APUs are best suited for mobile,
I guess you dont know that Intel's 90%+ of Desktop chips sold are APUs(CPU+iGPU), from Celerons all the way up to Core i7 4770K/R.
Wow, desktops have an igp??? I didn't know that at all.
Obviously the point was that a powerful igp is more beneficial in a laptop because of the power and thermal constraints, and the fact that you cannot add a discrete card easily.
How will Haswell affect your discrete GPU notebook business?
Haas: Haswell is a great CPU, and that actually helps us. We have a much higher market share on Intel platforms versus that of AMD, so to the extent Haswell is successful competing with AMD, we’ll do well. We had a record number of design wins with Ivy Bridge, and I expect we’ll have at least as many designs with Haswell. In fact we have over 95% of the gaming notebooks this refresh, so things are starting off great.
Intel says that GT3e will be as fast as a GeForce GT 650M. That sounds pretty competitive.
Haas: Their comparison is misleading on a number of fronts. First, they use synthetic benchmarks that they optimize for to compare performance. We prefer to use games to measure a GPU’s gaming performance, and optimizing for games requires a lot more effort. Second, GT 650M is a generation old GPU. GeForce GT 750M will double the performance of GT3E in games.
Third and perhaps more fundamentally, the GT3e product exists in the top tier of their CPU family. Similar CPUs, such as the i7-4880QM, have an average notebook price of nearly $3,000 according to the market research firm GFK. Notebook buyers can get much better performance at a significantly lower cost by selecting a GeForce notebook. OEMs don’t seem all that impressed with GT3e, as it’s power hungry and expensive. We expect only a tiny number of notebooks will come with GT3e.
Which PC OEMs will be offering Haswell notebooks with discrete GPUs?
Haas: Every major PC OEM will be offering notebooks with Haswell and discrete NVIDIA GPUs.
Most laptops I see in Best Buy have integrated graphics. What does that say about GPU adoption?
Haas: It’s important to keep in mind that U.S. buying habits are quite different from those in other countries. Among major markets, the U.S. has just about the very lowest percentage of notebooks sold with GPUs. If you look at the other top markets — China, Germany, and Russia — you see a dramatically higher percentage of notebooks with GPUs than in the U.S. This trend has been very consistent over the past several years.
From the same source used in #271. I am quoting the part in the middle which he did not quote in #271 (I underline the relevant parts):
Therefore if Haswell has failed to convince most OEMs. How do you wait will convince final users?
My question remains: Do only a 10% of haswell lappies will use the iGPU? A 18%? Your bet?
From the same source used in #271. I am quoting the part in the middle which he did not quote in #271 (I underline the relevant parts):
Therefore if Haswell has failed to convince most OEMs. How do you wait will convince final users?
My question remains: Do only a 10% of haswell lappies will use the iGPU? A 18%? Your bet?
How many GPUs does nVidia ship? How many laptops are sold?
I am sure you can see your flaw when you do the math. The only loser is AMD. Nobody wanted their GPUs.
Lets see the first 2 Dells:
No nVidia there. Guess Intels IGP must be good enough for Dell.
I'm fairly certain he was talking about the GT3e specifically. The point is that it won't do anything to displace Nvidia GPUs in its segment, and I think that's fair given the high price. Anand also touched on that.
And what about my question? Ignored again? LOLOEMs don’t seem all that impressed with GT3e, as it’s power hungry and expensive. We expect only a tiny number of notebooks will come with GT3e.
Therefore still trying to argue against stuff like
And what about my question. Ignored again?
If AMD can get critical mass & more importantly significant performance by leveraging HSA then you can bet APU's will eat low/mid range dGPU's for lunch, the higher end will remain untouched till you put out a 300W TDP APU.
Anyway, that brings me to my question! In Ganesh's look at the iGPU for HTPC purposes, he talks about QuickSync and how it isn't that good on Haswell compared to Ivy Bridge:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7007/intels-haswell-an-htpc-perspective/8
So, I guess I'm wondering... what's up, doc? Is this a software problem, so I could purchase now and expect it to be fixed later (not always the smartest play), or is this some hardware-related problem? From what it looks like, I'd still have a good boost just using x264 with the new AVX2 extensions, and better video quality.