Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Doom3 works best on NV and ATI works best on HL2.You'll see my own numbers tomorrow night at midnight, but we've been given the go ahead to reveal a bit of information about Half-Life 2. I'll keep it brief and to the point and will explain it in greater detail tomorrow night:
- Valve is pissed at all of the benchmarking "optimizations" they've seen in the hardware community;
- Half-Life 2 has a special NV3x codepath that was necessary to make NVIDIA's architecture perform reasonably under the game;
- Valve recommends running geforce fx 5200 and 5600 cards in dx8 mode in order to get playable frame rates.
- even with the special NV3x codepath, ATI is the clear performance leader under Half-Life 2 with the Radeon 9800 Pro hitting around 60 fps at 10x7. The 5900 ultra is noticeably slower with the special codepath and is horrendously slower under the default dx9 codepath;
- the Radeon 9600 Pro performs very well - it is a good competitor of the 5900 ultra;
- ATI didn't need these special optimizations to perform well and Valve insists that they have not optimized the game specifically for any vendor.
There you have it folks, there's much more coming tomorrow.
Originally posted by: rbV5
10x7@60FPS sounds bad to me.
Originally posted by: OddTSi
Haven't we all already seen that nVidia's NV3x are a) not completely DX9 compatible because of not using floating point shaders (or something to that effect) and b) that they have poor Pixel Shader 2.0 performance (possibly because of 'a') in DX9 benchmarks.
Also, let's not forget that I believe when Doom3 was coming out that one of the game programmers (John Carmack?) said that using the default rendering path ATi's cards performed their best, whereas with the nVidia cards they got poor performance using anything but nVidia's proprietary rendering path.
So why is anyone doubting the validity of Valve's claim that they had to use a "special" path to get nVidia cards to perform half-way decent?
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude. HL was based on Quake technology.
Quake = OGL
Quake != DX
Quake1 doesn't even work with OpenGL. The only GL mode that Quake1 supports is 3dfx Glide's GL mode. If you try to run GLQuake with OpenGL and not Glide, it tells you it can't find the drivers.
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: rbV5
10x7@60FPS sounds bad to me.
uh...not when you have as much going on with a DX9 game as HL2 does
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: rbV5
10x7@60FPS sounds bad to me.
uh...not when you have as much going on with a DX9 game as HL2 does
Dude, 10 pixels by 7 pixels is pretty awful... That had better be some freakin' amazing pixel shading if those 70 pixels are all I have to entertain me...
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: rbV5
10x7@60FPS sounds bad to me.
uh...not when you have as much going on with a DX9 game as HL2 does
Dude, 10 pixels by 7 pixels is pretty awful... That had better be some freakin' amazing pixel shading if those 70 pixels are all I have to entertain me...
again shadows, pixel shaders, dynamic lighting, the CPU is loaded with AI processing, massive amounts of vertex shaders, not to mention the high polygon count
Sure it will. Thats what the 10x7 resolution is forOriginally posted by: mechBgon
Sounds like my rustic old GeForce2 GTS-V ain't gonna cut it.
Originally posted by: lameaway
Sure it will. Thats what the 10x7 resolution is forOriginally posted by: mechBgon
Sounds like my rustic old GeForce2 GTS-V ain't gonna cut it.
Maybe I can knock the color depth down to 1-bit monochrome *watches pixel on screen flash black & white*Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: lameaway
Sure it will. Thats what the 10x7 resolution is forOriginally posted by: mechBgon
Sounds like my rustic old GeForce2 GTS-V ain't gonna cut it.
Knock it down to 4x3 for awesome fps!!
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Nebor
BTW, Detonator 50.00 could fix everything.
Some are praying...
Sorry, but I think the problems are hardware specific.
It's kinda funny, none of this deters me from buying a FX5900... Still the card of my dreams.
Originally posted by: MaDDaWg1018
hmmm...i currently have a Geforce 3 Ti200, and I'm considering upgrading in the near future (probably when doom 3 and half life 2 come out, which is probably Q1 of 2004...HOPEFULLY). my first ATI card was a Rage IIc, for which they had horribly poor support. so i vowed never to buy an ATI product again. since then, i've purchased a geforce 1, geforce 2 gts, and a geforce 3 ti200, and i'm in the market to buy another one soon. however, reading all these posts, it seems that ATI has gotten a lot better, and seems to have the edge over Nvidia at this point. im THINKING that i'll get a 9600 pro, but thats yet to be decided.
funny how the market can change so quickly. who knows...maybe in a few months, nvidia will be back on top again...
Originally posted by: MaDDaWg1018
hmmm...i currently have a Geforce 3 Ti200, and I'm considering upgrading in the near future (probably when doom 3 and half life 2 come out, which is probably Q1 of 2004...HOPEFULLY). my first ATI card was a Rage IIc, for which they had horribly poor support. so i vowed never to buy an ATI product again. since then, i've purchased a geforce 1, geforce 2 gts, and a geforce 3 ti200, and i'm in the market to buy another one soon. however, reading all these posts, it seems that ATI has gotten a lot better, and seems to have the edge over Nvidia at this point. im THINKING that i'll get a 9600 pro, but thats yet to be decided.
funny how the market can change so quickly. who knows...maybe in a few months, nvidia will be back on top again...
but remember guys, take into consideration the fact of how long each of these have been out. the 5900 ultra JUST came out...the 9800 pro has been available for a lil bit longer...and ATI seems to have more refined drivers for their cards at this point, so by the time Doom 3 or HL2 or whatever comes out (in several months im presuming), nvidia will probably come out with updated drivers that may significantly increase performance on their new cards, and very possibly, outperform the ATI cards. the 5900's seem to have MUCH potential...just look at the hardware stats, compared to the 9800's.
so PRESENTLY, ati has the upper hand...but that can change in the blink of an eye.
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
What part about the fact that nVIDIA's 5x00 line has a hardware issue do people not understand when they go about tootin' that it'll all be good with driver fixes :|
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
What part about the fact that nVIDIA's 5x00 line has a hardware issue do people not understand when they go about tootin' that it'll all be good with driver fixes :|