Anandtech Haswell review is up!

[Vesku]

Wonder why they didn't increase base clocks 100-200MHz from IB? Almost too hot as is for stock cooler (not wanting to include a slightly better cooler)? Lack of competition from AMD?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wonder why they didn't increase base clocks 100-200MHz from IB? Almost too hot as is for stock cooler (not wanting to include a slightly better cooler)? Lack of competition from AMD?

Or yield in the desired power envelope. People dont want more power hungry chips.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Or yield in the desired power envelope. People dont want more power hungry chips.

Says who? ^^

 

[Vesku]

I'm dubious of how much influence on purchasing a few extra Watts would be, especially if it meant a speed bump for non-k i5s and i7s.

 

[SPBHM]

any GT1 tests available?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Says who? ^^

The wast majority of consumers and OEMs.

If you want 150W TDP chips, you can get a 3970X.

 

[Lepton87]

I didn't expect much from people that intentionally left a gap between IHS and the cpu die in IB in terms of thermals. Just maybe it run too cool and they had to even the keel with IB so they increased the gap. Someone should delid it and measure the gap already those reviewers don't do anything interesting or useful iGpu effectively acts as a dark silicon when not in use and it LOWERS the CPU temp because power density decreases. The cache has a similar effect because it does not use much power compared to the rest of the CPU. It's going to be more interesting how hot it runs in a laptop and how much of an improvement those new sleep states really bring. I don't expect huge improvements on the order of 40% increased battery life like some people do, it's still 22nm and from what I know the exact same process.

 

[Vesku]

The wast majority of consumers and OEMs.

If you want 150W TDP chips, you can get a 3970X.

Are you implying my question about why not a +100 or 200 MHz base clock bump would result in a 150W TDP?

For example entry level quad core IB was 3.0GHz, seems that Haswell will also be 3.0GHz. Would 3.1 or 3.2GHz explode the TDP?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Are you implying my question about why not a +100 or 200 MHz base clock bump would result in a 150W TDP?

For example entry level quad core IB was 3.0GHz, seems that Haswell will also be 3.0GHz. Would 3.1 or 3.2GHz explode the TDP?

Just look at the turboboost modes. 4/3/2/2. or the 3960X to 3970X raised the TDP 20W to gain 100Mhz.

 

[Borealis7]

anyone de-lid a Haswell yet?

 

[NTMBK]

Has anyone seen a review of that i7-4770R yet? I'm very curious about how Iris will do with unleashed TDP- and how the CPU does, actually. I have a suspicion that a 3.2GHz clock speed combined with that massive L4 cache will beat the 4770K in some benchmarks. The mobile GT3e (47W part) already beats it in a handful:

NOTE: This benchmark is performing OpenCL rendering on the CPU, not on the integrated graphics.

 

[Lepton87]

NTBK I'm curious about that as well, Intel should have released an unlocked LGA CPU with eDRAM. But maybe it would be more expensive then their 6cores CPUs and that's why we won't see such a CPU

 

[R0H1T]

NTBK I'm curious about that as well, Intel should have released an unlocked LGA CPU with eDRAM. But maybe it would be more expensive then their 6cores CPUs and that's why we won't see such a CPU

Probably because it'll kill any of the other K SKU's & potentially even IVB-E with that eDRAM

 

[Chiropteran]

You are basing this on the "old Intel" and their lack of interests in IGP performance....not the "new Intel" were IGP's matter...right?

Uh, we can't see the future. Historically, Intel IGP drivers have been utter garbage. My old Dell Intel-based netbook had beta drivers for Vista (I bought it after Vista was available) and NEVER had real support for Windows 7. Using the Vista drivers resulted in occasional blue screen crashes. Intel's driver support has been abysmal. Maybe it will change in the future, just like maybe bulldozer will offer amazing performance in the future for games written to use 8 cores. Or we can look at what we do know, which is past performance, in which Intel gets an F- for video drivers.

Or yield in the desired power envelope. People dont want more power hungry chips.

I love how in the jaguar thread all you could talk about is the performance, and in this thread all you do is focus on power consumption.

Power consumption is the most important thing in the world for you, right up until AMD is a clear winner, in which case it becomes worthless.

For me, on a desktop, power consumption is a minimal concern. I've done the math before. 100W saved equates to a few dollars a month. As long as Intel CPU carry the price premiums they do, the electricity savings will not cover the cost difference in the useful lifetime of the CPU. I'll happily use a less efficient CPU that has better price/performance ratios.

 

[galego]

It seems all Gygabyte haswell laptops use Nvidia discrete graphics.

But the interesting part is that Nvidia claims "to have grabbed 95 percent of all Haswell design wins"

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31566-gigabyte-rolls-out-temash-tablet

Does this means that only a 10% of haswell lappies will use the iGPU?

 

[Lepton87]

Probably because it'll kill any of the other K SKU's & potentially even IVB-E with that eDRAM

I also think that the reason for that is that they don't want to cannibalize their own enthusiast platform. Still, it's a shame that we can't have haswell in its full glory just like SB-E.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It seems all Gygabyte haswell laptops use Nvidia discrete graphics.

But the interesting part is that Nvidia claims "to have grabbed 95 percent of all Haswell design wins"

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31566-gigabyte-rolls-out-temash-tablet

Does this means that only a 10% of haswell lappies will use the iGPU?

No, it however means that AMD is close to non exsistant in the discrete mobile GPU segment.

 

[Chiropteran]

No, it however means that AMD is close to non exsistant in the discrete mobile GPU segment.

What is your point exactly? Intel actually is non-existent in that that "segment".

Why are so many haswell laptops using discrete GPU instead of the IGP? Do the laptop manufacturers feel that the IGP is insufficient? It sure sounds like it.

 

[Abwx]

It seems all Gygabyte haswell laptops use Nvidia discrete graphics.

But the interesting part is that Nvidia claims "to have grabbed 95 percent of all Haswell design wins"

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31566-gigabyte-rolls-out-temash-tablet

Does this means that only a 10% of haswell lappies will use the iGPU?

That means that there is some dirty strategy underway ,
Nvidia mobile offering has no perfs advantage over radeons
and is surely much worse in perf/price ratio so such a ratio
is statistically impossible in a fair concurrence environment.

 

[ShintaiDK]

What is your point exactly? Intel actually is non-existent in that that "segment".

Why are so many haswell laptops using discrete GPU instead of the IGP? Do the laptop manufacturers feel that the IGP is insufficient? It sure sounds like it.

As far as I read it, and the volume of discrete mobile GPUs shipped. It should be pretty obvious that this is only about those Haswell designs that uses a discrete GPU.

 

[notty22]

Q&A: Why Gamers Still Need a Discrete GPU with Haswell

How will Haswell affect your discrete GPU notebook business?
Haas: Haswell is a great CPU, and that actually helps us. We have a much higher market share on Intel platforms versus that of AMD, so to the extent Haswell is successful competing with AMD, we’ll do well. We had a record number of design wins with Ivy Bridge, and I expect we’ll have at least as many designs with Haswell. In fact we have over 95% of the gaming notebooks this refresh, so things are starting off great.

Which PC OEMs will be offering Haswell notebooks with discrete GPUs?
Haas: Every major PC OEM will be offering notebooks with Haswell and discrete NVIDIA GPUs.
Most laptops I see in Best Buy have integrated graphics. What does that say about GPU adoption?
Haas: It’s important to keep in mind that U.S. buying habits are quite different from those in other countries. Among major markets, the U.S. has just about the very lowest percentage of notebooks sold with GPUs. If you look at the other top markets — China, Germany, and Russia — you see a dramatically higher percentage of notebooks with GPUs than in the U.S. This trend has been very consistent over the past several years.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What is your point exactly? Intel actually is non-existent in that that "segment".

Why are so many haswell laptops using discrete GPU instead of the IGP? Do the laptop manufacturers feel that the IGP is insufficient? It sure sounds like it.

lol wow, disengage defensive mode!


The point was already presented, the point is nvidia is claiming to have won 95% of the dGPU market, the remaining 5% most likely goes to AMD and the vast majority of the market (low end/cost) will run iGPU's from Intel and AMD.

 

[mrmt]

The point was already presented, the point is nvidia is claiming to have won 95% of the dGPU market, the remaining 5% most likely goes to AMD and the vast majority of the market (low end/cost) will run iGPU's from Intel and AMD.

How long until we start to see form factors where you cannot put a dGPU there?

 

[Kallogan]

Nvidia is [wetting] their pants and in deep denial. APUs are the future. Amd has one big coming, intel too. Not them.

No profanity in the tech forums, please
-ViRGE

 

[boxleitnerb]

Nvidia is [wetting] their pants and in deep denial. APUs are the future. Amd has one big coming, intel too. Not them.

No.
APUs also are power and die size constrained. No APU can reach performance levels of discrete GPUs like GK106 or GK104 unless the APUs increase die size and TDP considerably, too. As long as dGPUs have larger die size and TDP budgets, they will remain considerably faster.