 2 years and Fiji just was a disappointment and has too high of a price to cause a swing in marketshare. The rest of AMD lineup was rebrands which is not going to cause a change in marketshare.

What more than likely happened was during the q1 and q2, Etherium mining took off. This provided a new market for AMD. Which provided new revenue growth outside the traditional desktop market. This is reflected by steam hardware survey.

Although good for the short term is bad in the long run. This is because if mining ends, used cards flood the market and AMD is stuck RMA a bunch of overworked cards.