AnandTech Ivy Bridge Performance Preview

[Makaveli]

ya I guess it would be pretty boring now wouldn't it.

 

[smakme7757]

I'd buy a ferrari if i could afford one, it might not be a good buy considering a Toyota Corolla would do the same job, but i'd be saying "STFU" to all the haters because they know they want one. If they didn't they wouldn't make a comment about it.

*Review*
Nice review, good numbers. I'll be sticking with my 2600k though. No need for me personally to upgrade as overclocking my current CPU would net me the same gains for free.

Looks like very nice chips, motherboards and features for new builders.

 

[krumme]

I don't recall how long its been . But AMD has been screaming fusion and in DX11 compute test . Even though only 1 test was run Intel IVB is 10% faster than LLANO. . Bur stilll pretty weak. Haswell should be special . Intel with haswell will likely pass AMD on graphics never to look back again.

Anands selected test, showing no resemblance to reality. And then the talk about how impressive the next generation is. Its the same story each time. Hopefully it will change

As impressive as the tick tock is, the gfx side is just plain and simple weak. It makes BD look like a lean speed monster. And we all noticed the gfx improvement wasnt the 50% Anand made us to beliewe beforehand. The efficiency gain wasnt there. I am starting to think driver software development is half the gfx work, and Intel simply doesnt have the organization here to do the work, like on the cpu compiler side.

This article gives me the same taste like the Intel ssd reviews. Its nice info, and nice to get it beforehand, but its bended - for good reasons - just to the edge for my eyes. Like fx. when Intel starts to exit the high-end ssd controller market the headline is "Intel brings realiability to Sandforce"

 

[krumme]

Does anyone know if Haswell is designed architechtual for the benefits of tri gate?
- I think we have just seen a minor part of the 22nm potential.

 

[Makaveli]

I'd buy a ferrari if i could afford one, it might not be a good buy considering a Toyota Corolla would do the same job, but i'd be saying "STFU" to all the haters because they know they want one. If they didn't they wouldn't make a comment about it.

*Review*
Nice review, good numbers. I'll be sticking with my 2600k though. No need for me personally to upgrade as overclocking my current CPU would net me the same gains for free.

Looks like very nice chips, motherboards and features for new builders.

i'm sorry but that is a horrible comparison.

I'm referring to a vs $300 processor vs a $1000 processor and same for the gpu.

A ferrari will cost you over 100k+ and a corolla maybe 10k and its a POS to begin with.

Most people that buy a ferrari buy it as a status symbol or to actually race with it.


What would you rather have a 400k house and a 50k car or a ferrari and live in a 1 bedroom apartment?

If you ask that to a highschool student they would most likely pic the ferrari ask that same question to an adult and they most like pick the more common sense one which would be the house.

But we are getting totally off topic lets focus on the Ivy bridge review.

 

[Edrick]

Does anyone know if Haswell is designed architechtual for the benefits of tri gate?
- I think we have just seen a minor part of the 22nm potential.

Why wouldn't it be? Most Tocks are designed to work on the mature process.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

YEEESS! In your face 2600K! Haha Sandy Bridge Fanboys, we beat you by sqrt(225)%! After spending months defending your stupid lame product, It got destroyed by.......100-85%!

Enjoy your HD3000 now, idiots.

 

[Joseph F]

YEEESS! In your face 2600K! Haha Sandy Bridge Fanboys, we beat you by sqrt(225)%! After spending months defending your stupid lame product, It got destroyed by.......100-85%!

Enjoy your HD3000 now, idiots.

Enjoy your sub-par CPU, lOl.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Enjoy your sub-par CPU, lOl.

In what way is my 3770K inferior to your SB? I posted benchies on the main AT page. Go writhe in the failure of your SB.

 

[Joseph F]

In what way is my 3770K inferior to your SB? I posted benchies on the main AT page. Go writhe in the failure of your SB.

I thought that you were talking about AMD Fusion for a second...

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

I thought that you were talking about AMD Fusion for a second...

Well..it was funny till it lasted.

But hey..on a more serious note...Is there anything to suggest a possible six-core LGA1155 cpu? It would be a very attractive upgrade to SB users.

Also about Supported DRAM voltage. Is it 1.5V/1.65V tops?

 

[Joseph F]

Well..it was funny till it lasted.

But hey..on a more serious note...Is there anything to suggest a possible six-core LGA1155 cpu? It would be a very attractive upgrade to SB users.

Also about Supported DRAM voltage. Is it 1.5V/1.65V tops?

I doubt that LGA1155 will have a 6-core CPU. The max RAM voltage will probably remain at 1.5V.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I doubt that LGA1155 will have a 6-core CPU. The max RAM voltage will probably remain at 1.5V.

That's really so sad. Intel introduced desktop quad-core CPUs at 65nm in 2007. Surely, by 22nm and 2012, it might be possible to squeeze another couple of cores in, don't you think?

 

[Idontcare]

That's really so sad. Intel introduced desktop quad-core CPUs at 65nm in 2007. Surely, by 22nm and 2012, it might be possible to squeeze another couple of cores in, don't you think?

2006 actually. I was at 4GHz and quadcore QX6700 in Nov 2006. Loved it compared to my 2.53GHz P4 it replaced. Now that was an upgrade

 

[VirtualLarry]

2006, even. How long did it take, from the introduction of the first desktop dual-cores, to the introduction of desktop quad-cores? Shouldn't we see a similar timeline for the introduction of desktop hex-cores, and then octo-cores?

Or am I wrong in ignoring Intel's splitting of their product lines into mainstream and enthusiast?

Was Q6600 enthusiast? Or mainstream?

If it was mainstream, then I stand by my theory that we should have seen mainstream hex- and octo-cores by now.

Although, AMD HAS done that. Performance-wise, they are still lagging though.

 

[Dadofamunky]

2006 actually. I was at 4GHz and quadcore QX6700 in Nov 2006. Loved it compared to my 2.53GHz P4 it replaced. Now that was an upgrade

OMG dinosaurs were still walking the earth back then weren't they?

Yeah, I'll say that's an upgrade.

Well, if IB doesn't provide an OC delta to 5GHz I might just grab a 2600K/2700K for cheap and leave it at that until Haswell. What I have is ridiculous anyway. Even standing pat isn't out of the question. A bigger SSD instead could work...

I agree with Larry, AMD even delivered hexacore to the desktop. At others alluded, I don't think Intel's that motivated to do so.

 

[frostedflakes]

Intel didn't segment their sockets like that back then, but I'd consider Q6600 to be enthusiast, I think they were like $600 when they were introduced (although didn't they drop to $300-400 pretty quickly?). For that price you can get a 6-core SB-E right now and maybe an 8-core IB-E later this year (probably wishful thinking, but who knows).

It's also pretty incredible how much Intel has improved performance over the years without adding more cores. Here's the Q6600 quad core vs i3-2100 dual core w/HT, for example. i3-2100 obviously slaughters it in single/lightly threaded stuff and surprisingly even manages to beat it (sometimes by pretty significant margins) in most heavily threaded tasks as well. HyperThreading, IPC improvements, and new instruction sets have allowed Intel to increase performance significantly without even needing to add more cores.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=289

 

[tynopik]

That's really so sad. Intel introduced desktop quad-core CPUs at 65nm in 2007. Surely, by 22nm and 2012, it might be possible to squeeze another couple of cores in, don't you think?

onboard graphics

 

[TidusZ]

Why would anyone complain about onboard graphics on processors? I know when I've spent over $2000 on my gaming pc and $350 on a processor its nice to be able to save a few hundred on a videocard. I mean who plays at higher than 800x600 anyway.

Wait...

 

[Puppies04]

Why would anyone complain about onboard graphics on processors? I know when I've spent over $2000 on my gaming pc and $350 on a processor its nice to be able to save a few hundred on a videocard. I mean who plays at higher than 800x600 anyway.

Wait...

Thanks, now I need to wipe the sarcasm off my screen

 

[krumme]

Why wouldn't it be? Most Tocks are designed to work on the mature process.

Anand told the next Atom was designed for tri gate. From what i understand, using the flexibility of power requirement requires a completely new way of designing the cpu, and as such, for a full implementation, require a new ground up design. I dont know if Haswell is such a cpu?

If fully implemented both the new Atom and Haswell could give us some radical new perf/power performance. Hopefully Intel can build gfx. driver development until then, i think it got their full attention and they are working like mad getting there.

But when is a Intel cpu a success?

- looking at the Intel preview at Anand, you really have to use your interpretation skill. Check the recent Atom 32nm preview. The 32nm is factual a complete failure. Its broken on the gfx side, its expensive for what it offers and its got nearly no presence/future on the market. Go check that compared to Anands preview, one should think the real cpu is a different one from the one Anand is talking about. I know this is a personal interpretation, and how critical you prefer your view, and Anand is perhaps not the most agressive person in the world, but i would prefer just a little bit more critical approach to the Intel previews, and towards the review of Intel products. I think Anandtech.com have the power to such a stance, knowing taking a more critical position is a difficult dilemma.

 

[Don Karnage]

Well..it was funny till it lasted.

But hey..on a more serious note...Is there anything to suggest a possible six-core LGA1155 cpu? It would be a very attractive upgrade to SB users.

Also about Supported DRAM voltage. Is it 1.5V/1.65V tops?

And piss off every LGA 2011 owner? 4 cores max even with Haswell on Mainstream even tho i wouldn't have an issue with 6 cores on 1155 if they priced it at 599.99 just like the 3930K

 

[filouk]

Hello everyone. Very nice thread, where, as I can see, you talk about processors, but also psychology... and philosophy ! :awe:

I currently have a C2D E8200 and I considered buying a SB-E but finally I decided to wait for IB-E, and I'm attentive to any news regarding Haswell... as well.

I really hope there will be an 8-core IB-E !!! I know it's not reasonable and some people will judge me and have fun doing so (life is great) because I only own a 1080p monitor, but I have an HD camcorder you see... and, ok, it's not really my fault, it's actually my adventurous spirit that's asking for it ()

 

[blckgrffn]

And piss off every LGA 2011 owner? 4 cores max even with Haswell on Mainstream even tho i wouldn't have an issue with 6 cores on 1155 if they priced it at 599.99 just like the 3930K

hah, well, they aren't your friends, are they?

I would expect that hexacore would be really reasonable for Haswell. They do have to continue to compete against themselves, after all, and that would be an easy and effective way to place it above IVB.

Given that the enthusiast space will have had hexacore on Intel for two generations and ~4 years, moving it down to the mainstream space would be reasonable.

I would expect that AMD is going to go for even higher thread counts in the future, so we'll probably continue to see Intel increase core counts in the 2S server space, meaning higher core counts the IVB-E/Haswell-E socket. The pressure AMD exerts may be small, but there is some there.

In the longer term, SB-E seems like a dubious investment (ie, it won't outpace mainstream for long), but buying on the bleeding edge usually is.

As always, that's just my take. 4C on Haswell would be a major disappointment for me

 

[Arachnotronic]

hah, well, they aren't your friends, are they?

I would expect that hexacore would be really reasonable for Haswell. They do have to continue to compete against themselves, after all, and that would be an easy and effective way to place it above IVB.

Given that the enthusiast space will have had hexacore on Intel for two generations and ~4 years, moving it down to the mainstream space would be reasonable.

I would expect that AMD is going to go for even higher thread counts in the future, so we'll probably continue to see Intel increase core counts in the 2S server space, meaning higher core counts the IVB-E/Haswell-E socket. The pressure AMD exerts may be small, but there is some there.

In the longer term, SB-E seems like a dubious investment (ie, it won't outpace mainstream for long), but buying on the bleeding edge usually is.

As always, that's just my take. 4C on Haswell would be a major disappointment for me

I am sorry to tell you that HSW will actually only go to 4C/8T on the mainstream platform.