No but it is Valve's fault if their profits suffer due to them not doing everything in their power to make sure that ALL major chipsets play the game properly. If my family's welfare depended on the sales of that game I'd make damn sure that it ran fvcking great on the FX chipset. But that's common sense that is lost on so many.Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
To be honest, not optimizing a game for Nvidia cards is plain stupdi, no matter what you think of the company and its optimizing tactics. The fact is the majority of gamers use some variant of Nvidia cards, and to design a game that runs poorly on them is a huge error.
It's not Valve's fault that NVIDIA hardware is sucking it up
They did their best tp get around a nVida hardware limitation:Originally posted by: Megatomic
No but it is Valve's fault if their profits suffer due to them not doing everything in their power to make sure that ALL major chipsets play the game properly. If my family's welfare depended on the sales of that game I'd make damn sure that it ran fvcking great on the FX chipset. But that's common sense that is lost on so many.Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
To be honest, not optimizing a game for Nvidia cards is plain stupdi, no matter what you think of the company and its optimizing tactics. The fact is the majority of gamers use some variant of Nvidia cards, and to design a game that runs poorly on them is a huge error.
It's not Valve's fault that NVIDIA hardware is sucking it up
nVidia should have put more effort into a proper DX9 feature set instead of trying to push CG. Can anyone say "Glide 2"?? HL2 will not be the only DX9 game that wont run well on nV hardware. How is that Valves fault?Half-Life 2 has a special NV3x codepath that was necessary to make NVIDIA's architecture perform reasonably under the game;
Seems like Valve did tryOriginally posted by: Sudheer Anne
To be honest, not optimizing a game for Nvidia cards is plain stupdi, no matter what you think of the company and its optimizing tactics. The fact is the majority of gamers use some variant of Nvidia cards, and to design a game that runs poorly on them is a huge error,
NVidia says new det 50 drivers will improve performance. Lets hope this is true.Optimization Investment
? 5X as much time optimizing NV3X path as we?ve spent optimizing generic DX9 path
? Our customers have a lot of NVIDIA hardware
? We were surprised by the discrepancy
? ATI hardware didn?t need it
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Despite my criticism for Valve's halfassed, yes halfassed, attempt to make the FX chipset work with their game, I'm really glad to see that my Radeon 9600 Pro is going to play that game so well. I will be buying myself a copy of that game first chance I get.
GamersDepot:
Gabe: Valve and NVIDIA both know that we have a lot of shared customers, and we've invested a lot more time optimizing that rendering path to ensure the best experience for the most customers.
ExtremeTech:
This mode also does some shader processing using texture fetches and blending rather than calculate the final pixel color using a shader program. In some cases, Valve engineers wound up restructuring shader code in order to get it to run faster. Here are the results for nVidia GPUs using this mode:
Firingsquad:
Optimization Investment
? 5X as much time optimizing NV3X path as we?ve spent optimizing generic DX9 path
? Our customers have a lot of NVIDIA hardware
? We were surprised by the discrepancy
? ATI hardware didn?t need it
Given the extreme amount of work Valve went through to get the NV3x codepath working efficiently, it find it strange that you call there work "half-assed."Originally posted by: Megatomic
Yeah, I had already read all those things you had linked. I'm not saying Valve didn't try and I'm certainly not saying it's their fault that NV dropped the ball here. I just get the feeling that this is a game of tit for tat.
Originally posted by: Tabb
If it'll run @ 1024x768 on a R8500 I will be extremely happy
Originally posted by: Bonesdad
Where can I pick up a 9700 Pro these days??? Newegg seems to be out of them...
Given the nature of the business we're discussing, I find it strange that you believe their claims. The PC hardware/gaming/benchmarking industry is full of liars and cheaters.Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Given the extreme amount of work Valve went through to get the NV3x codepath working efficiently, it find it strange that you call there work "half-assed."
Sorta like these peopleOriginally posted by: Megatomic
Given the nature of the business we're discussing, I find it strange that you believe their claims. The PC hardware/gaming/benchmarking industry is full of liars and cheaters.Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Given the extreme amount of work Valve went through to get the NV3x codepath working efficiently, it find it strange that you call there work "half-assed."
Exactly. They all do it though, only a fool would think otherwise. But yes, that is precisely what I meant.Originally posted by: NFS4
Sorta like these peopleOriginally posted by: Megatomic
Given the nature of the business we're discussing, I find it strange that you believe their claims. The PC hardware/gaming/benchmarking industry is full of liars and cheaters.Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Given the extreme amount of work Valve went through to get the NV3x codepath working efficiently, it find it strange that you call there work "half-assed."