Anandtech member murders 2, commits suicide in Aliso Viejo

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy
People sure weren't nice to him here...
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1540994&enterthread=y&arctab=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1542174&enterthread=y&arctab=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1649047&enterthread=y&arctab=y

What I see in those posts is someone who doesn't 'get' the atot sub-culture, his posts screamed "noob". The responses he received make me feel a bit sick. People were nasty to him. You certainly don't see any great AT "community" step in to help him out. People with Asperger's are sort of destined to a lifetime of "noob-ness" when it comes to social interactions, they must pay the price for that I guess in rejection and ridicule.

its not that nasty. its a question of how seriously you take things online. most NORMAL people know not to take much of online stuff seriously. just look at how your email gets spammed with all sorts of bogusness after all, let alone all the ridiculous sites out there. its nothing personal.

 

[eflat]

On Oct. 19, he asked for references to a mental hospital, saying that he needed counseling and social skills training. He also said he had no friends. He wrote that he wished he had some, emphasizing it with 75 exclamation points.

 

[NoToRiOuS1]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
His light it off :brokenheart:

RIP

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: faboloso112

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
His light it off :brokenheart:

RIP

It's weird to think his anandtech account will just sit there on the server, untouched, unchanging.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: CitizenDoug

On Oct. 19, he asked for references to a mental hospital, saying that he needed counseling and social skills training. He also said he had no friends. He wrote that he wished he had some, emphasizing it with 75 exclamation points.

it is terribly sad

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy
People sure weren't nice to him here...
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1540994&enterthread=y&arctab=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1542174&enterthread=y&arctab=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1649047&enterthread=y&arctab=y

What I see in those posts is someone who doesn't 'get' the atot sub-culture, his posts screamed "noob". The responses he received make me feel a bit sick. People were nasty to him. You certainly don't see any great AT "community" step in to help him out. People with Asperger's are sort of destined to a lifetime of "noob-ness" when it comes to social interactions, they must pay the price for that I guess in rejection and ridicule.

its not that nasty. its a question of how seriously you take things online. most NORMAL people know not to take much of online stuff seriously. just look at how your email gets spammed with all sorts of bogusness after all, let alone all the ridiculous sites out there. its nothing personal.

if those exchanges are representative of his social interactions in general, I can imagine how he might have become depressed or angry

 

[MegaWorks]

I don't know what to say I'm speechless.

 

[Nazgul11]

Wow I really don't know what to say either.

 

[IAmSPOLI]

I read like 4 of the pages in this thread. I read the articles, and I read some of his posts.

The parents weren't home. You know what. Pardon my french...

It's the parent's ****** fault. It always is. I don't care what anyone says. His internet should have been monitored, and his parents probably made his situation worse.

It always seems like the right thing to do when your parents don't even know who you are. So if you are a parent, you are the only one who can make the difference between your kid not killing him/herself, and commiting suicide.

Don't be a ****** douschbag, and thwart your responsibilities with money.

Money is the root of all evil.

 

[TNM93]

My sympathies go out to this tormented individual and his victims.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Future Shock
Your statement "Everyone who commits murder is a cold blooded murder" is obviously not true - otherwise we would not need the modifier "cold blooded" in the sentatance. The fact that it needs to be said at all belies that your statement is false - simple grammar tripped you up. Moreover, "Cold blooded", as in murder, is defined by MerriamWebster as
" 1 a : done or acting without consideration, compunction, or clemency <cold-blooded murder> b : MATTER-OF-FACT, EMOTIONLESS <a cold-blooded assessment>". The one thing that a mentally unstable person is NOT is emotionless - in fact emotions are what is driving him/her to commit the act. It is the exact opposite of "cold blooded" - it is a hot-blooded rage. Examples of cold blooded killers are drug dealers who can walk up to the competition on the street corner, blow them away, and turn around and walk slowly away without even getting their heartrate up. Since most murderers DO indeed get emotional about their crimes, we can safely return to your opening sentance and see it for what it is - a misnomer at best.

I don't worry much about my own mental workings - I've been through enough to know that there is little I can't take. That's one of the chief advantages of advancing years...having an experience base to draw upon, and knowing yourself. I'm still here, so Q.E.D...

And Vic, when did you recieve your Phd in Psychology? I didn't know you were educated enough to contradict 98% of the medical world and declare that their is no normal mental condition. That's in Psych 101 at the college level...they define it, talk about it's statistical significance (the well-known Normal Curve), and how it is measured in populations. Frankly, as you have no education in the field, or basis for your assertion, I have nothing to respond to. Saying that there is no such thing as a normal mental state only sounds good in a Woody Allen movie - but that's a MOVIE Vic, not real science...

Future Shock

When all else fails, resort to splitting hairs, talking points completely different from my argument (but conveniently taken out of context from my argument), and personal attacks. Nice work. :roll:

There is something very wrong with people like yourself, those who are always more interested in looking right than being right.

 

[Rolune]

First off.. Loooooong time reader. super rare poster..

Couple things that proabaly should be said about Asperger's..

You are Born with Asperger's... it's not some disease you get..
There is NO medication for it(think of autism.. downs syndrom)
I have it. and can vouch that anti-depressents DON'T work.. they do squat.. it sucks.(hence the reason he stoped taking the meds and wanted a new doctor[MOST likely])

I've had it for 20 years before I was diagnosed(I'm 21 now).. but was only diagnosed after having a near complete mental break down where everything just shut off..(I may have an extreme case I dunno.. but I was able to hide it from myself and everyone around me for 20 years..

anyways.. Asperger's is real.
It can be, like someone said before "To be shy and suffer from this condition would be so crippling.", emotionally mentally and physically crippling...

I can completely understand where this guy comes from. Although killing and suicide are kinda extreme.. he lived in HELL.. and yes it can at times be literal Hell in this life when everything you do. try to do. even think of doing. fails.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone with Asperger's.
You are a perfectionist.
You want to do something. you plan to do it.. but it doesn't get done. or you forget about it.. then you fall in on yourself for failing.
You are an insanely deep thinker. you think about everything and anything. 95% of the time you'll never end up saying the stuff you think about.
You think of ways to communicate 100,000 over and maybe say 2 words when responding to a question then go on months ahead thinking of ways you could have better responed to the question...
Everyone thinks your rude. when your just trying to talk normally to someone.. or try to be in the "in" crowd..
You can't comprehend sarcasm or the need for it.. why people say countless number of things they don't mean..
You want to do something but you can't because you don't know how, or contrastly you want to do something. you do it and amazingly excell at it.
You hyperfocus on things so much you ignore everything around you....

I could go on and on.. but I've pretty much said what I wanted... Hope you all can understand better.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: faboloso112

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
His light it off :brokenheart:

RIP

It's weird to think his anandtech account will just sit there on the server, untouched, unchanging.

so what? that is the condition of a lot of unused accounts.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: IAmSPOLI
It's the parent's ****** fault. It always is. I don't care what anyone says. His internet should have been monitored, and his parents probably made his situation worse.

At what age do we stop blaming the parents and start blaming the individual?

 

[Matth3wJL]

sad

 

[MrYogi]

This is very sad

 

[orion23]

I hate idiots that cannot kill themselves without hurting others.
What a waste of lives!

 

[foodfightr]

wow...

 

[eXx08]

He last visited here on my birthday

 

[sandorski]

Tragic all around.

 

[Regs]

I'm sure he was emotionally disturbed long before he got on the forum. Someone should of put him into consoling.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Future Shock
And you still haven't answered MY post : he was on his treatment, wasn't he? hehehe...

FS

You didn't read enough of that other forum. He hated his doctor and was skipping his meds.
Hehehe... :roll:

Everyone who commits murder is a cold blooded murderer. A thing is always equal to itself. You really should pay attention to your own logic. Motive is irrelevant. That the murderer is insane and/or has a mental condition is a given. No sane person would murder. There is no difference. Once the murderer takes innocent life, we as a civilization can no longer allow ourselves the luxury of compassion, lest we encourage more. And sorry, I see you as having the fear, as I feel none. I see that you as having the fear of "what if it was me?" "What if I slipped my clutches?" Good. Hold that thought and maybe you never will.

A side note about mental conditions... those are quite the fallacy in themselves. That someone has a mental condition that needs treatment assumes that there is such a condition known as normal. Kindly prove that exists, as I say it doesn't.

So you don't believe in mental disorders

I know many an intelligent, qualified person who would school you on this, but this is ATOT and I've wasted enough time on you.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Do I get bonus points for fidning out this guy posted at something aweful inquiring about where to get shotgun ammo?

Not sure how accurate this is:
Due to adult links of the site, here is the OP without link:

I have a problem. I live in orange county and am trying to buy hevi-shot buckshot, or just winchester if they dont have it. Im 19 Year old And Every shop I go to That has it (grants guns, Saddleback gun store,Yeti gunsmith) Claims its a waste of money and birdshot is better for personal defence.They always ask me why I want to buy hevi shot for my remington 870 home defense,Like im buying some Armour piercing bullets or something.
Shesh!
Is there something against buckshot in the shotgun world, To me bird shot is like less than lethal, you use it if you want your attacked to run around after you shot him, If i have people like last halloween, Bringing out a rifle and shotting my garage and my dads leg (broke the bone and everything) I dont think birdshot will cut it.
Basically IM asking
1. Is birdshot ok for defence
2. Any orange county shop that you know doesnt give you a mouth if you try to buy hevi shot buckshot.
3.Why is buckshot like the new ak-47 barrel, its taboo.

Im currently at work atm, And dont think I could get my dad to show his legs on the internet...So no pics,sorry.

-------------

He goes on to talk about lethality and what it takes to kill.

It would be something awful for me to tell you what forum this was in.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Rolune
I've had it for 20 years before I was diagnosed(I'm 21 now).. but was only diagnosed after having a near complete mental break down where everything just shut off..(I may have an extreme case I dunno.. but I was able to hide it from myself and everyone around me for 20 years..

anyways.. Asperger's is real.
It can be, like someone said before "To be shy and suffer from this condition would be so crippling.", emotionally mentally and physically crippling...

I can completely understand where this guy comes from. Although killing and suicide are kinda extreme.. he lived in HELL.. and yes it can at times be literal Hell in this life when everything you do. try to do. even think of doing. fails.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone with Asperger's.
You are a perfectionist.
You want to do something. you plan to do it.. but it doesn't get done. or you forget about it.. then you fall in on yourself for failing.
You are an insanely deep thinker. you think about everything and anything. 95% of the time you'll never end up saying the stuff you think about.
You think of ways to communicate 100,000 over and maybe say 2 words when responding to a question then go on months ahead thinking of ways you could have better responed to the question...
Everyone thinks your rude. when your just trying to talk normally to someone.. or try to be in the "in" crowd..
You can't comprehend sarcasm or the need for it.. why people say countless number of things they don't mean..
You want to do something but you can't because you don't know how, or contrastly you want to do something. you do it and amazingly excell at it.
You hyperfocus on things so much you ignore everything around you....

I could go on and on.. but I've pretty much said what I wanted... Hope you all can understand better.

Very good list there, and a good description.
Some people just don't understand how anyone could exist in a state like that, like it's not even possible. Just as someone with Aspergers might not know how someone can just be so carefree about life. I hear the phrase "lighten up" more than I'd like. It's not like there's a "lighten up" switch in my head that I just flick. No easier than telling someone with severe ADHD who's just done two lines of cocaine followed by a 20oz Mountain Dew to sit perfectly still for 5 minutes. Just ain't gonna happen.

Also of note - unusual reactions to common stimuli. When I was a baby, if any water got on my face during a bath, and I mean like just a drop or two, I'd start screaming like it was acid eating through my face. Even today, I still don't like water, hair, or anything on my face.
Sound too, I can hear sounds that a lot of people don't notice - either they can't hear them, or it just isn't a concern. I'll notice when a fan is dying long before it seizes up, or when something is a little bit loose, or certain high frequencies. And I seem to be more sensitive to background noises than most people. Music playing in an adjacent room, I tune into it so easily, and it just becomes all I can think of, whereas someone else doesn't really even notice it.

Edit: And might I say, on the subject of the feeling of failing, and of living in hell.....well, it will get to a person very quickly when, in their mind, they taste failure several times a day, every, single, day. It's painful to live like that and know no other way.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So you don't believe in mental disorders

I know many intelligent, qualified person who would school you on this, but this is ATOT and I've wasted enough time on you.

:roll:

I did not say that. You (like Future Shock) are taking my comments out of context. What I said is that I do not believe that mental disorders are an excuse to commit murder. You might feel sorry for that "poor, suffering" murderer, but I think of the screams of his victims before he shot them.

And if you feel like you've wasted enough time on me, then go back to pining over the fate of the poor and the sick from your position of privilege. Remember, "you care a lot."