Anandtech Haswell review is up!

[mrmt]

Every mainstream console from ~Dec 2013 onward for the next 5 years? AMD's market share is going to be larger than Intel's, as far as gaming.

Intel sells more chips in six months than the number of ps3 and xbox for their entire life span combined.

 

[erunion]

So what !
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35078243&postcount=1
Didn't you say something similar about OpenCL

Stop painting the same doomsday scenario over & over again !

what are you trying to prove with those charts?Did you not notice that they are all "lower is better", ie intel's opencl performance is better?

 

[galego]

Thus, Intel claims the future is mobile and optimizes Haswell for mobile up to the point of desktops such as the 4770k being a step backward over 3770k: 8% gain performance, but above 10% more power consumption, poor OC, and higher temps.

And then 95% of OEMs will ignore the iGPU and will be releasing lappies with Nvidia dGPUs.

 

[R0H1T]

what are you trying to prove with those charts?Did you not notice that they are all "lower is better", ie intel's opencl performance is better?

Didn't you read the line above that ~

Didn't you say something similar about OpenCL

IIRC the poster I replied to(maybe someone else :\) said that OpenCL isn't going to catch on & that Intel ain't gonna support it anyway ! Fast forward 2013 & here you have OpenCL based apps that do appreciably better through IGP than even Intel's very own superior CPU, also if you've failed to notice I'll make the point very clear ~

AMD's OpenCL gains, even on a VLIW4 based IGP, are spectacular as compared to their CPU performance so you can imagine what GCN/HSA can do to aid their cause !

 

[erunion]

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And then 95% of OEMs will ignore the iGPU and will be releasing lappies with Nvidia dGPUs.

you have sunk to a new low of reading comprehension fails. 95% of discrete cards will be Nvidia, not 95% of computers will have a discrete card. See the difference?

 

[Chiropteran]

Intel sells more chips in six months than the number of ps3 and xbox for their entire life span combined.

You ignored the key word, gaming. Games are not optimized for terrible IGP based budget business/home use computers, which is where Intel gets it's bulk of business. Intel's market share of viable gaming machines is rapidly shrinking.

 

[galego]

Intel sells more chips in six months than the number of ps3 and xbox for their entire life span combined.

He said gaming.

That means that there is some dirty strategy underway ,
Nvidia mobile offering has no perfs advantage over radeons
and is surely much worse in perf/price ratio so such a ratio
is statistically impossible in a fair concurrence environment.

I don't know. Maybe or maybe AMD is not interested in powering laptops with Haswell. AMD has just won the 2013 Best Choice award at Computex with its new APU for tablets and ultrabooks

 

[ShintaiDK]

You ignored the key word, gaming. Games are not optimized for terrible IGP based budget business/home use computers, which is where Intel gets it's bulk of business. Intel's market share of viable gaming machines is rapidly shrinking.

Its the other way around. Console gaming is shrinking. PC gaming is expanding.

Lets see how many nextgen consoles that actually will sell. The Wii U already flopped.

You see, the console segment is getting rather small. More profit to get with PC.

And console gaming revenue is shrinking fast:
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=478009a6-cdf7-4707-800f-80ddf837ced0

 

[galego]

you have sunk to a new low of reading comprehension fails. 95% of discrete cards will be Nvidia, not 95% of computers will have a discrete card. See the difference?

From this same thread (bold emphasis added):

Which PC OEMs will be offering Haswell notebooks with discrete GPUs?
Haas: Every major PC OEM will be offering notebooks with Haswell and discrete NVIDIA GPUs.

Most laptops I see in Best Buy have integrated graphics. What does that say about GPU adoption?
Haas: It’s important to keep in mind that U.S. buying habits are quite different from those in other countries. Among major markets, the U.S. has just about the very lowest percentage of notebooks sold with GPUs. If you look at the other top markets — China, Germany, and Russia — you see a dramatically higher percentage of notebooks with GPUs than in the U.S. This trend has been very consistent over the past several years.

 

[qliveur]

LOL @ all the whining by ignorant morons people who haven't been paying attention for the last 4.5 years.

"Oh noes! Haswell only has almost exactly the same IPC increase as the two previous tocks! I think I'll slit my wrists!"

 

[felang]

Thus, Intel claims the future is mobile and optimizes Haswell for mobile up to the point of desktops such as the 4770k being a step backward over 3770k: 8% gain performance, but above 10% more power consumption, poor OC, and higher temps.

And then 95% of OEMs will ignore the iGPU and will be releasing lappies with Nvidia dGPUs.

Really??? 95% of laptops will have discreet GPU?? You are quite mistaken, improving Intel embedded graphics will only diminish the need for OEMs´to buy expensive GPU´s from Nvidia or AMD for that matter.

 

[mrmt]

He said gaming.

Yes, gaming. PC gaming is bigger than any console will ever be, and guess what, most of those gaming PCs are Intel PCs. The fact that Intel iGPU can now run 3D games at reasonable settings will only improve things there.

I don't know. Maybe or maybe AMD is not interested in powering laptops with Haswell. AMD has just won the 2013 Best Choice award at Computex with its new APU for tablets and ultrabooks

That was funny. A company that is pretty much priced for liquidation is refusing to sell something? Nice.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Uh, we can't see the future. Historically, Intel IGP drivers have been utter garbage.

Gotcha...stuck in past, not updating...have fun being stuck there.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Fixed that for you :biggrin:

Ummmm...... if apus are such a huge selling point, why is AMDs market share so small then? APUs are best suited for mobile, where AMDs igpu performance is weakest, and a yawner for desktops where intel or amd gpus are adequate for normal use, and useful for gaming only for those who want to game, but not in current games at high quality and resolutions.

I actually see the PS4 and xbox wins also as a potential negative for APUs. Yes they will have some synergic benefits, but the quality of graphics from the consoles will far surpass what any apu will be able to do.

 

[LogOver]

Intel's market share of viable gaming machines is rapidly shrinking.

According to Steam survey Intel's graphics market share is growing every month.

 

[galego]

Its the other way around. Console gaming is shrinking. PC gaming is expanding.

Let us look at the typical game used in reviews: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. For each copy sold for PC more than 4 copies are sold for consoles (PS3 + Xbox 360)

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49111/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49112/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49113/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

And Microsoft predicts a 30% increase in console market

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...sole-generation-can-grow-market-by-30-percent

The fact that Intel iGPU can now run 3D games at reasonable settings will only improve things there.

That was funny. A company that is pretty much priced for liquidation is refusing to sell something? Nice.

What iGPU? That rejected by 95% of OEMs as noted by Nvidia?

What is really funny is that company has won the 2013 Best Choice award at Computex, instead Intel with its superb mega-wonderful Haswell.

 

[frozentundra123456]

He said gaming.



I don't know. Maybe or maybe AMD is not interested in powering laptops with Haswell. AMD has just won the 2013 Best Choice award at Computex with its new APU for tablets and ultrabooks

Or maybe nVidia has a much superior switchable graphics system, which is important in a laptop. I like AMD gpus for the desktop, in fact I have a HD7770, and am going to recommend a HD7850 to a friend who is planning a build for this summer.

I would be more reluctant to purchase AMD in a laptop unless it was significantly cheaper, because I am still not convinced their switchable graphics system is properly ironed out.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Let us look at the typical game used in reviews: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. For each copy sold for PC more than 4 copies are sold for consoles (PS3 + Xbox 360)

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49111/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49112/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49113/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

And Microsoft predicts a 30% increase in console market

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...sole-generation-can-grow-market-by-30-percent



What iGPU? That rejected by 95% of OEMs as noted by Nvidia?

It is one thing to misread something, although anyone not blinded by an agenda would understand what the sentence meant. It is even more absurd to keep using your own lack of comprehension to try to prove your point after the mis-intrepretaion has been pointed out to you.

 

[Enigmoid]

Or maybe nVidia has a much superior switchable graphics system, which is important in a laptop. I like AMD gpus for the desktop, in fact I have a HD7770, and am going to recommend a HD7850 to a friend who is planning a build for this summer.

I would be more reluctant to purchase AMD in a laptop unless it was significantly cheaper, because I am still not convinced their switchable graphics system is properly ironed out.

People make such as huge deal about switchable graphics but really any person who is the least tech savvy won't find any problems with it. Really easy;

1. Right Click on desktop, select option to 'configure switichable graphics'
2. Either change the mode to high performance when needed or leave on low /battery life and browse for the game exe and set to dgpu.

Big Whoop.

Never had a problem with it.

 

[galego]

It is one thing to misread something, although anyone not blinded by an agenda would understand what the sentence meant. It is even more absurd to keep using your own lack of comprehension to try to prove your point after the mis-intrepretaion has been pointed out to you.

I believed this was solved in #309

Which PC OEMs will be offering Haswell notebooks with discrete GPUs?
Haas: Every major PC OEM will be offering notebooks with Haswell and discrete NVIDIA GPUs.

 

[tential]

It is one thing to misread something, although anyone not blinded by an agenda would understand what the sentence meant. It is even more absurd to keep using your own lack of comprehension to try to prove your point after the mis-intrepretaion has been pointed out to you.

He's been trolling multiple areas of the forums. Just check his post history. Check his thread over in VCs where he is telling people the PS4 will be vastly superior to the PC.

 

[Bryf50]

Let us look at the typical game used in reviews: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. For each copy sold for PC more than 4 copies are sold for consoles (PS3 + Xbox 360)

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49111/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49112/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49113/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

And Microsoft predicts a 30% increase in console market

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...sole-generation-can-grow-market-by-30-percent



What iGPU? That rejected by 95% of OEMs as noted by Nvidia?

What is really funny is that company has won the 2013 Best Choice award at Computex, instead Intel with its superb mega-wonderful Haswell.

Come on, do people still need to be told that steam doesn't report sales numbers. And that VGChartz is useless for tracking PC game sales. Hell even VGChartz console sales are mostly made up unless the company reports numbers.

 

[insertcarehere]

People make such as huge deal about switchable graphics but really any person who is the least tech savvy won't find any problems with it. Really easy;

1. Right Click on desktop, select option to 'configure switichable graphics'
2. Either change the mode to high performance when needed or leave on low /battery life and browse for the game exe and set to dgpu.

Big Whoop.

Never had a problem with it.

I think it was the issue with enduro in the 7970m which caused gpu usage to drop that the original poster was referring to.

 

[galego]

Come on, do people still need to be told that steam doesn't report sales numbers. And that VGChartz is useless for tracking PC game sales. Hell even VGChartz console sales are mostly made up unless the company reports numbers.

Who ever mentioned Steam?

The recent 24% share for PC sales using VGChartz agrees with other figures. I dont care of the real figure is 32% or 18%. The point is that a typical 'PC game' such as skyrim sells much more copies for consoles.

And this an earlier interview with game director saying that 90% of their audience is console

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16252-bethesda-90-of-elder-scrolls-audience-on-consoles/

 

[CHADBOGA]

I believed this was solved in #309

No, you just made yourself look foolish.

I take it English is not your first language and that is why you have completely and utterly misunderstood the quote you keep thinking backs you up, but instead only shows how badly you have got it wrong.