I don't really care about that galego, AMD isn't a factor in my price range or for my needs.
If you want to start an Intel vs AMD war do it in another thread.
If you want to start an Intel vs AMD war do it in another thread.
Way to pull that one way out of left field.Do you believe that TR selecting the more power hungry (Asus) mobo for FX and the most power saving (MSI) mobo for i7 when compared the power consumptions of AMD vs Intel chips was... arbitrary? No.
A change in motherboard can give 20-30 W for the same chip same everything else.
Need bottom line answer to :
1) Whether non-K SKUs will support BCLK OCing (wording in AT review is a little vague)
2) Whether K SKUs will have TSX
Wonder if Intel raised the TDP more to save money by selling "leakier" parts for the 84W models.
Is it just me or do motherboards have a huge effect on power consumption?
Real world tests suggest a greater power delta, however. 7W TDP difference is rather misleading. Haswell isn't power efficient past certain Ghz level, at all.Applies all in partially loaded situations, and at same TDP, which isn't what a 84W 4770K is versus a 77W 3770K.
so whats next when it comes to desktop cpus? Ivy Bridge E? and then Steamroller?
Just noticed this excerpt from Xbitlabs :
"All crucial internal frequencies remain at their defaults in this case, but the x86 cores, the uncore part, the integrated graphics core and system memory get overclocked proportionally. It also means that even LGA1150 CPUs with locked multiplier can be overclocked, but only by 25% or 66% above the default frequency."
1: Quad core GT3(core i7 4770R) die size is enormous for a 22nm process, at 32nm it would be close to 400+mm2, much like an Okta-core 39xx SB-E. Since Intel will price the GT3 at $350-400 and make a nice profit keeping high margins, ill imagine they can do the same and introduce a nice 8-core 22nm die(250mm2 ???) and price a 6 core CPU at $300-350.The Crystalwell die measures 7mm x 12mm (84mm^2), while the quad-core Haswell + GT3 die is a whopping 264mm^2 (16.2mm x 16.3mm). Working backwards from the official data Intel provided (177mm^2 for quad-core GT2), I came up with an 87mm^2 adder for the extra hardware in Haswell GT3 vs. GT2. Doubling that 87mm^2 we get a rough idea of how big the full 40 EU Haswell GPU might be: 174mm^2. If my math is right, this means that in a quad-core Haswell GT3 die, around 65% of the die area is GPU. This is contrary to the ~33% in a quad-core Haswell GT2. I suspect a dual-core + GT3 design is at least half GPU.
Benchmarks are non neutral numbers...
When Intel agreed to help MS optimize Excel we can be sure
that the Intel devellopper put their opinion about the "best way"
to "optimize" this soft , so ultimately the rzesults are influenced
by the devellopper opinions , we are not in pure mathemlatics
where results are independant of humans wills...
What's with
the random line breaks?
I always picture
you composing your posts
under a cherry Tree wearing
victorian costume while wracked with
Consumption.
The content is usually
interesting but the
format is challenging.
i'm not sure that is a fair assessment, the amd a10-5800k(ddr3 2133) still beats the hd4600(with ddr3 2400), however crystalwell is an equalizer which does. Hypothetical, if the a10-5800k had as much bandwidth do you think gt3e would still beat? in any case it does and amd needs to step up their game...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/4
2: If the iGPU part of the Quad Core GT3 is 65% of the entire die, then the iGPU of the Dual Core will be even higher at 75-80% and not half(50%).
3: I believe it is time for AMD to release a mobile 300mm2 SR Quad Core, 768 GCN cores Kaveri 28nm at 55W TDP (+GDDR5) and sell it for $400. :sneaky:
One of the poster said it was surprising for Intel to surpass AMD on iGPU so quickly, its not surprising when they dedicate such massive die space for their iGPU, and on a node advantage.
But the fact is, if Iris Pro is ~165mm2 or so, that's within range of a decent dedicated GPU die, which it has no hope of matching.
All that adds to the $$.
Yes, just to show you how inefficient(performance per die size) the Intel Iris is, at almost the same die size of 160mm2, AMDs HD7790 (including 128bit memory controller) should be 50% faster or more at 28nm process.
How much power does the 7790 use again? 10W? Noo...it uses what? 85W TDP?
How much power HD7750 would use at 22nm TriGate ??
I wonder what you gonna promote next with BS to make Intel look bad and AMD look good...
Most likely around 50W.
Most likely around 50W.
Whats next? First it was 7790. Now its 7750? How far down are we gonna go? SPs are already reduced from 896 to 512...