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MPiland

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That's probably because of the 256-bit divider.

But that's nothing compared to what Haswell will bring us. Twice the throughput for every SIMD instruction, and 8x parallel memory access!

Right?! Problem is, I don't have time to wait another year and a half. And when it is released, I'll probably cry in a corner because my mobo isn't compatible which means dumping more money, but I'll probably just hold off till the next thing after Haswell. I think it's dumb as shit they're phasing out the 1155 socket after making a new 1155 chip. But, it's not my company, so what do I know?
 

exar333

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]Not to be argumentative, but couldn't you just look at a SB @ ~4.5-4.7 ghz, subtract ~10% power[/B] and be pretty confident in the numbers?

It doesn't seem like it really changes the SB-E vs SB/IVB equation much, does it?

If there was a six core IVB, then we'd be talking about some excitement (on my part)




Yes, that does seem to be a rather intriguing finding... I'd be good with that for 24/7 clocks and I'd take the big power savings over the 2600k as well. I think I'll leave the 2600k in its box until I see the MC deal on the 3770k deal.

I don't think it is that simple. If 8-10C parts for IB-E are released, getting that many cores at a decent OC, but keeping power/heat controllable will be key. For many parallel applications, 8-10C @ 4.2ghz would be >>>>>>4C @ 5.0ghz+.

If IB-E allows a good under-volt + overclock, it could be awesome. Predicting based on IB is not that straight-forward though IMHO. There were a lot of differences between SB and SB-E. Add into the fact that IB-E will have a much larger die (Cache especially) and it could get interesting.
 

toriados

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I am happy with 4.5GHz as I didn't want a chip that would practically be dead in a matter of months and having high temps for the sake of higher speed is not my concern as the heat has to go somewhere and that somewhere is my room which will be a furnace and I am not comfortable with that. Unless you're willing to supply me with a dozen or so spare IB processors and an air conditioner, I'll just be happy with what I can get with it.


I don't think I ever tried to convince someone with SB to upgrade to IB before. I've always said to upgrade every other generation, not every generation.

I am with you there unless you have boat loads of cash you dont know what to do with best to sit this round out. "assuming your not still rocking the athlon XP 2400+ D:"

Yeah I think I will wait for Haswell or later. Just cant justify the loss to sell my rig for a mere slight incremental upgrade.
 

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I don't think it is that simple. If 8-10C parts for IB-E are released, getting that many cores at a decent OC, but keeping power/heat controllable will be key. For many parallel applications, 8-10C @ 4.2ghz would be >>>>>>4C @ 5.0ghz+.

If IB-E allows a good under-volt + overclock, it could be awesome. Predicting based on IB is not that straight-forward though IMHO. There were a lot of differences between SB and SB-E. Add into the fact that IB-E will have a much larger die (Cache especially) and it could get interesting.

Sorry, I just misunderstood your post! I thought you were saying 8-10 degrees celcius, hence my confusion. Sorry!

A larger die (more cache) could certainly assist with cooling the chip.

I agree in that aspect, although I am hoping that a well timed Haswell-E is gifted to us rather than a late IVB-E
 

tornadog

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any point upgrading from an i7 950? Primary functions gaming and 1080p movie watching
 

SetiroN

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The reviews are for 3770k. I'm curious though as far as price to performance, how the 3570k stacks up against the 2600k and 2500k.
Some reviews do have the 3570K.

I fail to understand why reviewers don't emulate processors.
I mean really? You want a retail 2700K to provide numbers when you have a 2600? Can't you just lower the frequency, disable HT and give us precisely what we can expect from the i5? :\
 

Lonbjerg

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What the hell does crapdozer have to do with anything? Yeah I get your stupid passive aggressive comment pal maybe you should go to some other website that is about conspiracy theories, anyway, I expected a better overclock considering its a smaller node and an improved process, this has been consistently happening for the past 5 years and has come to an end.

The IPC increase is miniscule and there is no reason for me to upgrade my 2600k.

You sound very negative, but that is your problem.

You post only looked at the Mhz..which tells no story.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/7
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/23/intel_ivy_bridge_processor_ipc_overclocking_review/4
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_5.html#sect1

That one even has this tidbit (for posters claming defeat to SB):
Take note that the Ivy Bridge CPUs look good at any load and seem to have no weak spots in comparison with the Sandy Bridge series. Well, where could such weak spots spring from? Their execution cores, memory controller and cache memory duplicate the Sandy Bridge microarchitecture with but minor optimizations which are reflected in the performance charts.

The benchmarks are there, focusing on one minor metric is bad.
But glad to see perf/watt is dead now...or?
 

BD231

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One of the reviews listed (not sure which it was) said IB ran better with 3DS Max and Maya which are multi-threaded

A 3 to 5 % performance difference is nothing to talk about and certainly doesn't create a 200-300mhz performance gap. Not speaking down on Ivy, just the false information Ivy owners are spreading.
 

MPiland

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A 3 to 5 % performance difference is nothing to talk about and certainly doesn't create a 200-300mhz performance gap. Not speaking down on Ivy, just the false information Ivy owners are spreading.

I'm not saying it's anything to write home about if you're already running a SB chip. But, your statment saying that video encoding is 30% slower is false (see: http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-3770k-and-3750-review-with-z77/17). And this shows that a 4.5 IB is pretty much on par with a 4.7 SB, so there's the 200 mhz difference you were talking about: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-9.html and this is with multi-threaded applications. Here's another one running 3DS Max and Blender: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_7.html#sect0. More video manipulation and raytrace rendering: http://pcper.com/reviews/Processors...vy-Bridge-Processor-Review/OpenCL-Performance. Again, I'm not saying this is a major upgrade to SB, but to discredit altogether isn't accurate either. It's still a decent chip and for those of us w/o SB or even one generation behind that, this is good upgrade. I'll be happy with a 4.5 OC.
 
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exar333

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Think back to Gulftown. There was even less performance gains vs. Nehalem. BUT, power consumption was better at the same speed.

IB gives more mhz per SKU, less power consumption (at load), and is cheaper. Win/win/win.

Is it a homerun? No. But who expected it to be? Hopefully the 3D xtors will 'teeth' on IB and be ready for prime-time with Haswel. IB is only 160mm2 which gives a LOT of room to grow for both cores and GPU power. Can't wait!
 

badb0y

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I'm passing on this one for now unless Microcenter has some crazy deals going.
 

Kenmitch

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I'm passing on this one for now unless Microcenter has some crazy deals going.

I always get my bundles at microcenter. With the everyday low price on cpu's combined with decent MB prices - the bundle discount it's a no brainer....Translates to buy, play around with it, flip it on craigslist for little loss of $'s or a slight profit.

Microcenter will come thru with a too good to pass up deal most likely. I see no reason why they'd choose not to this go around.

Nice thing about Ivy Bridge that nobody has brought up yet is it's not gonna take a high end expensive motherboard to hit the thermal wall
 

BD231

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I'm not saying it's anything to write home about if you're already running a SB chip. But, your statment saying that video encoding is 30% slower is false (see: http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-3770k-and-3750-review-with-z77/17). And this shows that a 4.5 IB is pretty much on par with a 4.7 SB, so there's the 200 mhz difference you were talking about: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-9.html and this is with multi-threaded applications. Here's another one running 3DS Max and Blender: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_7.html#sect0. More video manipulation and raytrace rendering: http://pcper.com/reviews/Processors...vy-Bridge-Processor-Review/OpenCL-Performance. Again, I'm not saying this is a major upgrade to SB, but to discredit altogether isn't accurate either. It's still a decent chip and for those of us w/o SB or even one generation behind that, this is good upgrade. I'll be happy with a 4.5 OC.

Overall it's 0% faster when you take headroom into consideration. According to these transcode #'s that don't use GPU assist like the bench's you provided, a 4.5ghz Ivy is not comparable to a 4.7ghz/4.8ghz Sandy.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/ivy-bridge-vs-sandy-bridge--4.8ghz-quad-core-cpu-showdown/15637.html

I don't have an IGP so I'm just comparing processor to processor. If it's IGP you're after enjoy the complete lack of post processing .
 

Iketh

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For the sake of advancement I do hope you get 5ghz. Don's Ivy gets outperformed by identical clocked Sandie's in some benches on this board, I'll take those results over a questionable 5.2ghz overclock. Lord only knows how many errors you're spitting out at those speeds.

A 4.5ghz Ivy is *NOT* equal to a 4.8ghz Sandy in multi-threaded tasks. Its 30% slower video encoding. Clearly in apps that count it's no faster.

Don's Ivy is NOT hyperthreaded... come on people
 

Zucker2k

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Except it didn't? 5.5ghz SB = 10.8 cinebench, 3770k = 9.3

They didn't even run the same tests or testbed on both CPU's.
Updated link. I quoted the 'losing' bencher. Seems like not all results are up there. You're right though.

Fugger matched my or exceeded my speeds with less cooling. Its no joke, Ivy Bridge beat my Sandy Bridge at everything overclocked.
 
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